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post #31 of 110 Old 12-25-2012, 07:27 PM
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I'm new to the sit and thought I would make a comment about the palladium hd8000p. So I was a the pawn shop and saw this projector a while back. They wanted like 400 something for it when they first put it up. So I waited a while and luckily got it for a hundred bucks because it was bought and then returned. they thought it was broken, but it wasn't. it just took a long time for the projector to cool down. I guess the fans are made to run for a long time. Anyway i wouldn't say I fell for the scam because I bought it at a pawn shop. Yeah I know its a no name "cheapo" projector but for a hundred bucks its not a bad deal. I haven't noticed any major problems with it. The picture is good and clear but I'm really not sure if its 1080 p like the website says. I'm not saying it isn't just saying I really don't know how to compare and see if it truly is because the picture is fairly good. fine text is distorted, ex movie menus. There are only a couple of problems with the projector. Light emits from all sides of the image , a little more from the top ( this is really only noticeable when an image contains a lot of black. there is no way to adjust the format, everything is done automatically. you cant customize the format, as far as i know. and there are a couple of permanent lines in the image, barely visible. they're kind of like the fold lines if your watching the projector on a sheet, not as bad though. I think it was a pretty good deal for 100 buck, I don't think I would pay over 300 for it though. O yeah if anyone knows about projectors and can help me out with the little problems I have that would be awesome, cuz there's nothing in the way of getting help with this projector.
Overall I think I got a good deal for this projector. If anyone wants me to post an image let me know:)

Yes, I want you to post a screenshot of this $100 marvel.
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Someone posted a youtube link to one of these projectors and it was hilarious. The video was primarily of the "audience" supposedly watching some fabulous image. All smoke & mirrors.
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This scam has been going on for quite some time, at least a couple years. Definitely a classic white van scam.

I was looking to upgrade my 800x600 BenQ when $1000 1080p projectors first hit so I checked CL to get a sense of what it was worth and to see if maybe I could get a deal on a used 720p. That's when I saw these "too good to be true" projectors and found the same bogus web sites with crazy specs and MSRPs when I tried to research them.

From what I can tell they're 800x600 native (maybe 1024x768 these days!). They were advertised as "HD projectors". Like my benq, they could probably take a higher signal and then do a bunch of awful scaling.

At the prices they're asking, assuming they're decent projectors, the buyer is paying about 2x what they're actually worth, and of course with no real warranty. Their customer service department probably uses baseball bats and employees who moved here from poorer eastern bloc countries, judging by their grammar.

Additionally, in contacting several sellers about used projectors on CL, nearly every single one was a scam (got several advance fee scam responses) or at best a seller who knew nothing about projectors - i.e. a junk flipper, thief, pawn shop or a storage locker seller. I ended up selling my benq to a friend for $150 with 500 hours on the bulb and calling it a day. And I wrote off CL for good. CL doesn't seem to care that their FS forums are overrun by scammers, and legit sellers get flagged off. It's a joke and a waste of time.

While we're on the subject, be sure to uniquely mark your projector in the event of theft - engrave or scratch your initials on the inside of the case, for example. You can point to the unique marking as proof of ownership when it inevitably shows up on CL or ebay.

EDIT: As someone mentioned, the scam projector name at the time was "Visionmax". I think it also went by "Visionmaxx". Here's their baloney promo video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR9IqsWyflU

EDIT EDIT: Apparently the distributors or manufacturers are also supplying legitimate looking magazines with "reviews" of the projector so the scammers have another tool to convince their marks.
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The POS's that are linked to the white Van scams are 5 or 7 inch SINGLE TFT screens with a metal halide aquarium lamp behind them. The new LED models popping up are replacing the Halide lamps but it is the same basic pass through design. The quality of the Builds is generally cheesy at best. Most of the outer case is air and designed to LOOK like a quality projector. YOU WILL NEVER GET a quality Picture out of a SINGLE LCD screen no MATTER what you do with it. Its barely good enough for the kiddys but as a home theatre they are useless,

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BTW I tried to post this on dec 7th but something screwed up. Is it just ME or has this site been getting slower and slower to access??
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SLOWER .. but.. please keep in mind that one of the major internet back bone connections WAS NY City.. Many of the the ISPs are using backups and have packets rerouted to jibip and back. Depending on where you are, where the sites are and how the routs are .. some things can be VERY slow whiles other sites work fine..

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A friend of mine just got sucked into this scam with a "$5999.99 MSRP" projector. I joined AVS just to give my two cents and provide a heads-up. It is, without a doubt, a "White Van" scam. The scammers, as I understand it, were in a BMW (which subtly says, "these are types of people who can afford such high value equipment"), and they were apparently loitering in a Wells Fargo or BofA parking lot (easy access to ATM) in a southern California beach city. Reading online, I see many people fall victim to these scams outside of Home Depots (approached in the parking lot).

I was once approached for "high quality" speakers outside a mini mall in the San Diego area when I was in the service by two dudes, literally, in a white van. If I remember correctly, they claimed to have Polk Audio speakers and asked if I needed any speakers. I knew right away from their sight and smell and demeanor they were shysters, so I lied right back. I told them I already had Bose speakers and did not need any speakers regardless of the ridiculously low price. They had the nerve to ask what kind, as though they thought I was lying! Well, I was, but I thought, "really? You're going to keep pitching after the game is over?" This was over 10 years ago. I am VERY leery of pressure sales and ALWAYS suspect foul play. I am very hard to pressure into buying something on the spot at a too-good-to-be-true price. I learned this lesson after only $10 on a ticket scam in San Francisco. Fool me once.

In any case, my friend happened to be in the market for a projector, but wasn't actively looking because he couldn't really afford it and didn't really need it. His first reaction was suspicion that the items were "hot," but the scammers were very convincing about their business license (apparently they had a forged license or some such other documentation, I'm not sure). They gave some well-used pitch about some contracting job or other, and they had an overstock on equipment, and the boss just wanted them gone as the units were not needed, etc. etc. etc. The pressure sell was that they needed to go soon, or they would just find a way to take them home for themselves (though I'm assuming this was somehow "not allowed" by their fictitious boss, so really, you're doing them a favor for lifting the item/s from their hands). Initial offer was high, around $1000 as I understand. When he stated he didn't have that kind of cash, he offered $100. They balked at that, and asked how much he had. He had around $260, which they were slow to accept (they gotta stay in character, after all). My friend felt satisfied that he did his due diligence if the item did turn out to be stolen. Well, it's not stolen (as far as we know); it's just sh8 quality.

The brand, "Marquee Digital Labs," should be an instant red flag. Who's ever heard of them? Certainly not me, and they couldn't possibly be top of the line, $6K equipment with an unknown name like that. He brought the projector home, showed me, and we started to set it up. The screen flashed, but never came to a steady on. It would strobe very slowly, giving a brief, quick flash of the picture before going dark again. At first we thought it might have been the connection. When I hit the internet to troubleshoot, I started seeing all the tell-tale signs. No customer support. No physical location. No-name brand from an unknown company--only selling one product, the one you just got scammed into getting on the spot. The model number is given as MD-1000LED-3D. We got the projector to output sound from a camera video, which was fairly loud. So we knew some of the electronics worked. We believe it might be able to be fixed (probably some badly done soldering welds and/or cheap internal parts). I'm certain it's probably not 3D, as it claims (though it came with 2 pair of 3D polarized glasses). Also came with a 72" projector screen, which looks cheaply made, but did pull out and retract correctly. It measured about 70" viewable (diagonal), with about a 1" black border. It's probably not HD, either.

The address listed on the product is 4195 Chino Hills Parkway, #456. Real address, but business does not match (and/or is shut down). No phone number. Fake website pitching the product. Not only that, but numerous typos on the packaging (under closer inspection). For instance, Texas Snstruments. I'm pretty sure if this was a Texas Instruments product, they probably know enough to know how to spell their own damn name. Numerous other typos and then this one: LED --> Light Emitting Display (not Diode). Does that mean incandescent? Who knows?

Be careful, and as always, caveat emptor.

Or, learn your lesson from this and consider it money well spent (as long as you never have to learn the lesson over again). Good luck!
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Someone is currently trying to sell a Cinema Optix projector on CL in the Des Moines area. I flag these rip offs as often as I can.
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White Van Lover, you must be a Short Bus Rider!
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I'm not going to go too deep into these specific models but I had a Favi Rio Led2 2 years ago. I got a good deal on it and was too scared to buy a projector with a real bulb. The LED was perfect for me because I planned on traveling with it. 20,000 hours was a dream come true. The problem with these low end models is the design of them is horrible. It had 2 fans SCREAMING at all times and was still super hot/warm. I blew my first bulb (more of a fade out) and to their credit got a replacement model. 6 months later the same thing happened. My point is, 20,000 hours means nothing when they are designed by lower end manufacturers who have no clue. All the money I thought i was saving ended up costing me more. I won't even go into the dimness of the bulb or the quality of the 640x480 output. But it said HD? Sure they all do. It's the native resolution not the downscaled fake 1080. Save your money for a few more months if you need to. Seriously. There are a lot of projectors out there for under $500.

If your buying a new projector, buy more lumens than you will use. Running it in "Eco Mode" makes your bulb last 20-40% longer and reduces noise and heat.
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8/27/13: Location: Miami (of course). I was just picking up my lunch in a shopping center and was approached not in the "white van" but a black one by two white Americans that does not speak Spanish. The story was that these two guys are on their way to Marriott to install these projection TVs but there was an extra one that came in on the airfreight when they just picked it up from the airline. Since they got it for free, they want to sell it quick.... cheap.

The box showed suggested retail price: $5999 but would give it to me for $600 with the 72" projection screen. I was thinking, although I have no need for it but for that kind of a price, it is too good to pass it up. At the same time, thanks to some good common sense kicking in and did it quick research on the web via smart phone. Found some interesting things in matter of minutes. Basically.. too many suspicious popped up such as unknown inferior brand, pushing the deal in a parking lot in the middle of the day, 90% discount on the price of the product, and shady characters.

After research once I got back to my desk, I was very happy that I did not do any type of transaction with these people. there are just too many cons out there and hope that our society would improve to become more civilized beings.
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Does it do any good to contact the manager of the store or call the cops?
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Just went up a few minutes ago. Mess with him.
http://stcloud.craigslist.org/ele/4048980136.html

If your buying a new projector, buy more lumens than you will use. Running it in "Eco Mode" makes your bulb last 20-40% longer and reduces noise and heat.
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You cant save people from their own greed, if they want to buy something that looks to good to be true then let them. It takes two to tango, you have some poor scrub trying to make a buck and some poor scrub trying to save one all the while thinking they infact got over on the seller, they are made for eachother.

I completely disagree with you. On one side you have lowlife scammers with shoddy merchandise touting fake specs, willing to lie about anything and everything, and on the other side you have someone not too knowledgeable about projectors who thinks they're being offered a good deal.

How the hell are those two groups morally equivalent?

I flag craigslist scammers every chance I get, and put up my own ads warning people to stay away from them.

EDIT: everyone reading this should flag the ad linked in the post above.
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FML, I just bought this stupid thing. I'm so stupid.
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FML, I just bought this stupid thing. I'm so stupid.

It takes BIG balls to admit it !!!
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FML, I just bought this stupid thing. I'm so stupid.
Hopefully for not very much
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I thought I made out like a bandit getting it for $400. Apparently not. At least I didn't pay the $1000 he was asking.

My first instinct was to try and resell this but I don't want to pass my misfortune onto someone else. If it doesn't work, I'm just going to throw it off my 20th story balconey. Ah well, I guess I've learned a good lesson smile.gif.
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If you decide to throw it off your balcony you should make a little video of it and post it on Youtube.

A: It would be interesting to see, and

B: By letting more people know about this scam you might be sparing some from the same fate.
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I thought I made out like a bandit getting it for $400. Apparently not. At least I didn't pay the $1000 he was asking.

My first instinct was to try and resell this but I don't want to pass my misfortune onto someone else. If it doesn't work, I'm just going to throw it off my 20th story balconey. Ah well, I guess I've learned a good lesson smile.gif.

If the seller was in the US and you know the general area he was "working in", you might be able to file something with the state attorney general's office. In some cases of product misrepresentation / false advertising it is a gray area, in these cases, it is not. These deals are actually against the law as absolute false statements are made.


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I thought I made out like a bandit getting it for $400. Apparently not. At least I didn't pay the $1000 he was asking.

My first instinct was to try and resell this but I don't want to pass my misfortune onto someone else. If it doesn't work, I'm just going to throw it off my 20th story balconey. Ah well, I guess I've learned a good lesson smile.gif.

Suck! Don't feel bad though, I've been jacked for more than that by auto shops and healthcare places because I don't know much about em. It's the American way it seems.
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These losers that drive around in vans or huge sport utilities are low life bottom feeders.  I have been approached by these bafoons around 5 times in the last 7 years.  Look at the Quantum projectors they look cheap, are generic Chinese copycats and are all over Alibaba. 6000 lumens for the top model...more like to date they have ripped off 6000 humans!

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I bought this thing from an acquaintance for $600 and I've been using it for a few days now and I'm not sure why everyone is so upset about this. I like thing.

 

 

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Ladies and gents the projector actually is pretty good. I'm happy to say that own one of these projectors and its worth every penny I spent on the projector. You need to experience the projector before you pass judgement. I personally was never approached by some white van and never bought anything;) on the street before in my life as far as electronics is concerned. The first time the projector which forgot to mention comes with HD projector screen 75" and also 2 3d glasses $200 HDMI cables. By the way the bulb is 20000 hours of life. The replacement bulb $300. Thank you for your time and consideration on this imperative matter. Don't knock it before you try it. Look, listen and learn.

 

 
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By the way, the new update is they actually paid for an ad in the new sound & vision magazine under a Bach & Odin system. Same crap, new name.
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I too am one of the dummies, though I was enticed by the screen. Has anyone found a good use for it besides a paperweight?
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I too am one of the dummies, though I was enticed by the screen. Has anyone found a good use for it besides a paperweight?
Use a motion sensor to activate it on and use it as a flood light to scare off intruders.

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I too am one of the dummies, though I was enticed by the screen. Has anyone found a good use for it besides a paperweight?

Make it a donation to a charity such as Salvation Army ... they will appreciate it!

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But is it even worthy of the poor schmuck who buys it at S.A.?
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