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I had a thread about a month ago asking about whether the Viewsonic Pro8200 was real or not. Well, in the interim I bought a BenQ W1000+ from PP and had problems with the first unit (and the replacement) displaying an HDMI image. Those problems are documented in the W1000 thread, so you can look that up if you wish. Ultimately, both BenQ projectors went back to PP and I found that the Viewsonic Pro8200 was shipping, so I got one.

I have about 30 minutes of viewing and here's a quick rundown:

Good
MUCH better colors / picture than the BenQ. I don't have all the technical terms to describe the difference, but it's a much more dynamic picture, brighter colors and it seems "faster" in its handling of action scenes.

Also much better fleshtones, the BenQ always looked posterized.

Bad
It's a bit louder than the BenQ. Actually, louder may be wrong, it's got a two-note noise to it. The fan is a little bit lower in frequency, but you can also hear the color wheel spin. The BenQ had a higher frequency fan-only noise. Neither one is noticeable at any time other than paused / no sound situations, though.

It doesn't seem to have a perfect 16:9 image. The BenQ and my previous InFocus IN72 both filled my DIY 120" 16:9 screen to within 1/4" of the edges, they were that close to perfect. The Pro8200 has a total of about 3" on the top/bottom parts of the screen that are not hit when the image is touching the left/right borders.

The lighted remote is a joke. Yes, the perimeter of the buttons light up, great... however, the button labels are not lit at all, so you have to operate by feel, anyway. Not a big issue, I'll program my URC to handle the projector anyway, I was just surprised at how bad a design that was.

Also on the design note -- the lens cover is nice, but both the front ViewSonic label and the name on the lens cover are upside down when the unit is ceiling mounted. It just looks bad.

So I'm off to get this thing more dialed in, overall I'm absolutely happy that the BenQs didn't work out, this looks like a much better projector with a better picture, can't ask for more than that!
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I was actually looking at this too, I see it has a DarkChip 3 on-board. Looks like the first sub-$1k 1080p DLP to have it installed, + 3-year warranty.

How are your blacks?
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I was actually looking at this too, I see it has a DarkChip 3 on-board. Looks like the first sub-$1k 1080p DLP to have it installed, + 3-year warranty.

How are your blacks?

After a couple hours on the bulb, I'm even more happy. The colors are much more vibrant and the blacks are very good, not a huge difference from the W1000+, but very good. It's hard to quantify, especially since I've only had 3 projectors in this space, but I had been considering one of the DIY screen coatings for a Spring project, now I'm not... this is delivering the same type of picture I'm getting from my DLP TV, only at 120".

I also figured out the screen size issue, auto keystone was on by default and it had the base image distorted a bit. I turned that off and I'm at 4 clicks of keystone with a screen 16' away and about 5" below the projector. Not optimal, the BenQ had different geometry that hit the screen dead-square, but it's just fine for my purposes. I could revise the projector mount to get to optimum geometry, but that's for another... year.
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hello tremor 13, what of both projectors shining him parecio but? thanks
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I found one review of this projector Link.

From the review

"two user presets, which even have dedicated buttons on the well-designed remote control."

and

"we did notice juddering which wasn't simply caused by their 24fps frame rate. Essentially, if you want to watch fast-moving sports, this isn't the ideal choice"

Pictures from the review

Specs from ViewSonic

Display:

Resolution (Native / Max): HD (1920 x 1080)
Aspect Ratio: 16:9 (Native) 4:3, 16:10
Brightness (ANSI Lumens): 2000 ANSI Lumens
Contrast Ratio: 4000:1
Display Type: 0.65″ DMD DLP
Video Compatibility: NTSC, NTSC 4.43, PAL (B, D, G, H, I, M, N, 60), SECAM (B, D, G, K, K1, L), SDTV (480i, 576i), EDTV (480p, 576p), HDTV (720p, 1080i, 1080p)

Projection Lens:

Lamp Type: 230W
Lamp Life: 4000 hrs (Normal), 6000 hrs (Eco Mode)
Projection Distance: 3.0ft. ~ 32.8ft. (0.91m ~ 10m)
Projection Mode: Front, Rear, Ceiling
Projection Screen Size (Diagonal): 30in. ~ 300in. (76.2cm ~ 762cm)
Throw Ratio: 1.4 ~ 2.14:1
Optical Zoom: 1.5:1
Vertical Keystone Correction: +/- 30 Degrees

Inputs:

2 x HDMI
1 x Composite
1 x S-Video
1 x Component
2 x RGB D-Sub 15pin
2 x Stereo Mini Jack
1 x USB Type A

Outputs:

1 x RGB D-Sub 15pin
1 x Stereo Mini Jack

In The Box:

Power Cord
VGA Cable
HDMI Cable
Remote Control
Batteries
Lens Cap
Quick Start Guide
ViewSonic Wizard DVD



On the viewsonic page they say it has a 5-segment color wheel and then say it has a seven segment color wheel ? Link.

The video processor is a pixelworks PW980 with 10-bit color processing.
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I've got a call into Viewsonic's engineers about the 5 vs 7 seg color wheel confusion, I've also asked them to verify the speed since it's not published anywhere.

Viewsonic Australia clearly lists it as 7 seg:
w-w-w.viewsonic.c-o-m.au/products/productspecs.php?id=487

I ordered one regardless of not knowing the real specs, since I'll have 90 Days to return it.

I had a very hard time deciding between the AE4000, HC4000, 8350, and this one. For me the Viewsonic won hands down once i found out it offered a 3 year warranty. The other assisting factors that helped it win was the 4000/6000 bulb life, and the fact the bulbs could be had for under $250.

I'm in the process of running all the cables for the install, right now, and hope to be able to have a nice review by the end of the week.

I've also been very susceptible to the rainbow in the past so i'll report back on that as well.
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I had sent a note to Viewsonic asking them about the speed of the color wheel. Here is their answer:

"Dear Valued Customer,

The wheel speed is 7200rpm. Thank you!

ViewSonic Corporation
381 Brea Canyon Road
Walnut, CA 91789"

Would the speed of this color wheel would be considered to be 2x or 4x. A three segment (RGB) color wheel spinning at 3600 rpm is 1x. 6 segment (RGBRGB) wheel spinning at 7200 rpm is 4x (e.g. Optoma HD20). This has a seven segment color (RGB????) wheel spinning at 7200 rpm so is it 2x, or 3x or 4x.

I am also seriously considering this projector but the lack of reviews is holding me back. I has also sent a note to the ProjectorCentral asking when are they reviewing this projector. I did get a reply saying that it is in the queue and the review would be posted in a few weeks time.

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I've had a bit more time to use the projector and can offer a couple more thoughts:

The Pro8200 seems to be better with fast motion than the BenQ, at least with football. I can't say conclusively, though, because the pixelation I saw with the BenQ could have been the image sent from the DVR.

Rainbow effect is much less than the BenQ. I can make myself see rainbow, whether it's a slow-color-wheel projector or a fast rear projection tv. The Pro8200 is much better than any DLP projector I've seen (in-house or at a friends, etc), but not as good as a rear projection DLP tv. Even when I do force myself to see it, though, it's very slight.

Still very happy with the way things turned out.
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The chassis looks similar to a Mitsubishi HC4000...
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The chassis looks similar to a Mitsubishi HC4000...

It sure does! The Pro8200 has a lot more inputs on the back panel, but they do look like they use the same chassis/plastics.

7 segment color wheel, though, so it's no a straight rebadge.

Anyone else have one of these yet? I've got another few hours on mine and I'm more pleased. I like this projector more the more I look at it.
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according to there am leido in a Chinese page, uses crystal lenses. This seems to me wonderful
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tremor 13. What is plus luminoso.pro8200 or w1000+. Thanks
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I had sent a note to Viewsonic asking them about the speed of the color wheel. Here is their answer:

"Dear Valued Customer,

The wheel speed is 7200rpm. Thank you!

ViewSonic Corporation
381 Brea Canyon Road
Walnut, CA 91789"

Would the speed of this color wheel would be considered to be 2x or 4x. A three segment (RGB) color wheel spinning at 3600 rpm is 1x. 6 segment (RGBRGB) wheel spinning at 7200 rpm is 4x (e.g. Optoma HD20). This has a seven segment color (RGB????) wheel spinning at 7200 rpm so is it 2x, or 3x or 4x.

I am also seriously considering this projector but the lack of reviews is holding me back. I has also sent a note to the ProjectorCentral asking when are they reviewing this projector. I did get a reply saying that it is in the queue and the review would be posted in a few weeks time.

Ajit

I was wondering about this as well. I do know that one of the hidden segments is a yellow segment (which does wonders for color saturation) according to the main brochure..

So it would be a RGBXXXY. Now some of the newer 7-segment wheels developed by TI are RGBRGBY. If the Pro8200 has this wheel and spinning at 7200RPM like stated above, then it is a 4X speed. The more and more I read about it, the more I like it, especially at this price point. I am anxious for Art at projectorreviews or somebody to review it.
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tremor 13. What is plus luminoso.pro8200 or w1000+. Thanks

As far as actual brightness goes, to my uncalibrated eye they are very close, both VERY much brighter and sharper than my old IN72.

The big difference between the two is that the colors are more deep and vibrant with the Pro8200 over the W1000+. Also, the fleshtones looked pretty bad on the W1000+, where they look great out of the box with the Pro8200. I'm sure some of that can be calibrated, but it's nice to start with a picture where you have no complaints from the beginning!
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I would love to know how it compares to the 8100.
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Any reviews on this other than the ones posted? I am considering this one or the Epson 8350
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Where did you guys buy yours? This looks like a great projector to replace my aging 4805!
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Would this projector blow the HD20/HD180 out of the water?
Did you guys buy it from the Viewsonic website or somewhere else?
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I had one ordered from J&R, but after ordering it Friday morning with it in stock, I canceled on Tuesday morning since it hadn't shipped yet. I then placed an order from Buy.com and received it on Thursday.

Buy.com's price seems to vary a bit. I got mine for $956 with $5.99 for 2 day shipping, looks like they've been hanging at $999 since then.
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I got mine from a large membership chain, it was 999Cdn with free shipping, arrived in 3 days.
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I have a ~7' 10" ceiling in the basement. What's the image offset? I know it's a fixed lens as most DLP projectors are, but does this projector play nice with a lower than 8' ceiling?

How's the fan noise in low lamp mode?

The screen I'm considering is about 106" diag. with a 1.1 gain. Seating is around 13 - 14 feet back.

Does it play back Blu-ray 1080p/24 content without 3:2 pulldown (refeshing at direct multiples of 24 Hz)?

I'd rather go DLP than LCD due to motion lagging, convergence, and other LCD panel issues. Can't afford LCOS right now... sigh...

We need more details and screen shots, etc.!! Thanks!

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I have a ~7' 10" ceiling in the basement. What's the image offset? I know it's a fixed lens as most DLP projectors are, but does this projector play nice with a lower than 8' ceiling?

How's the fan noise in low lamp mode?

The screen I'm considering is about 106" diag. with a 1.1 gain. Seating is around 13 - 14 feet back.

Does it play back Blu-ray 1080p/24 content without 3:2 pulldown (refeshing at direct multiples of 24 Hz)?

I'd rather go DLP than LCD due to motion lagging, convergence, and other LCD panel issues. Can't afford LCOS right now... sigh...

We need more details and screen shots, etc.!! Thanks!

Image offset isn't as good as the W1000+. Using a 4" ceiling mount shooting 16' to a screen 11" down the W1000+ hit perfectly. The Pro8200 needs +5 clicks of keystone correction for me with a 120" screen. If I had the projector back another foot, it'd be close to spot-on.

Fan noise in low lamp mode is awesome, almost non-existent, even with no audio playing.

I'm hoping santa brings a new AVR, but until then I've only got a DVR/Xbox hooked up sharing an HDMI cable, so I can't tell you about the blu ray performance.

Screenshots would be nice, but it'll be until at least next week for me, family comes shortly and chaos will ensue for a few days.
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I have a ~7' 10" ceiling in the basement. What's the image offset? I know it's a fixed lens as most DLP projectors are, but does this projector play nice with a lower than 8' ceiling?

How's the fan noise in low lamp mode?

The screen I'm considering is about 106" diag. with a 1.1 gain. Seating is around 13 - 14 feet back.

Does it play back Blu-ray 1080p/24 content without 3:2 pulldown (refeshing at direct multiples of 24 Hz)?

I'd rather go DLP than LCD due to motion lagging, convergence, and other LCD panel issues. Can't afford LCOS right now... sigh...

We need more details and screen shots, etc.!! Thanks!

according to the manual, the vertical offset is 16.8" shooting a 100" image. 20.2" for 120" image. so, interpolating, you're looking at about an 18" offset for a 106" image.

and if you don't have audio yet, this thing has speakers!
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My mount should be here on the 30th i'm going to have to have a couple clicks of keystone, i'll only be able to get maybe 12" of offset and 100" screen so we'll see how it looks, I only have 7'6 ceilings so theres not a lot i can do about it.

so far i'm very happy with it, the color wheel issue has bothered me in the past on other projectors but so far i'm happy with this one. i can still see it, but its no where near as bad as others i've seen.
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according to the manual, the vertical offset is 16.8" shooting a 100" image. 20.2" for 120" image. so, interpolating, you're looking at about an 18" offset for a 106" image.

and if you don't have audio yet, this thing has speakers!

18" offset being above the top of the screen or below the top of the screen if ceiling mounting? A quick search didn't reveal details. I have a Da Lite HP Screen on a DIY frame and having to move the mount higher would result in lower gain which i'm not a fan of but could offset running this projector in brighter modes given the super bulb life! Have a Panny AX200 now.

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It may well be wine and roses, but I've no interest in this brand after Viewsonic's ambivalence to the problems of the Pro8100. There's just too much competition to care.
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18" offset being above the top of the screen or below the top of the screen if ceiling mounting? A quick search didn't reveal details. I have a Da Lite HP Screen on a DIY frame and having to move the mount higher would result in lower gain which i'm not a fan of but could offset running this projector in brighter modes given the super bulb life! Have a Panny AX200 now.

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Does this have lense-shift? Wasn't the Pro8100 an LCD model?

In terms of LFE, size does matter!
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Does this have lense-shift? Wasn't the Pro8100 an LCD model?

Yeah the Pro8100 was LCD, looks like the engineers went with a clean-sheet design and switched to DLP for its successor. Unusual for a company to do that with a particular model line.
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For a basement ceiling that offset is too much even compared to my old SD Infocus IN72 that had a 14.6" offset for a 106" screen (it had a 128% offset, the Viewsonic seems to be quite a bit more!). I'd be practically setting my Paradigm Studio CC-690 center speaker on the floor to get it to fit under the screen, and that's flush mounting the darn thing.

I'll have to look elsewhere. Any suggestions for a comparable 1080p projector with a better offset?

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