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post #181 of 383 Old 05-03-2011, 11:12 PM
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I think you need lensshift projectors to go passive.

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Well, for crying out loud, when is this thing going to be available already? I am eager to try this unit out if it is not too silly expensive above other units. If so, I may be back to examining the 3d solution with the 1920X1080 units. Matter of fact, if they get that working right for 3d on the higher def units I will go that route so perhaps waiting is best for me.

It's supposed to be released this month I read.
Aren't the 1080p 3D projectors 60hz though?
All I'm interested in with the BD is whether the 3D mode looks brighter/more dynamic than its predecessor, if not then it's prob not worth upgrading, just buy a 3DXL or VIP instead.
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I think you need lensshift projectors to go passive.

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and a reflective screen right?
LG are the only ones I can think of with a consumer model passive 3D projector but at $10k++ it's certainly not worth it given the lack of 3D content. I like the idea of only paying a few bucks for a set of glasses though!
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inefekt -- First, "Aren't the 1080p 3D projectors 60hz though?", the answer is No. Most films are shot at 24fps (= 24Hz frame rate = default Blu-Ray coding). Most PJs double this to 48Hz and smoother dispaly occurs if a higher multiple is used. Since the USA has 60Hz power, an even higher display frequency may be used. Acer has the best performance, for 3D, when using a 120Hz (5x the 24Hz frame rate) display rate.

Secondly, the Passive system requires a special "Silver" screen, which is an added expense (which has "hotspots" for 2D movies). Using a <$1000 PJ plus several hundred for glasses, and a normal screen, seems to be a lot less money than a $10K+ PJ plus a special screen. Which is more economical? I'll take the lower cost option every time, thank you.

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hi
i just bought one,i have sam bd-d7500,a pc with ati 6850 hd,the question is:what more,do i need to watch 3d on this projector?,will the sam Bluetooth glasses be enough?
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where did you buy it, USA?
you need to use DLP Link glasses.
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where did you buy it, USA?
you need to use DLP Link glasses.
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I bought it from amazon.de,shipped to UK



http://www.amazon.de/Acer-H5360BD-DL...f=pd_rhf_p_t_1
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Here is the page in english. Good reviews so far.
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Here is the page in english. Good reviews so far.

Hmmmm 699Euros converts to $995 at today's rate. Not so sure I will want to jump on this at that price when the regular unit + convertor will come in cheaper.

Anyone heard any news on availability dates? I contacted Acer support via chat and asked about availability in the US. They had no information for me. Called Amazon and they also had no info.

I suspect with the arrival of the Sharp 1080p 3D PJ that other manufacturers will try to get in on that bandwagon real soon and undercut that price. I may just be better off waiting as the 720p units will come down even more.

I just cannot understand the delay. I wonder if they are finalizing firmware for the US units to ensure compatablility with the various broadcast formats here? Are these units made in Japan or Taiwan?
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699 Euro is with VAT. If you ship outside Europe, the VAT is not applicable. You can try to put it into the shopping cart to find out the final price with shipping + import tax if applicable.

Been watching 3D Movies and playing 3D gaming for 1 month without any major issue. The projector is not very good in 2D compare to a good 1080p 2D projector but once in 3D, it transform into a different beast. You will not feel that it is a 720p projector due to the left and right eye offset and combine smooth out the edge.
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I thought I read somewhere that the 5360 does better with 2D than the new 5360BD. I also agree it's better to just get the 5360 and add a converter or wait for a different brand. Only 4 months until cedia.
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I just can't imagine using the 5360 for 2D. I guess if you got a ND2 filter to cut down the brightness it would be ok.

cedia.... yumm. Really can't wait for that.
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I just can't imagine using the 5360 for 2D. I guess if you got a ND2 filter to cut down the brightness it would be ok.

cedia.... yumm. Really can't wait for that.

Really, Id be interested to know more about why you don't like the 2D? I have my 5360 pointed at a 106" hi-power screen and I "think" I like the picture better than my HD1000 (which has a blacked out color wheel). I'm still experimenting but even though the black level might not be as good the shadow definition more than makes up for it.
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Man, I'm really interested in this. How come there is no word on a U.S. release? Also, how hard is it really for any other company to come out with an HDMI 1.4a 3D projector? I don't understand the hold-up.
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Man, I'm really interested in this. How come there is no word on a U.S. release? Also, how hard is it really for any other company to come out with an HDMI 1.4a 3D projector? I don't understand the hold-up.

That's exactly what I want to know and why I visit this board several times a day. No one here seems to know when this thing will hit stateside. Was hearing April at some point, but it just seemed like people were guessing and now it's nearly June with still no news.
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I don't get it either. I finally gave up and got a large Mitsubishi. I didn't want to deal with computers or converter boxes.

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I don't get it either. I finally gave up and got a large Mitsubishi. I didn't want to deal with computers or converter boxes.
I am with you on this as well. Nothing on this PJ yet. I almost bought the Sharp VX-Z1700 the other day but chickened out. It is quite a bit more coin but has some really good reviews and is of course 1080P. I have a feeling we are going to see some more 1080P 3D PJs out soon driving down costs on those units and don't want to have buyer's remorse.

Now I have seen a 720P PJ in my house and can say I knew it was 720P on that big screen. I have about convinced myself I need a 1080P unit but for the cost of the Sharp I could get a 5360BD and a $1k priced 1080P unit and still save over $1k. What is wrong with this picture folks?

Once again, I must not be seeing the big picture! Pun intended.
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Cedia is coming soon. That will be interesting.
I don't ever see one projector being good for 2D and 3D, since 3D cuts light by ~60%, so I wouldn't hesitate to go dual projecoters, which I did. 720P isn't good enough for 2D, but it is fine for 3D.
I tried my acer 5360 in 2D but it was simply blinding. 2500 lumens is way too much for 2D. The resolution was bad too.
Another problem now is no projector handles 1080p60 in 3D, only 1080p24. That isn't enough for gaming. The only current solution for this is a dual passive system, which is no small effort to set up. I tried playing World of Warcraft on my 3D projector, but text at 720p just doesn't work on a 120" screen.
Hopefully we will see some good stuff at Cedia in a few months.
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here is a polarized 2 lens 3d projector for cheap: $1300.00US aliexpress dot fm-store 206255 210965501-436551242 3D-home-theater-3D-commercial-cinema-3D-floating-theater
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wow that is scary "support HD 3D, notebook 3D, 3D game and so on you can easily enjoy 3D not to change your OS or video card"
Led lamp and LCOS? seems unlikely. 1024x768. eww. Seems like someone could make something decent like that. I Like how the LG projector sends both eyes through the same lens though.
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I thought I read somewhere that the 5360 does better with 2D than the new 5360BD. I also agree it's better to just get the 5360 and add a converter or wait for a different brand. Only 4 months until cedia.

Cedia 2010 came and went and we're not in much better shape than when someone said the same thing you said now (but 1 year ago...wait for Cedia).
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Well, nobody had 3D projectors last year, now that some are out the prospects are much better for cedia this year.
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Nickb, sorry missed your question "Really, Id be interested to know more about why you don't like the 2D? I have my 5360 pointed at a 106" hi-power screen"
My Vutec Silverstar is rated at 6 gain. With my 1k lumen 1080p projector it looks like a plasma. With the 2500 lumen 5360 it actually hurt my eyes. I had to squint till my eyes got used to it and I never really could. It is sure awesome for 3D though.
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Well, nobody had 3D projectors last year, now that some are out the prospects are much better for cedia this year.

Not to mention the 5360BD is selling in Europe and not here. That is beginning to really chap my arse. I am about to say screw Acer for this but not really as I believe they are trying to dump their regular 5360 inventory before offering this here. Offering it at the expo this year would be like a slap in the face for us Americans and if that is the case I may buy something else out of principle. Just saying I would have one of these by now but for some reason NO. There better be a good reason but I am sure there isn't. Perhaps it does not really work like it ought to here and they would be exposed immediately. Not saying Europeans are dumb but why is this thing not for sale here? I am sick of waiting for it! Looking at other options.
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Nickb, sorry missed your question "Really, Id be interested to know more about why you don't like the 2D? I have my 5360 pointed at a 106" hi-power screen"
My Vutec Silverstar is rated at 6 gain. With my 1k lumen 1080p projector it looks like a plasma. With the 2500 lumen 5360 it actually hurt my eyes. I had to squint till my eyes got used to it and I never really could. It is sure awesome for 3D though.

Or you can watch in 2D with sunglasses

I had a friend after viewing H5360BD, he bought a HD67. He mention that he see rainbow with HD67 while didn't see any with H5360BD. But his screen is smaller around 90" compare to my 114". He also mention HD67 seems brighter to him. I suspect either due to the increase brightness that make RBE more visible or Acer H5360BD Colorboost 3D does utilize the extra segment of the color wheel that make rainbow less visible.
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I am also tired of waiting for the USA release. I am seriously considering order from a German online shop. The price is not too bad, about 651 euro, including shipping to USA. By reading the user manual, the projector can autoswitch 110/220, so my thinking is to change the plug, or get an adaptor. Anyone care to share an opinion on this, or see any problem. I can see one possible down side is whether warranty will be honored by acer or not.
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I am also tired of waiting for the USA release. I am seriously considering order from a German online shop. The price is not too bad, about 651 euro, including shipping to USA. By reading the user manual, the projector can autoswitch 110/220, so my thinking is to change the plug, or get an adaptor. Anyone care to share an opinion on this, or see any problem. I can see one possible down side is whether warranty will be honored by acer or not.

I would have to say wait. I have not had much luck with dual voltage electronics that I brought back from overseas. The cycle system(HZ) just never seems to work out here in the US while it worked fine overseas. Maybe things have changed over the years but my best example is a digital timer/clock, Sansui, that never kept proper time here in the US despite a switch on the back. Also, I suspect there is another reason for the delayed release here. It may be that there is an unresolved issue and if that is the case, Kudos to Acer for fixing it before selling here. If that is the case, the Euro unit will be garbage here and we won't even need to talk warranty.
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I thought I read somewhere that the 5360 does better with 2D than the new 5360BD. I also agree it's better to just get the 5360 and add a converter or wait for a different brand. Only

All the references to the USA street price and release date that I have found on the internet originate with pure speculation on someone's part. Acer refuses to give any useful information to their potential customers. This is very bad way to start a relationship with these customers if the product is indeed ever released in the USA; I am starting to have my doubts. It is also becoming very unlikely that there will be many customers left by the time they finally release it.

I might as well add my speculative reason for the delay; I think it has something to do with the price point. You can buy a H5360 for around $580.00US and a Viewsonic VP3D1 for $261US with free pair 3D glasses, both with free shipping to the USA. This comes to $841 minus $100 for the glasses for a net cost value of $741US. I believe that Acer is having problems producing the projector in large USA market quantities at a competitive street price that would need to be below $750US.
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It probably wouldn't be the same as US release but I have been emailing Acer Canada for the last month ( 6 times now ) trying to find an estimated ETA and so far have not received a reply. Not even a "Sorry we have no info at this time". I could sort of understand if they were slating it as a European product only but the Acer Canada site has the product as one of their March 2011 Press Releases.
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... I believe they are trying to dump their regular 5360 inventory before offering this here ...

Just speculation or do you have evidence? Is the H5360 still for sale in Europe? My understanding was that both models would be offered concurrently (since they're targeted at different audiences). Thus no native 3D Vision support in the H5360BD version.
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