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Just heard about this in a local forum. No official announcements but the spec sheet is out. Looks like it may give the VPL-HW15 a run for its money...

It's like a baby RS15

List price is S$4999, which may result in US prices at or around US$3,000 so am not really sure if it belongs here or in the next bracket.





Looks like they dropped the dodgy frame interpolation...
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this is great news for those us looking to get away from LCD.

I've been inches away from picking up the older RS1 / RS2 and the prices for the RS15 / HD550 are still too expensive considering this model is coming out soon. The pricing on the RS15's has to start dropping soon.

I hope this is released in the next few weeks as Cedia approaches.


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Yeah, now let's move this thread to the $3,000+ MSRP forum where it belongs.

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Yeah, now let's move this thread to the $3,000+ MSRP forum where it belongs.

You have some inside information on the US MSRP of the projector that you'd like to share with the rest of the class?
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You have some inside information on the US MSRP of the projector that you'd like to share with the rest of the class?

You mean other than what the original poster posted? No. Do I think this new JVC with list for under $,3000. No.

So, my belief and the OP's post are in sync. :P

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Jason from AVS explicitly said that it is meant to compete with LCD projectors, and that suggests that it will sell for (not MSRP) below $3K. He can't quote yet, but will be able to soon.

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Jason from AVS explicitly said that it is meant to compete with LCD projectors, and that suggests that it will sell for (not MSRP) below $3K. He can't quote yet, but will be able to soon.

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Oh, I am not disagreeing here. But the forums are not segregated based on street price. They two digital projection forums are segregated based on MSRP in US Dollars. This is why I was teasing the OP.

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I never quite understood this delineation for projectors. You can discuss separates like Anthems and Classe in the same forum as the entry level Onkyo 508 that costs 1/10th of pricier models.

From my own personal experience, I had moved from an HD1/RS1 which costs me the same new as the RS35 of today to an AE3000 Panasonic and am looking to go back to the HD250. If anything, shifting the HD250 to the next bracket does potential buyers a disservice because street prices might be close to another product listing at US$2999 and the buyer would have overlooked the HD250 if he kept within this forum.

In any case, Singapore prices are usually higher than US. The AE4000 is about S$4000 list and it's only selling for US$1999?
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JVC UNVEILS ENTRY-LEVEL D-ILA HOME THEATER PROJECTOR

ATLANTA, September 23, 2010 – (Virtual Press Office) - JVC U.S.A. today introduced a low-cost home theater projector that for the first time provides advanced D-ILA technology at an entry-level price. The new projector, to be marketed as the DLA-HD250 by JVC Consumer and the DLA-HD250Pro by JVC Professional, is priced below $3,000 and delivers 25,000:1 native contrast ratio and 1,000 ANSI lumens brightness.

The DLA-HD250/250Pro features three 0.7-inch 1920x1080 D-ILA devices for a naturally rich, flicker-free picture with true blacks and extraordinary luminance detail. Combined with JVC’s wire-grid optical engine, the new projector provides outstanding native contrast – without a dynamic iris to artificially inflate contrast specifications. Plus, an advanced HQV Reon-VX video processor by Silicon Optix ensures excellent image reproduction with precision I/P conversion and scaling.

Other features include a high-performance 2x motorized zoom lens with auto dust cover, as well as on-screen, customizable gamma control and ultra-quiet (19dB) operation. While ideal for use in a dedicated home theater, the DLA-HD250/250Pro is also suitable for brighter environments, such as great rooms or bar and restaurant installations, thanks to its 1,000 lumens of brightness.

“JVC projectors have been widely acclaimed for their performance, but they’ve remained out of reach for home theater enthusiasts with a limited budget,” said Gary Klasmeier, product engineering manager, D-ILA Systems, JVC Professional Products. “With this new projector we bring D-ILA’s remarkable film-like image quality and impressive native contrast to an entirely new market segment.”

The DLA-HD250/250Pro will be available later this month for $2,995. It carries a two-year warranty.


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Wow, this really breaks new ground for JVC pricing wise. I wonder what a quote from Jason would look like?

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Looks like my hunch was right on the money
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Looks like my hunch was right on the money

And JVC elitists got disappointed
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and in better news, RS1 prices just got even LOWER
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If it only had lens memory (or at least the RS40/X3).
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If it only had lens memory (or at least the RS40/X3).


Yeah - this looks great, but the AE4000 is still the only option out there for a lot of us...

I like to watch video and listen to audio.
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Yeah - this looks great, but the AE4000 is still the only option out there for a lot of us...

No any longer. Epson 21000 for $3.3k MSRP has lens memory (including motorized shift).
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No any longer. Epson 21000 for $3.3k MSRP has lens memory (including motorized shift).

I'll wait to see what you can acually buy one for. That is quite a bit more that the AE4000 though.

I like to watch video and listen to audio.
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Engadget and others have mentioned the DLA-HD250 will able to be had at $3000 or less. The thread is in precisely the correct place (Dear Mr. 18628239)

So may we now begin discussing the quality of this potentially outstanding projector.

I think it reads as a great addition to the less costly PJs but will it really knock the AE4000 and others out of the ring for a grand more? Looking forward to finding out.
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And JVC elitists got disappointed

How so?

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Holy Black Levels Batman! The under 3K segment is getting a serious boost in tech this year. I know it's JVC marketing rhetoric but this REALLY was unattainable just a couple years ago. How can you not be happy with nearly any of these PJs releasing in the next couple weeks? So much PQ for the money, it's the perfect time to jump in.

I hope this means PJs are on the rise and will become more of a household norm.
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the DLA-HD250/250Pro is also suitable for brighter environments, such as great rooms or bar and restaurant installations, thanks to its 1,000 lumens of brightness.

I'm just about to jump into the PJ game for the first time, and am still trying to get my head around things. Is the above statement legit? I was under the impression that 1000 lumens would not be sufficient for situations with ambient light...

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I'm just about to jump into the PJ game for the first time, and am still trying to get my head around things. Is the above statement legit? I was under the impression that 1000 lumens would not be sufficient for situations with ambient light...

If you got ambient light then I would think a light cannon with mediocre black level performance would be better suited to your environment.

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I`m also looking to jump into the world of projectors real soon for the first time and JVC is one of several brands i`m looking into. A friend of mine here in Sweden have a DLA-HD100 (not sure what this model is named in US) and naturally i`ve had the chance to see it and i`m really impressed with the PQ it delivers. Also, last year i had the chance to see the HD950 in a demo room and it was one of the best pictures i`ve ever seen.

This new JVC model is just in the right price range for me so i`m really looking forward to see some more reviews and testing soon. One thing that comes to my mind right now is, how will this HD250 model stand in a comparison with the new Sony HW20 projector?
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The HD950 is the RS25, if I am remembering correctly. I don't know if the RS25 used the same panels as the RS35. I do know the RS35 panels are better than the RS20, though. Somehow, I am doubting the HD250 will contain the panels from the RS35 even though the new RS line is said to have a completely new panel set.

I say this because JVC would be putting a $3K product up against a $4500 product of equal performance. It would be nice to know what is actually inside of the HD250 and how it compares to in the RS15/25/35 line from last year.

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and in better news, RS1 prices just got even LOWER

Man.........bad time to put my RS1 up for sale!

I think this JVC (HD250) will be the projector to own in this price range, but time will tell.

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The JVC looked pretty good for the environment that it was in. I heard that the internals are either last generation or the generation before. I have a hard time believing it is two generations old. I think Jason mentioned that he would have these at a real competitive price. I would take this over a Panny any day considering the price difference isn't that great.

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I'm looking forward to learning more about the HD250. Hmm. Drop a new bulb into my Optoma HD70 or go with the HD250?
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Having old panels/tech would mean that it will suffer from the motion contouring/blurring issues reported with older generations - that MAY be fixed or mostly fixed in the X3/RS40+ models.


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Is this chassis the same as other current or recent JVC projectors such as the RS series? I'd like to know the dimensions of the HD 250.

This projector could be an option for me, but I would be very critical of it's sharpness. Since it's a lower end model of JVC's...I'd imagine it won't have their best optics. Also hope the anamorphic stretch is done well. Should be considering it's got the Reon.

Another concern would be the colour reproduction. Will the primaries be off? Will there be a CMS?

I guess I'll wait and see.
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I can't comment about the 21000, but the HD250 is essentially the old HD350 (or your RS10) in a matt black case. Therefore it's most unlikely that it will 'match the RS20'. Interesting also that in the US the HD250 claims 25,000:1 CR but elsewhere it claims 30,000:1, perhaps to further differentiate between it and the X3/RS40


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