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post #721 of 2898 Old 01-16-2011, 01:47 AM
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I will be receiving my projector in the next couple weeks. The Denon 2310 receiver has an ABT 2010 Anchor Bay processor. I see the 8700 has a Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX processor.

Would it be best to disable the denon's ABT processor and let the projector do the work, or is there some advantage to having both processors active?

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I didn't know they shipped to Canada. I tried the online checkout and it said my address wasn't supported. Maybe I just need to call them? Is Jason best to deal with? Any idea of who they ship with and the shipping cost for Canada?

Shipping will depend on where in Canada. Yes its best to call or email. I found Jason very good to deal with.
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I will be receiving my projector in the next couple weeks. The Denon 2310 receiver has an ABT 2010 Anchor Bay processor. I see the 8700 has a Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX processor.

Would it be best to disable the denon's ABT processor and let the projector do the work, or is there some advantage to having both processors active?

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I would disable the ABT and let the projector do the work, I would think having both processors active would make the picture worse.
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I would disable the ABT and let the projector do the work, I would think having both processors active would make the picture worse.

I agree since he can't disable the Reon in the projector. Also the Reon is probably the better chip though there are several versions of the Reon chip.
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Shipping will depend on where in Canada. Yes its best to call or email. I found Jason very good to deal with.

Yeah. I emailed him yesterday. Waiting to hear back. My house is almost finished and I'm wanting to have the projector on hand for when I move it.
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Anyone have any advice?
I'm wondering if the CIF, THX, UB, Contrast, and some of the other advantages the 8700 offer are worth around $900.

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Well, as I mentioned I had the 8350 for about a month and upgraded to the 8700. I had my doubts too but if you have a completely light controlled environment, the 8700 blows the 8350 away(imo). The blacks on the 8350 are really kind of gray. On the 8700 they are black. I also love the frame interpolation ability on the 8700 that the 8350 doesn't have.

I didn't buy from here but from Projectorpeople.com. No one "checked out" my projector ahead of time and it's perfect as far as I can tell. And they would have taken it back within 30 days if it was faulty. And I had a buyer for my 8350 the very next day after I decided to keep the new one.
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Here is some better pics of that Premier Mount Designed specifically for All epson Projectors....
Plate mounted to base with no ugly legs.
Front dials on upper base allow for adjustments
Again this mount is designed for All Epson Projectors,,
As the outside case is same body on all units.....

Does anyone like those Mini Levels.... they come in handy let me tell ya...







Could you tell me what model number this mount is? I am looking on their site and could not find the right one. I got the PDS-019, but not sure if that will fit the 8700 or not. Thanks.
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I just ordered an 8700 from AVScience, and couldn't be more excited! My HT history started with a Sony 1252 CRT in '99. (I actually ceiling mounted that 150lb monster!)

Then a Panasonic ae500 in '94, and an ax200 in '99. So this will be my first true 1080p unit.
One question. Is it true that Epson has been willing to replace lamps over the entire 2 year warranty span?

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Has the performance of the frame interpolation feature on these projectors been improved?

The first 5 pages or so of this thread are littered with complaints about stuttering (the absolute antithesis of frame interpolation) and other nastiness when using the frame interpolation compared to the sharp, and even older epsons.

It's subsequently never mentioned again.

Have these performance issues been fixed?

The lack of proper 24p handling and frame interpolation is my only gripe with my current tv, so i'd be wasting my time and AVS's as well on a return if these functions still don't work, and would be best served to keep my current equipment.

My source will be about 90% 24p sources, and 10% 30fps ntsc sources. Movies on tv (converted to 60hz) are a non-issue because i don't have cable.

Can anyone attest to the improvement, or otherwise satisfactory performance of these features on this model, as compared to the equivalent features on a 120hz lcd televisions?
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Everyone

I just bought an 8700. Amazing projector (sharp, bright, great color, quiet) even right out of box with no adjustments...for blu ray, hdtv cable, and even dvd. Using my old "Video Essentials" dvd on the unit set at Theater Black 1 results in very little that needs to be changed at all - well adjusted set out of box which is new to me...my old hdtv required a lot of adjustment.

I am now setting up some custom setups for watching various things. For example, my setup for dvd would have more sharpening than for bluray.

Question: Default for bluray seems to be 4:4 pulldown, which excludes the use of frame interpolation. Should I leave it that way...or turn off 4:4 and use the interpolation at a low setting?

Thanks for any thoughts you can provide.

I would argue that you should use 4:4 pulldown. Forget FI. Blu Ray doesn't need any tricks.

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After reading all the post and trying to decide between the LG 181d and the Epson 8700, I have decided to buy the Epson.
I have a dedicated theater room and need help choosing a 119" screen. Not sure if i need white or grey. Are even what gain to choose.
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After reading all the post and trying to decide between the LG 181d and the Epson 8700, I have decided to buy the Epson.
I have a dedicated theater room and need help choosing a 119" screen. Not sure if i need white or grey. Are even what gain to choose.

I have a Carada 119" diag. brilliant white screen (I believe 1.4 gain). Works great with my 8700UB. I previously owned the 6500UB. My HT is a batcave and I use THX mode, eco on the bulb brightness. Using HCFR and an Eye One LT meter, I was able to calibrate it to mostly under 1 for the DeltaE on greyscale, got 2.2 on the Gamma (using 2.3 gamma setting). RGB line totally flat at 100%. If all this tech talk confuses you, to sum it up, the pj looks great with the Carada screen!

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Am giddy with excitement as I just picked up my 8700UB today! Looking to get it hooked up this weekend along with my 92" tab-tensioned Elunevision reference screen.

NightTrain: I am also in Canada. Markham, Ontario to be exact. Purchased mine for $2199 price matched (not including HST). If your deal with AVS doesn't pan out for whatever reason let me know and I can send you some info via PM.

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Hmm, I looked at the link and deal offered on the AVS site but I don't see it stating that the units are inspected. Where is that info coming from?

I am seriously considering this purchase. Need to learn more about screens. The room is pretty dark with no wondows light coming in near the screen, but there is a fishtank in the back of the room (off to the side and 8 ft behind the viewers (about 20' from the screen)). I figure with the PJ and a white screen with 1.1, or maybe 1.4 gain I should be good to go? Thoughts?
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'Finally made a decision I'm extremely happy about regarding a projector. I received my 8700UB this morning while I was at work busy tracking it every 3 minutes on FedEx. They left it on my doorstep of all places. I called 7 minutes after and had my daughter take it inside. My heart rate subsided and cheerfully beat until I made my way home. I could not be more pleased. I also, a day earlier than anticipated, received my ceiling mount. I went with the Premier Mounts PRG-UNV-W. I like it, it's solid, easy to adjust. Just gotta take it slow with the directions and have the right tools. It uses some #14 x 2.5" phillips hex head screws which you need to pre-drill and if you have an impact driver it goes very smoothly.

My last two PJ's were a Panny AX100 for 3-4 years, about 1600 hours on the bulb, then an AX200 I bought used with 99 hours on the bulb, used it for another 20 and then started having the bright-dim-bright-dim problem. Iris, electronic, I don't know, don't care. It's a $1000 brick now. Enter: Epson. After reading all the reviews on customer care, the issues some have had, it seems as though my purchase is wiser than previously. I will never, NEVER, purchase a Panasonic product again. It's unacceptable that something 3 months outside of warranty with so little hours would not be within their ability to rectify. Great picture, lousy service, I moved on.

Impressions: Out of the box WOW. I haven't even put a tester on it or changed the settings other than changing it from desk to ceiling. I "broke it in" for about six hours and watched Iron Man, Star Trek, How to Train Your Dragon and am very pleased. Oh yeah, Despicable Me. Not me, the movie! Clear, clear, clear. I actually noticed the pupils of the girl dilate when they were being put to bed the first time! I never noticed that kind of detail previously. Now I have to watch all my movies all over...

If you're contemplating buying this model, I can only say the quality thus far is wonderful. Free bulb? Magnificent. Sold. 4000 hour bulb? Really? We'll see, but I believe it. I read and spent a lot of time researching and looking for my dream projector. A lot of the comments in this thread helped me arrive at my purchase, so thank you all.

The fan: Not loud at all. I have a 106" screen that seats 10', stadium seats at 14' and the pj at 18'. It adjusted easily, very easily, and is very bright. It's light controlled but even with a light in the back of the room it's hardly affected.

On an aesthetic note: It is a little boxy, but still sexy. It is larger than I thought it would be (who looks at dimensions?) but not too outrageous, just moderately larger than the AX100. Check the measurements if you are concerned about room.
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Can the HQV Realta video processing be turned off, if I find I would rather use the Anchor Bay ABT2010 processor in my Denon receiver instead?

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Edit: All the literature i see says the projector uses a Reon, and not a Realta.

The upscaling and deinterlacing are non-defeatable, but so long as you're sending it a progressive 1080p signal, everything else can be turned down/off.

Could you humor me and tell me why you'd prefer an anchorbay over the realta, though?

I've never heard anything but praise for the reon's adaptive filtering and bicubic scaling, and the realta's supposed to be an even better implementation. I considered it one of the biggest selling points for the projector.

Three years ago, you wouldn't find a video processor under $5k with the realta chip, let alone built into a projector.
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Edit: All the literature i see says the projector uses a Reon, and not a Realta.

The upscaling and deinterlacing are non-defeatable, but so long as you're sending it a progressive 1080p signal, everything else can be turned down/off.

Could you humor me and tell me why you'd prefer an anchorbay over the realta, though?

I've never heard anything but praise for the reon's adaptive filtering and bicubic scaling, and the realta's supposed to be an even better implementation. I considered it one of the biggest selling points for the projector.

Three years ago, you wouldn't find a video processor under $5k with the realta chip, let alone built into a projector.

I don't think there is an avantage to using the ABT over the Reon especially since the ABT in the Denon's don't even enable the ABT's best feature (my Denon 2310 has an ABT2010 but Denon has confirmed that the Progressive Re-Processing (PRePĀ®) is not active.

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how about some nice screen shots?
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I'll just turn off the abit.

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Can I reuse the 'universal' projector mount Ihave been using for my AE-700 with the Epson 8700? The Epson manual shows five locations to screw the projector to the mount. But every mount I have seen only has four screw locations, including the one that Epson sells as an accessory. Is that fifth screw location used? What are others doing?
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Would anyone recommend this pj over the Epson 8350 or the Mitsu HC4000 for a room that isn't light controlled?
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New 8700 review.

http://hometheaterreview.com/epson-p...ctor-reviewed/

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Can I reuse the 'universal' projector mount Ihave been using for my AE-700 with the Epson 8700? The Epson manual shows five locations to screw the projector to the mount. But every mount I have seen only has four screw locations, including the one that Epson sells as an accessory. Is that fifth screw location used? What are others doing?

I have been waiting for fraisa to reply to see which model that mount is. It is funny when I emailed the company to find out the model number, they tell me to get the unversal kit. I got a mount from monoprice, and it will just not hold firm. I wish he would reply soon, or someone else could chime in.
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I have been waiting for fraisa to reply to see which model that mount is. It is funny when I emailed the company to find out the model number, they tell me to get the unversal kit. I got a mount from monoprice, and it will just not hold firm. I wish he would reply soon, or someone else could chime in.
Hey Vietcu,
Here is the model Number.
ELPHB800
Another name for it is Pro 800....
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Would anyone recommend this pj over the Epson 8350 or the Mitsu HC4000 for a room that isn't light controlled?

THats a hard question to answer
if one person was to answer it one way someone else could answer it another way.



The true match from mits to the Epson 8700 would be the Mits 6800.
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Hey Vietcu,
Here is the model Number.
ELPHB800
Another name for it is Pro 800....

Thanks Fraisa, I feel like such an idiot now. I have been going through the Premier website looking through their mounts. Whether this one is made by them or not, it was not on their site. It is actually listed as an Epson made mount when I did a google search. And the picture is very misleading, the plate isn't in the picture at all. It is in the description in the manual of the mount however. If anyone else is looking for this mount, someone is selling it for $100 shipped on the bay.
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This is probably common knowledge, but I did confirm that Epson will replace a lamp that fails within the projectors warranty.

2 years without having to worry about the projector or lamp, plus an extra lamp to use after the 2 years. That's some peace of mind!

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So I'm like 99% certain I'm going to pick up a 8700UB as my first projector. I emailed Jason at AV Science but never got a response, I was pretty disappointed.

I called Epson pre-sale support and asked about buying a projector from a US online supplier and having it shipped to Canada. They told me that the rebates wouldn't work unless I shipped them to a US address and the warranty support would require me to deal with US support and I would have to ship back to the US at my own expense. I didn't like that so I'm pretty sure I will buy from a local dealer, it will be roughly $300-400 more depending on what the shipping cost from US would have been. $2099 + Shipping USD vs. $2499 CAD.

I also trust my local supplier and have purchased several AV receivers, a early Canon DSLR and other goods from them with zero complaints. I'll be trying a AccuScreen 106" grey screen to start and see how it goes, I'm willing to replace it if I'm not happy with it. But I got a pretty good price and easy return option so I figured why not. I'm also going to use a Mustang low profile flat universal mount. I think I'm pretty covered.

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N1GHTRA1N,

The AVS guys like it when you call them direct to order, I have found.

Jason Turk: 585-671-2968
Daniel Hutnicki: 585-671-2937
Bobbijean Coakley: 585-671-2920
Mark Haflich:585 454 1460 ext 106

Give that a try if you'd like. They checked my 8700 out before they shipped it to me, and I am very happy with the PJ.
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