Would you recommend this pj now? how long did it take to get to your door after you ordered? does it have a zoom capability? Can you post up a video or some pics? how does it compare to anything else you have tried?
sorry for all the questions.. looking to purchase a new pj asap
urm.. well i havent read the manual yet, ive just recieved it like 5 mins ago, but as far as i know more on the no frills side, there no fancy motorization here, unless its in the manual!!!
So manual zoom, twisting lens one way to make large & twisting the other way to make small/+ focus.
Shipping to me in England was about $110 by DHL & yes there is a customs charge so expect to pay duty & vat.
Later friends i`m gonna read the manual & see if this has a dust filter to maintain.
Now that you got it to display full 1920x1080 may i suggest again that you purchase a copy to the test blu-ray disc i mentioned above to really test the capabilities of this pj, especially for panel pixel alignment ?
Perhaps the biggest issue with 3 panels digital pjs is how precisely all pixels from all 3 panels (over 6.000.000 pixels total !) are superimposed and displayed onscreen : the more misalignment the "fuzzier" the picture, less aparent resolution and more unwanted color registration problems, i.e. color "fringing".
I am also very, very curious whether or not it has a dynamic contrast control and how well does it work; Also, how warm does it get after a few hours of usage...And i was just going to ask you about dust filters and whether or not the LCD panels are fully encapsulated to prevent dust build-up, but then i imagine that is a question to be put directly to Mr. Hans at CRE...
sellmejunk >>> You're certainly making our lives a lot easier by posting all this info.
I just scanned through the pdf you posted and i see that for an 87" to 105" screen the recommended distance to place the pj is a little over 13 feet.
Also, going to menu and selecting "Picture", there is an option for "Picture Mode " that appears to open a submenu for "Advance" (?) "Temperature R ~ G ~ B" which may OR may not give the user a rudimentary gray-scale adjustment control to raise or lower the entire scale for each color, instead of offering a truly useful control for raising/lowering each end of the scale separately - such scale presented as a linear horizontal scale starting at near black going all the way to bright white, i.e. gray scale tracking...
It would be nice if it also gave the user separate R/G/B color controls for intensity, brightness and tint, thus allowing the user to fine tune "color points"...
However, my current A/V processor has pretty good controls for gray-scale tracking adjusments and, from my personal experience with the amazing colors offered by LED chipsets from Luminus Devices, i became a convinced sucker for oversaturated LED colors, ha !
Hey Magusto thanks for your in depth reply. I believe what I call LCD "panels" you are calling "chips". I agree with you about the new in organic panels. They are supposed to be more resilient to UV light and breaking down which has been the scourge of high output LCD projectors. The panels that I have experience with are made by Sony. From what I understand the jury is still out on the breakdown of the newer panels. The real issue has always been the Blue screen in particular along with the blue polarizing filter due to the panels constant exposure to high levels of UV light. This Cre LED beast seems to be cutting edge and could lead the way to a life time lamp projector. However the component /part failure is a real possibility in today's newer across the board electronics especially with the Capacitors that are used in power supply's. There are several forums specially devoted to bad caps. The other issue I have is all the onboard all in one chips that are used in the newer electronic products. It seem like that when they fail the solution is to "throw the whole thing away " which defeats the main reason the electronic item was purchased in the first place. There is not enough known about this projector yet to make a decision but it appears promising. The only thing I that I see so far is this machine is being lumped in with the cheap single panel 7 inch TFT screen visionmax PJ's that are ruining the home theatre market for the general public.
With regards to your later LCD dust filter comment. I don't think dust is going to be an issue if the three LED's are mounted behind the LCD panels but this is speculation on my part.
I am curious to hear how well this projectors LCD panels are aligned. Sellmejunk, there is an easy way to test this. Try displaying some white text on a black background with the projector from your computer on different parts of the screen. Get up close to the projected image and see if the pixels are aligned properly. If alignment is off there will be visible halo effect or a noticeable shift in the three primary colors from one another. Usually the pixels are a little off, maybe half a pixel in not bad.
Obviously the next question will be how is the black level? Not sure how good the panels are, but doubt they are epsons high end "ultra black" LCD panels. I could be wrong, but oh well. It is exciting that this tech is finally coming in the form factor that we all want: not a pico projector, 720 - 1080 p, decent brightness
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Thank you for your answers, sellmejunk.
You just gave us another hint of the "innards" of this pj by mentioning "Pixelworks", which is a highly respected manufacturer of video processing chips, up there with Abt, Anchor Bay, HQV Realta/Reon, Marvell, etc; So that's another very encouraging point concerning the quality of parts used.
So far i see native 1920x1080 Epson D7 LCD chips + Luminus Devices PT-120 LED chipset + Pixelworks video processor, all currently near or top-of-the-line electronics.
What i am most interested now is how well put together are the input/output connectors AND the pixel alignment for all three LCD chips displaying an onscreen grid test pattern, especially considering that these pjs are being sold and shipped individually from China, with all the rough handling and banging that implies.
Its good theres a buzz about this technology, ive been looking to get a new TV/projector since October 2010, i nearly bought a epson tw2200 but held off, then looked at getting an LED tv i saw the Sharp Quatron 811E with the New yellow colour palette.
The 85watts it uses to run a 46" inch screen was my top choice.
Sadly once you own a projector, & having to settle tiny 46" picture , aint gonna cut it.
Yeh so did a search for LED projector & saw the specs coupled with epson partnership, this has to be a winner.
After looking on the web to see if someone had reviewed it, i couldnt find nothing on it, leading me to this forum & more speculation.
Deciding to take the plunge parting with the cash was a nervous process but now i`m pleased to show the results.
overall it pretty darn good, yeh theres some noticable lines sometimes with gradients, barring but its not noticable, anyways i`m not too techy & havent got a mitsubishi or epson to compare it too.
Heres a clip hopefully will reveal the answer your questions.
(Projector has been running for 4 hours at the time of this clip. Yes it gives out some heat i would guess just above 40 degrees Celcius )
Perhaps if i buy a decent HDMI cable it would improve the picture, i`m just using the HDMI cable that came with it, it anyone recommend an affordable one with excellent quality, or is it worth a high end cable?
Thanks for posting the video. I see some banding on the right side of the image, is this noticeable? Most around here use cables from Monoprice or Bluejean as they are good quality at reasonable prices.
donaldk >>> After i wrote that quote i did check Epson's website and i noticed the $700 pj with LCD panels that have lower XGA native resolution; I imagined that Epson might be simply trying to get rid of older tech...
In the owner's manual there are what appears to be five different "classes" of projectors (???) with the first listed as having "Hollywood Quality Video", the second "Pixelworks" and the other three "MstarSemiconductor"; Since we know that "Pixelworks" applies to a video processing chip and it comes second on the list, could it be that "Hollywood Quality Video" (first on the list) means "HQV/Reon" video processor ? I wish as usual that Chinese translators would do a better job butchering the English language...
As someone else pointed out here, I also wonder whether or not this pj is using the brand new line of reflective LCD chips from Epson (essentially LCOS) that was released last fall, but i doubt that very much due to cost and availability; However, the owner's manual lists a contrast ratio of 100.000:1 (of course i know that's just another senseless contrast figure statement) and i wonder, again, did Epson ever list any of its pjs that use standard LCD D7 0.74" chips as having contrast measurements of 100.000:1 ? Perhaps last year's model ? Of course such high figure would mean the use of a dynamic iris, which Epson always used in the past.
By listing such high figure it would seem that this pj employ some kind of dynamic LED chipset control similar to a mechanical iris which would raise/lower brightness to match the onscreen image, similar to what is used in the Samsung F10M 3LCD/LED pj, and if that's the case here, then how good is it ? Does it "pump" the image brightness noticeably or not ?
sellmejunk, where are you again ? We need your input(s)....
PS : sellmejunk, are you projecting on a screen or a wall ? If screen, do you know the screen gain ? How big is the image ? Thanks
The only thing is ..the surface is vinyl and is textured rather than being pure smooth like paper. i`ll like to upgrade but i fear a decent screen would run into alot more cash. right now i gotta save up some cash, i`m skint! spent out, after this purchase.
Will be awhile till i can aford a blu ray drive for my PC & a Blu ray image test disc suggested to me, but its on my list
The CRE X1000 is as far as it can go in my tiny place, its 10ft 8inches away from the Screen, and the current size of the picture measured diagonally is 93.5 to 94 inches roughly
I am sorry but there is no way that is 3000 lumen on a 94 inch screen not to mention if they are over driving the PH120 to 160 as per their manual they would not last the 20,000 that is recommended much less the 60,000 this company quotes.
I have a LED projector and have seen the following ones Runco Q-750, Q-1500, D-73d, Sim2 Mico 40, Mico 50.
Even the over driven EE Tru Vue Vango only makes 1000 lumens.
My next question is why would you use a Red LED behind a red LCD, B on B, and G on G? This makes no sense whatsoever. The LED is creating the color... a very good color. The LCD panel would be a lower quality not as pure color.
I can see them using 3 PH 120 white LEDs one behind each panel, but that is it. Also the video you posted seems to have very large pixels for a 1080p projector. They seem to be much larger than my 1080p on a 120 inch screen.
How many mm wide and high are they.
Thanks.
I am just wondering how they did this for so cheap when the cheapest and highest output LED projector right now is over $10K and only 1000 Lumens
Interesting did anybody try to download the manual from Sellmejunk's link? It is a setupfile and has a virus in it. Or at least that is what AVG told me.
Interesting that all the information is a quote the luminus Phlatlight page, but no projector has been able to output near 3000 in real application.
I stand corrected about not using them behind the panels. Luminus says you can. I have not seen it yet... This might be the first LCD as you said, but it would be less than 1000lumens probably closer to 400-800 as that is what DLP is getting. I would think the LCD would reduce the output even more.
Has anybody else been able to find anything about this company or pj?
The reason i chose the name sell me junk, was that i bought a 2nd hand projector years ago on ebay but didnt promise what it was to be true.
I have lost money buying junk before on a number of occasions, this CRE X1000 was a huge gamble, so when Windows 7 didnt recognise the this new tech projector, i had a moment of panic figuring i may have conned.
One of the next items i`m after could also be junk, its a gadget 2 in one dust grabber using some wierd
tech to Produces approx. 100 trillion high-density negative ions per second. Its proably junk, but i want it!
I have to give you credit for coughing up the money and buying the unknown.
But with out a BD player/disk those artifacts may be a result of your video card or the connection. IN NO WAY am I suggesting you are doing anything wrong, I'm just reminding the gallery, this is what the projector produces using SMJs set up.
If I wasn't waiting on pins and needles for the Qumi you would of light a fire under me. if I were the gallery, I would e-mail this company and get them to loan one to a good reviewer, or someone if is close to SMJ invite him over (if you have better equipment).
rovingtravler >>> The Samsung F10M, which uses a similar arrangement as this pj, namely 3LCD + LEDs from Luminus Devices, was measured by Projector Reviews.com as putting out 953 lumens in "bright mode" and 762 lumens in "movie mode"...
The reason for such high light output is because, unlike a single chip DLP pj which needs the three separate LEDs to synch to the imaging chip in constant ON/OFF pulses of light, three chips pjs such as this one do not need any synching, the three LEDs are ON continuously, thus putting out their full lumen potential.
BTW : i agree with afineman's comment; Last year i "splurged" and bought a Panasonic blu-ray player (highly praised for its picture and video processor) for $105 and the picture for both HD AND SD dvds is the best i've ever seen on my screen, truly a bargain investment in video equipment.
Insofar as HDMI cables, i would stay with MonoPrice as recommended with the caveat that when ordering it make sure it's not as thick and heavy as the one i bought; I am all for thickness in A/V cables for better isolation, but there is too much of a good thing...
just so u know monkey island does indeed look dark, as the hdmi colors were different from the VGA colors i had used from fiddling with the projectors settings, i havent found that right blend of technicolor yet.
HDMI mode grays out hue controls also.
I must fiddle with catalyist colors and the PJ.
Can i ask whats the best setting for HDMI? cataylst offers me these options :
YCbCr4:4:4
YCbCr4:2:2
RGB 4:4:4 Pixel fomat studio limited
RGB 4:4:4 Pixel format PC Full RGB
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