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post #91 of 745 Old 04-09-2010, 03:48 PM
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Any update?

EDIT: While trying to find info on HX300G, I ran into Samsung again and it appears to be closing on the release as well..

http://beamershop24.net/samsung-beam...ampaign=idealo

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Thanks for the "heads-up" on this new Samsung pj, klas...
So, it appears that, as of now, customers looking to buy a LED-driven projector with decent lumen output/ performance/ price will have three choices, the Casio LED/laser/color wheel hybrid, the Samsung 3LCD and the LG HX300G, which uses a DMD chip.
In my case, the Casio is out of contention due to that weird combo mentioned above - i am certainly staying away from any pj that uses color wheels, which are notorious for becoming increasingly noisier and prone to failure after some time - while the Samsung, although very interesting due to its incredible lumen output (1000 lumens !? How did Samsung manage such feat while using LEDs for illumination ? Do these Samsung pjs also use LED chipsets from PhlatLight ? ), which instead of a DMD chip uses what appears to be a trio of SVGA LCDS tied in to R/G/B LEDs; I wonder if its optical path is sealed to avoid dust build-up on the LCD chips,one of the technologie's main source of complaints, and also how good is its three panel alignment ?
Hmm.....
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The samsungs lamp life is stated at 2500, can anybody confirm this?
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Measured output, in one Asian review linked in one of the threads here a couple of weeks ago, was a maximum of 800 lumens, good for LEDs, but not unbelievable. 1000 lumens is still too much of a stretch.
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...... - while the Samsung, although very interesting due to its incredible lumen output (1000 lumens !? How did Samsung manage such feat while using LEDs for illumination ? Do these Samsung pjs also use LED chipsets from PhlatLight ? ), which instead of a DMD chip uses what appears to be a trio of SVGA LCDS tied in to R/G/B LEDs; I wonder if its optical path is sealed to avoid dust build-up on the LCD chips,one of the technologie's main source of complaints, and also how good is its three panel alignment ?
Hmm.....

I've posted several times the Samsung is using the PhlatLight LED PT-120 (or 4:3 version, anyway) so I don't know why you're still refusing to believe this and acting surprised?

http://www.luminus.com/content1570

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1238658

I can't see the Samsung as being acceptable for HT with a 500:1 on/off.
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I've posted several times the Samsung is using the PhlatLight LED PT-120 (or 4:3 version, anyway) so I don't know why you're still refusing to believe this and acting surprised?

http://www.luminus.com/content1570

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1238658

I can't see the Samsung as being acceptable for HT with a 500:1 on/off.

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I am not questioning the fact that the Samsung may or may not be using the PT-121 chipset from Luminus Devices; The main thrust of my posting was how did Samsung manage to get such incredible output from this LED chipset when other manufacturers currently using the very/very similar PT-120 chipset on their pjs are specifying 650 lumens output, uncalibrated...
BTW, on pages 2 and 3 of this thread you stated that the LG HX300G would be using the PT-54 chipset, and now you provided us with a press release link from the company specifying that it employs the PT-121 chipset...Hmm...
This is the first time i've seen a press release from the company stating that the HX300G will be using the PT-121, and since we know that it puts out 300 lumens, again, how did Samsung manage to increase its pj lumen output by a factor of three, when both pjs use the same LED illumination source ?
Is it an inherent advantage of LCD panels vs. DMD chips ? Is it the optics on the Samsung ? Is it the internal layout and the light path ? That's all...
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I am not questioning the fact that the Samsung may or may not be using the PT-121 chipset from Luminus Devices; The main thrust of my posting was how did Samsung manage to get such incredible output from this LED chipset when other manufacturers currently using the very/very similar PT-120 chipset on their pjs are specifying 650 lumens output, uncalibrated...
BTW, on pages 2 and 3 of this thread you stated that the LG HX300G would be using the PT-54 chipset, and now you provided us with a press release link from the company specifying that it employs the PT-121 chipset...Hmm...
This is the first time i've seen a press release from the company stating that the HX300G will be using the PT-121, and since we know that it puts out 300 lumens, again, how did Samsung manage to increase its pj lumen output by a factor of three, when both pjs use the same LED illumination source ?
Is it an inherent advantage of LCD panels vs. DMD chips ? Is it the optics on the Samsung ? Is it the internal layout and the light path ? That's all...
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Dude. I don't know what you're smoking. Samsung didn't increase anything by a factor of 3...they are using a completely different Phlatlight LED. Representatives from Both Luminus AND LG have emailed me stating the LG-HX300 uses PT54. As linked to above, the Samsung SP-F10M is using PT120/PT121.

~300 lumens for the LG-HX300___________PT54
~1000 lumens for the Samsung SP-F10M___PT120/PT121

Now, so far LG has been pretty close to spec on lumen ratings. Samsung, on the other hand appears to have spec'd at 1000 lumens, when the actual max output is closer to 850-850 lumens.

600-850 lumens for the Samsung is comparable to the $$$ Sim2 and Runco units when you conisder the Samsung is using a different panel technology AND the Samsung is a business projector and probably pretty far from HT calibration, allowing it to be brighter by sacrificing color accuracy.
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"Dude", i do apologize for confusing the press release from Luminus Devices + Samsung and thinking of the HX300G instead, but if you read the Cine4Home reviews on the Vivitek and SIM2 LED pjs, you'll notice that after calibration both units barely made it to 570 lumen output.
Considering that the Vivitek, the SIM2 and the Samsung LED pjs use very similar chipsets, PT-120 and PT-121, i would venture to say that even at 800~850 lumen output, the Samsung is providing way more "bang for the buck" from its implementation with the PT-120.
The question now is, how accurate are these specs from Samsung, even after calibration; I guess we'll have to wait for a reliable test report to find out exactly its true lumen output...
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MCaugusto, sorry if I overreacted. It is surprising the Samsung is so bright. I would think an LED LCD design would be dimmer than LED DLP. Regardless, if the contrast numbers are correct from that Chinese review, I can't imagine the Samsung being great for home theater with 138:1 Ansi and 408:1 on/off.
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What a disappointment... I was hoping the new Samsung would be "the ****". I guess not...

Also, whoever called LG dealership, could you ask them again? I mean it's April 20, 2010 and the thing is still not released.
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What a disappointment... I was hoping the new Samsung would be "the ****". I guess not...

Also, whoever called LG dealership, could you ask them again? I mean it's April 20, 2010 and the thing is still not released.

They must still be sorting out the bugs.
Buyer beware.
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I have checking for this release everyday still nothing

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I have checking for this release everyday still nothing

Well, according to this ad, the LG HX300 won't be back in stock until May 10th 2010. It says "Back in Stock" but of course since no one has even purchased it yet, it might as well say "In Stock May 10th 2010."

Also the price runs for about 769.99 GBP which translated to U.S. Dollars it's about $1,185.00 or so. Hope that helps.

Ad Link: http://projectorshop24.co.uk/lg-proj...ampaign=nextag
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It said Back in Stock 3/31/10 prior to that, so I wouldn't hold my breath

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Waited for the new LG LED projector. Lost my patience and ordered Epson Moviemate 60. I am happy with it for now. Casio hybrid ones seems good on specs. But, I can't justify its price (300$-500$ more )
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Hi Guys,

Any Idea when this thing is gonna be released in US? Any updates?

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According to this:

http://price.zol.com.cn/176/1760310.html

It's currently being released in china for 8900 yuan.
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that would be 1,304.12 USD, if it's similarly priced when released here in the US, it will deservedly gather dust on the shelves.
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that would be 1,304.12 USD, if it's similarly priced when released here in the US, it will deservedly gather dust on the shelves.

Good reason why wait for a 3D Ready model. Most likely it'll be the same price. And most likely it'll be out a few months later.
Those things just have a way of happening in the marketing $$$ world. If you catch my drift.
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Here's a review as of May 5th.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/lg_h...ble_review.htm

Looks like the MSRP is $800 in the US
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Here's a review as of May 5th.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/lg_h...ble_review.htm


Damn. Beaten. I wanted post this review when I saw it. =)


Is it really going to be $799 when it hits the U.S.? I was expecting less seeing as how the XJ-A230 is $899, does 720p, and has 2,000 lumens. At least it's priced comparatively against the XJ-A130.

Maybe I'm placing too much emphasis on resolution. Is WXGA loads better than XGA?
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What is expected availability date in US?

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Looks like the MSRP is $800 in the US

$800!!

Nice!
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Damn. Beaten. I wanted post this review when I saw it. =)


Is it really going to be $799 when it hits the U.S.? I was expecting less seeing as how the XJ-A230 is $899, does 720p, and has 2,000 lumens. At least it's priced comparatively against the XJ-A130.

Maybe I'm placing too much emphasis on resolution. Is WXGA loads better than XGA?

I feel the same way. The Casio XJ-A240 has 2X zoom (and its motorised), more lumens, better resolution, internal power supply, to name a few, yet the LG costs nearly the same. Users on the casio thread have seen the previous LG in action and much prefer the Casio image. Only the Casio wheel mechanism reliability might put someone off but otherwise the Casio looks a much better bet.
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I am not that surprised that the HX300G has a m.s.r.p. of $800, which is $50 more than my initial estimates.
About one month ago people here were already posting that pricing in Europe for the HX300G was around 750/770 euros and for the past few years most Asian electronic manufacturers have been setting pricing to similar amounts in either dollars or euros...
However, let's not despair : maybe here in the good ol' USA, "street pricing" might knock down about $100 or so off that list price.
On a side note, i am somewhat disappointed after reading the review and noticing that at its maximum output, the HX300G puts out 248 lumens, which i would describe as significantly less than the specified 300 lumens, a difference of 17% less lumen output.
Now i wonder what is the true lumen output of my HS-201, which is rated at 200 lumens; I have it calibrated and use only its "normal" LED mode instead of "presentation" mode, which offers the highest lumen output.
On the other hand, i am extremely satisfied with the amount of onscreen brightness i am achieving by combining my pj with a very high-gain 76" diagonal screen, so maybe that has been the (un-intensional) trick all along, mating these lower-lumen output LED projectors with high-gain screens ?
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Maybe I'm placing too much emphasis on resolution. Is WXGA loads better than XGA?


I don't think so... if it was 720p, i would buy one for 750 for playstation3... it would be nice.


But this xga stuff is no good
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What is the offset for this projector? I've been unable to find it in the available info.

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im freaking out, loved my hs201. i gotta get the 300 they just reviewed. my hs201 had pretty visible screen door, its nice to know there is virtually none on the hx300.
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the main reason why i was waiting for hd led projector is because of screen door effect from short range. i usually have a ratio of screen size/viewing distance of 1:1. so if the hs 300 really has no visible screen door despite the relatively low resolution, i will give it a shot, because i am very impressed by colors and contrast by lg leds every time. let them be over saturated ... i like the look of picture very much. and price estimately drops very fast as past has proved on previous models.
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Well, just with no visible screen door alone, the hx300 is worth a try...
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