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If you are going to CES take a look at the LG HX300G. Looks like this may be one of the first affordable 720p-ish LED projectors. Hopefully one of many!

* 0.55-inch DMD
* XGA resolution
* 300 ANSI-lumens
* Contrast ratio: 2,000:1
* Life time: 30,000 hrs (typical)
* HDMI 1.3, USB 2.0 input (HD DivX, File Viewer)
* Green Technology (does not utilize a Mercury containing CCFL lamp)
* Wireless FM Transmitter

http://www.i4u.com/article29773.html

The Samsung F10M (LED 1000 lms) is also on display at CES.

EDIT:

Not sure of the above resolution. The LG HS200 is 800x600 and also uses a .55" DMD. Maybe the XGA listed above is just a compatible input signal.

http://www.lge.com/uk/it-products/pr...s/LG-HS200.jsp

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UPDATE: 1024 x 768 confirmed by LG:

http://au.sys-con.com/node/1239497
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EDIT:

Not sure of the above resolution. The LG HS200 is 800x600 and also uses a .55" DMD. Maybe the XGA listed above is just a compatible input signal.

http://www.lge.com/uk/it-products/pr...s/LG-HS200.jsp

Could be, but from looking on projectorcentral.com it looks like this could be 1024x768. I looked for 800x600 projectors from LG on projectorcentral.com and they show .6" for the HS200, but also show .6" for some 1024x768 projectors.

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According to PC Magazine, "expected to be available late in the second quarter of 2010" and every description of the unit states XGA resolution, or 1024x768.
Texas Instruments does make a .55" DMD with a XGA resolution...
I don't know how the HX300G is rated at 300 lumens compared to 200 lumens for the HS201 when both models appear to use the same LED chipset from Luminus Devices, the PhlaLight PT-54; The next chipset on Luminus video chipset line is the PhlatLight PT-85, which is optimized for 16:9 native display chips.
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Yes! 300 Lumen this meant another chipset - PhlatLight PT-85!
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which is optimized for 16:9 native display chips


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xga resolution and 16:9 native chipset? something is wrong here i guess. if it will be 720p instead i urgently need a delorean and flux capacitor^^
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possible wxga (1280x800)
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I am assuming that the HDMI input is HDCP compatible.
The website shows 1080p capable input, but I am not so sure about HDCP.

Does anyone know for certain?
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xga resolution and 16:9 native chipset? something is wrong here i guess. if it will be 720p instead i urgently need a delorean and flux capacitor^^

Wondered about that too, but there are a TON of dedicated 4:3 meeting room setups. A search for pull down screens also shows a healthy line of 4:3 still selling across all brands. Seems XGA will be around for awhile yet.
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The LG HS201 is a SVGA projector (800x600 pixels DMD chip) that uses the PhlatLight PT-54 LED chipset for illumination, whereas the HX300G is a XGA projector (1024x768 pixels DMD chip), no questions about that.
What i am not sure is which PhlatLight chipset is used in the HX300G for the reasons i stated above, i.e., the PT-85 is optimized for 16:9 chips, be they DMD, LCOS, SXRD or LCD chips, so i doubt that LG would be using the PT-85 to illuminate a 4:3 native chip like the one used in the HX300G...
On a side note i am nothing short of AMAZED after seeing the calibrated image provided by the LG HS201 that i just purchased, and i am posting my opinions on the LG HS201 thread...
Regards >>> Marcos
P.S: It appears that the HX300G will be using the PhlatLight PT-121 chipset, which is a variant of the PT-120 that is currently being used in all of those LED illuminated front projectors that retail for over $13.000 !
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I agree with Marco, as an owner of the HS201 myself, I got the best for my buck with it.
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Does anybody know the ETA? Sometime later this year or soon?
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Does anybody know the ETA? Sometime later this year or soon?

I think the second quarter of the fiscal year runs from Jan 1st to March 31st 2010.
So if the post about a late second quarter release is right, then the LG HX300 should be released somtime in march of this year.

Is LG good with getting new things out on time ?
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I think that if you're in the market for one of these then sure, you can hold out until it's released, but if you already have the 201, i see very little reason to upgrade.
I don't think it will somehow make it perform good where it's lacking (picture quality) just because more brightness and resolution. And in my case, a severe case of lucky charms.
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I think that if you're in the market for one of these then sure, you can hold out until it's released, but if you already have the 201, i see very little reason to upgrade.
I don't think it will somehow make it perform good where it's lacking (picture quality) just because more brightness and resolution. And in my case, a severe case of lucky charms.

If the new projector will have "more brightness and resolution".
How can that not help with "picture quality" ?
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My guess on the price of LG HX300 is around 600USD. I am going to wait for the release of LG HX 300.
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If the new projector will have "more brightness and resolution".
How can that not help with "picture quality" ?

Won't change the rainbows, which in my experience are unbearable, won't change the video processor quality, won't change the contrast either.

So, like i said, if you already own a 201 i don't see much point in upgrading to this. If you don't, then sure, waiting for this one seems perfectly reasonable.
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Won't change the rainbows, which in my experience are unbearable, won't change the video processor quality, won't change the contrast either.

So, like i said, if you already own a 201 i don't see much point in upgrading to this. If you don't, then sure, waiting for this one seems perfectly reasonable.

Hope I don't sound like a fanboy or somthing because I don't even have a projector yet.

I was a little slow in getting your "lucky charms" joke but then I remembered you posted in the LG201 thread about having bad problems with rainbows with that projector.

But from reading and looking at pictures and video, I am struck by how deep,rich and colorful the picture on the HS201 seem to be.
Is that different than contrast ?
I guess you could have rich deep color and still have bad contrast.
It must be the great colors the HS201 is projecting makes it hard to see the bad contrast.
You could say, I just can't see the low contrast Forest through all the COLORFUL TREES...LOL
The projector has Monet colors but does not have Rembrandt contrast...

Monet colors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cl...Argenteuil.jpg

Rembrandt contrast : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Re..._of_Europa.jpg
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Will this work on a 100" screen?
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...the PJ I mean, not the thread.

For those of you who haven't gone looking too deeply for info, here is a shot of the back (original here, auto-translated from Turkish).



I'm moving in about a month, and am not entirely ashamed to say that every place I've looked at has been viewed with an eye for throw distance, offset, etc. I may end up getting a tripod or something; not terribly comfortable just setting the thing on my coffee table every time I want to use it.

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Edit: please review the attached PDF and tell me if I've a) missed anything, b) miscalculated, c) provided anything of value. Document revised to show linear relationship of 1.31 between old and new screen sizes (i.e. the HX 300G image can be 31% larger than the HS200 image while retaining the same foot-lamberts perceived brightness).

 

LG HS200 To LG HX300G Screen Size Conversion At Same Brightness.pdf 89.8759765625k . file
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yeah...I'm very excited to see what this thing can do.

Honestly I'm kind of pissed off that the resolution still sucks. Seriously...how hard was it to put in 720p?

I have a HS201 and I'm already thinking when to sell it and how much to ask for it. At the same time though...I'm so used to it. It makes 110" image on a 1.3gain screen that in a dark room is just a pleasure to watch.

Now I know that the whole brightness perception is on LOG scale as far as lumens go, but....when observing the the change from 150 to 200 I can't help it but to dream of what the image is going to be like.

Anyway...if any of you know when the thing finally comes out (actual date on Amazon and stuff), please share. I want to upgrade ASAP and not loose to much money from selling the hs200 too late.
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Can anyone who has gone from a 800*600 to 1024*768 Rez. projector tell me if it was a realy big impovment ?
I mean as far as watching movies in 16:9 not 4:3.
Will the jump from a Ls201 to a HX300 be a big step up ?
Will it be very close to a true HD image even though at 1024*768 it will be short of 1280*720 ?
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Well, think of it this way :
HS-201 : 480.000 pixels native
HS-201 : 360.000 pixels used for 16:9 material (excluding anamorphic content display)
HX-300G : 786.000 pixels native
HX-300G : 590.000 pixels used for 16:9 material (same caveat as above)
1280x720 display : 922.000 pixels native
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So, going from the HS-201 to the HX-300G would give you an extra 25% increase in pixel amount, which i would describe as a significant number; And let's not forget those extra 100 lumens spec'd for the HX-300G, which should make quite a difference when used with larger screens.
In fact, because of these two improvements, i expect the HX-300G to have a longer throw distance than the HS-201, thus allowing the use of screens up to 92" to 96" diagonal - as recommended by LG in the owner's manual
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I just received an email from Luminus confirming the PT-54 will be used again in the HX300.

The new Samsung SP-F10M however will be using the PT-121.
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Same chipset as the 201? Hmmm...
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I just received an email from Luminus confirming the PT-54 will be used again in the HX300.

The new Samsung SP-F10M however will be using the PT-121.

Is that the part of the projector used for light ? The LED's ?
Would that mean they are overclocking it to get more brightness ?

Thanks for the reply Marcos
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I just received an email from Luminus confirming the PT-54 will be used again in the HX300.

The new Samsung SP-F10M however will be using the PT-121.

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That doesn't make sense : how then was LG able to increase the lumen output of the HX300G by 100 lumens while still using the same PT-54 LED chipset as well as similar optics as the HS-201 ?
I would try to confirm that with someone at LG who'd fully informed on the subject, as this piece of information may be buried too deep in the spec sheet of the yet-to-be-released HX300G for a customer rep to be aware of...On the email from Luminus, did the rep describe separately which chipset is used in the HS-201 and which one is used in the HX300G ? Perhaps he confused one with the other ?
The LG 102 used the PT-39 LED chipset, the HS-201 uses the PT-54 LED chipset and the HX-300G will continue using the same chipset, when the PT-121 LED chipset is available for, i imagine, a little more ?
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Anyone heard of a price on this yet? I am almost definitely going to get it come May-June if it is under $800. I would guess that it'd be about as expensive as the HS200.
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I definitely hope its not any more 600 otherwise I ll get something else, its suppose to come in the beginning of March
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the 201 can't go 90"?
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the 201 can't go 90"?

Nope. Anything above 80" gets out-of-focus. Unless i am wrong, please tell me how. I tried adjusting the focus but it was maxed out already.
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