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Everyone says reference the HD350 thread for details. Do we know it's precisely the same projector?

We do, and it is.
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Since this projector lacks lens memory, does that mean that if you switch from a Cinemascope movie to a 16x9 film you need to manually zoom to accommodate the different aspect ratio?

You would either need to do that or use some form of IR or RS-232C control macro to do it for you. Bear in mind that if you use a 16x9 screen and you want full height with a 2.35:1 movie, you would have to lose some pic from the edges.
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Is an rs15 without frame interpolation exactly the same as an rs10?

It would almost seem to make more sense that the hd250 is an rs15 without frame interpolation rather than being an rs10. Since rs10 production has ceased long ago, it would seem rather difficult to restart production once again.

Just a wild guess.
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Is an rs15 without frame interpolation exactly the same as an rs10?

It would almost seem to make more sense that the hd250 is an rs15 without frame interpolation rather than being an rs10. Since rs10 production has ceased long ago, it would seem rather difficult to restart production once again.

As mentioned earlier, it is an RS10/HD350. Production was restarted.
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What was the price of the RS10 when it was first introduced?
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What was the price of the RS10 when it was first introduced?

MSRP according to http://www.projectorcentral.com/jvc_...s20_review.htm was $4,995. I'm going to assume that JVC knew that Epson was planning on entering the LCOS territory in a big way. JVC knew that it had to compete in Epson's expected price range, otherwise Epson would begin to steal huge swaths of market share b/c of the distribution channels and production capability. Just a WAG on my part. The question then become how much better is JVC's rebadged RS10/HD350 as opposed to the Epson at or near the same price point.

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What was the price of the RS10 when it was first introduced?

I believe the MSRP was $4995.
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We do, and it is.

At least I can assume we will have the latest firmware that was available for the RS-10(HD350).

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I guess we all will be re-reading the RS-10(HD350) thread in the over $3,000 forum.

Also I have my HTPC MyHD card connected to my current Mits HC6000 via VGA. I believe I can change this to component being this PJ does not have VGA. Will the PQ be any different?

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I went to Best Buy today to see the HD350 and I most say that it's a very nice pic. They didn't have the iris open all the way and the pic was still bright on a 126in gray screen. I just wanted to see if motion on the JVC would be a issue for me and watching Avatar it wasn't. I can't wait to see this thing on my 106in gray screen.

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Correct me if I am wrong, doesn't the 250 have the 120hz refresh rate whereas the 350 did not? When I first started building our theater room I had noticed that the 350 did not list that. To me that was a big difference between that and the 550. If the 250 has this feature, then should the motion appear even smoother than what you saw at Best Buy?
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Correct me if I am wrong, doesn't the 250 have the 120hz refresh rate whereas the 350 did not? When I first started building our theater room I had noticed that the 350 did not list that. To me that was a big difference between that and the 550. If the 250 has this feature, then should the motion appear even smoother than what you saw at Best Buy?

Gary can correct me if I'm wrong, but the 120hz refresh rate hasn't been listed in any of the HD250 documentation. Most panels do refresh at 120hz. I've only seen 120hz associated with the Clear Motion tech which isn't in the 250. My plan is disable 24p output on my blu-ray player, therefore eliminating the motion jutter found on the RS10 & RS20 when 24p material is viewed. However, that still leaves the question of whether the panels in the HD250 refresh at 120hz.

Gary, are do the panels in the HD250 refresh at 120hz?

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OK got the HD250 yesterday, my older Peerless projector mount did not work -- the spider arms were too short...so I ran to Lowe's and picked up some aluminum channel the same size at the Peerless arms, cut them to size in my shop, painted them to match the mount, drilled the holes and got the thing hung. Half of the picture was shining on my ceiling, could not read the menu...had to wait for the wife to get home to hold up some paper in front of the projector so I could read the menu and size the screen, focus, etc. After all of that PITA work, I got a great picture to watch the Notre Dame game today on. First observations (negatives) the fan is noisier than my old Sony LCD projector, the automatic lens cap is really loud when it opens and closes, the unit takes a little longer to start once powered on, manual is just OK, really puts out some heatand the pic is a little soft, -- could be my DirecTV signal on this one, using remote to adjust screen focus and shift is clunky, no numbers to tell you where you are at/no reference points. Now the (positives) great color, a LOT brighter pic than my aging Sony LCD, I have not noticed any motion blur, unit is heavy and seems well made, dual HDMI inputs, blacks are awesome, no issues with a decent amount of ambient light -- Steware Firehawk screen helps with this. I think I am really going to enjoy it!!!
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And I think the big question....technologies aside, how is this unit stacking up against the output from lesser projectors like, say, a Panny 4000 or an Epson UB...is the $500+ price premium worth it for a larger, heavier PJ.

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You would either need to do that or use some form of IR or RS-232C control macro to do it for you. Bear in mind that if you use a 16x9 screen and you want full height with a 2.35:1 movie, you would have to lose some pic from the edges.

Thanks, that was what I was thinking but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. If I went with the 16x9 screen, I'd never crop to lose picture, I'd instead be abandoning CIH and living with horizontal bars top and bottom (when watching Cinemascope).

If I used a remote controller over RS-232, would macros be able to precisely and repeatedly achieve the same zoom?
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I have one question...how does the new JVC 250 black levels compare to the epson 8500?? Which one has better blacks??
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I have one question...how does the new JVC 250 black levels compare to the epson 8500?? Which one has better blacks??

I may be dead wrong, but I think you might see slightly better blacks in predominantly dark scenes on the Epson due to its dynamic iris, but better pop and blacks on brighter scenes with the JVC due to its excellent native contrast. Or, you may just see better blacks on the JVC all around.

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I have one question...how does the new JVC 250 black levels compare to the epson 8500?? Which one has better blacks??

You can read all the reviews from Projector Central's to Widescreen Review's review and so forth. The calibrated on/off is pretty good. You have to remember that the Epsons have DIs so its not necessarily a apples to apples comparison. I'm not going to inject opinion here but from reading the reviews JVCs more than hold there with their native iris.

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I may be dead wrong, but I think you might see slightly better blacks in predominantly dark scenes on the Epson due to its dynamic iris, but better pop and blacks on brighter scenes with the JVC due to its excellent native contrast. Or, you may just see better blacks on the JVC all around.

Your last sentence and the second half of your first sentence is what I've seen repeated over and over in the reviews especially when comparisons are done.

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Hello all,

It is first time I posted here in years. Or anywhere really. I've been lurking though Just took the plunge and ordered the HD-250 from Daniel at AV science. He took the time to answer all my questions via phone. Thumbs up.

I can't wait to install my first projector and see how it compares to my now dinosaur D-ILA rear projection TV(61"). I had to take the wifey over to a home theatre store to see a projection system in action to get the nod. Its gonna be fun. I got a lot of wires to fish and some electrical to install so I gather it will take a few days to finish up. I am going to start on my holidays which is in a week. I may start a build thread and take pictures during the install as well. Thanks to all. So much knowledge here it made selecting a projector so easy and hard at the same time

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Hello all,

It is first time I posted here in years. Or anywhere really. I've been lurking though Just took the plunge and ordered the HD-250 from Daniel at AV science. He took the time to answer all my questions via phone. Thumbs up.

I can't wait to install my first projector and see how it compares to my now dinosaur D-ILA rear projection TV(61"). I had to take the wifey over to a home theatre store to see a projection system in action to get the nod. Its gonna be fun. I got a lot of wires to fish and some electrical to install so I gather it will take a few days to finish up. I am going to start on my holidays which is in a week. I may start a build thread and take pictures during the install as well. Thanks to all. So much knowledge here it made selecting a projector so easy and hard at the same time

I'm sure you'll be more than pleased with your purchase.

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As mentioned earlier, it is an RS10/HD350. Production was restarted.

Thanks Gary!
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Jason lived up to his fantastic reputation with all of his help selling the HD250 to me. I ordered last week, he calibrated it on Wed/Thurs, shipping Thursday by ground and it was here today. Today!

I had to pass by the box in my garage, play with the kids until nap time, before I could open the box. (That was part of my agreement with my wife.) I turned to getting it set up. Watched two minutes and then had to shut it down because we have guests for the night.

The great thing was that the guests wanted to see it. A couple of trailers later, and they were drooling over the setup.

The HD250 is smooth. I am coming from on old Panasonic AX100, so this is leagues better. From the solid feel of the projector to the beautiful image, the projector is astounding.

For the price, from AV Science, this is a fantastic deal. I've seen the AE3000 up close and read all of the reviews of the RS10/15/AE4000/8500, and this projector is the one to have price-wise to me.

My next step is to bend Jason's ear about setting up anamorphic...
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With panning and no motion blur it really indicates it may have 120hz. Would be really nice to know for sure.
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With panning and no motion blur it really indicates it may have 120hz. Would be really nice to know for sure.

Hopefully, Gary will chime in and provide us with a definitive answer.

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Hope to see your install pics, sSolar! A build thread would be great!

Chasliff, it's more cost (double) but I'm going to go the distance with CIH 2.35:1 anamorphic as well; flat screen, not curved. As of this moment I know nothing about a-lenses so please ask Jason about the appropriate options incl those from AV Science and the Panamorph FVX200 if you would.
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Got mine this morning, and coming from a Mits HD1000u this thing is like night and day.

One thing I noticed is that out of the box in Cinema mode 1 the colors are really saturated. No bleeding or anything but wow I'm not used to seeing colors like this. Is that normal?
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Got mine this morning, and coming from a Mits HD1000u this thing is like night and day.

One thing I noticed is that out of the box in Cinema mode 1 the colors are really saturated. No bleeding or anything but wow I'm not used to seeing colors like this. Is that normal?



This was the setting my friend calibrated for me. Hope it helps.
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This was the setting my friend calibrated for me. Hope it helps.

I checked it and it turns out that Cinema 1 already has Tint and Color set to -3. Natural is the same with those 2 set to 0. Cinema 2 is the same with color temperature at 5800K.

Looks like I'll wait 150-200 hours and calibrate as best I can with a calibration disc.
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