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I've looked at the specs for the HD33 vs. HD3300, and the HD33 is rated at 4000:1 full on and off, and the HD3300 rated at 3000:1, but in the general PR release it says 5000:1. I suspect the light engine on the HD3300 has been modified to increase apparent brightness for 3D, but has ISF controls to increase contrast that the HD33 does not. Price on the HD3300 will be $1995 vx. $1495 for HD33. That extra programming control would only be worth it if you had the tools to use it. Or it could all be just a PR play and no difference except warranty.
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I've looked at the specs for the HD33 vs. HD3300, and the HD33 is rated at 4000:1 full on and off, and the HD3300 rated at 3000:1, but in the general PR release it says 5000:1. I suspect the light engine on the HD3300 has been modified to increase apparent brightness for 3D, but has ISF controls to increase contrast that the HD33 does not. Price on the HD3300 will be $1995 vx. $1495 for HD33. That extra programming control would only be worth it if you had the tools to use it. Or it could all be just a PR play and no difference except warranty.

Interesting point of view. I am in the process of choosing which way to go between the two and while the price difference is not that great, I wouldn't want to pay for features I may never be able to use.
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I tend to agree with what you said there threed regarding apparent differences between the 33/3300.

Optoma have a history with this sort of marketing they did it with the HD65/700x HD20/200x HD66/600x.All these pj's had different specs on paper were all black/white and the white ones had 3yr warranty where the black had 1yr warranty and the white ones were £100-£200 more expensive (in the UK).

I think you can take it both pj's will be the same in reality so save some $$$ and go for the cheaper model.Other than the extra programming control there would seem to be no reason for paying the extra.
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DLPlink requires a white/clear segment flash. Slower wheels have a clear segment for this. For this to happen with RGB/RGB, I'm assuming it's done through combined color flash--which would require a faster wheel, so another reason for 6x wheel--my opinion.

In the 3D sub-forum there is a link to a slow motion playback of a DLP disply. The flash looks blue. Wonder if the "white" flash is actually just one color.



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I've looked at the specs for the HD33 vs. HD3300, and the HD33 is rated at 4000:1 full on and off, and the HD3300 rated at 3000:1, but in the general PR release it says 5000:1. I suspect the light engine on the HD3300 has been modified to increase apparent brightness for 3D, but has ISF controls to increase contrast that the HD33 does not. Price on the HD3300 will be $1995 vx. $1495 for HD33. That extra programming control would only be worth it if you had the tools to use it. Or it could all be just a PR play and no difference except warranty.

Not what the specs on Optoma's site say. They show 5,000:1 and 2,000 lumens for the 3300 and 4,000:1 and 1,800 lumens for the 33.
http://www.optomausa.com/products/detail/HD3300
http://www.optomausa.com/products/detail/HD33

I have owned four projectors.
Epson HC400 only owned one year before selling. Had zero problems with this projector.

Marantz VP-12S4. A little over a year the auto calibration cap stopped working. Marantz replaced the electronic calibration cap. At 1.5 years the lamp failed. A new lamp was $575, warranty paid for it. No idea how much the electronic calibration cap would have cost. I still have this projector.

Planar PD-7130. First year the projector had to be sent in for repair. In year two the projector had to be sent in for repair 4 or 5 times for the following: excessive fan noise, dust blob and HDMI sync problem. The fan problem kept coming back. At 2.5 years of age the Planar was turned over to my son for gaming only because of excessive fan noise. I won't use it for movies. Not about to send it in for repair, an out of warranty repair almost always costs more than the value of the projector.

Viewsonic Pro8100. First year it had to be sent in for an image problem. Have not gotten to year two yet, but the projector has a 3 yr warranty.

Maybe your luck with projectors is better than mine, but to me a warranty is very important. I would never consider buying a projector without a warranty and the warranty, along with the customer service is something everybody should take into consideration.
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For those who use Amex (atleast some Amex cards, I guess), you can extend the warranty by one year.

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Extended Warranty1 can extend the terms of the original U.S. manufacturer's warranty for up to one additional year on eligible purchases with warranties of 5 years or less, when the eligible purchase is charged to the Card.

With 2 year bulb warranty, for me this almost assures one bulb replacement. Only question is - do I want to keep this projector for 4 years.

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The 3000:1 contrast for hd3300 was in some early specs, so perhaps they've improved it some. The 2000 lumens is really suspect, though.
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The 3000:1 contrast for hd3300 was in some early specs, so perhaps they've improved it some. The 2000 lumens is really suspect, though.





Aren't all manufacture specs that way? You have to take them with a grain of salt.
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how is 2D IQ of optoma HD33 compared with epson 8350? the black level of HD33 is good or only average?
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Is this projector compatible with Panasonic 3D glasses? Because I purchased Panasonic 3D glasses for my Panasonic 3D TV, I really don't want to invest additional money in more glasses.

Before having children I could afford this stuff.
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Is the HC4000 a better option for 2D over the HD33 in a blacked out room ? Would the ND filter on the HD33 completely outperform the HC4000 in terms of black level ?

Is the HD33 sharper than the HD20 ? Or the same ?

So many questions.
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Many have questioned the 720p at 120hz input solution vs. 1080p at 120hz, and therefore putting off buying the HD33. But if you are already using the ACER 5360, you are limited to 720p at 120hz anyway, so moving to the HD33 is a wash for PC use, but you get all the glory of using seeing upscaled 1080p and use of 3D bluray at it's best, so I'm thinking it's definitely a win/win. I have a Mits 3800 for 2D and an ACER 5360 for 3D and a 3DXL, and would like to get rid of all of it for one 3D 1080p 1.4a projector, and I can still use my PC at 720p 120hz for watching my Fuji 3D and scanned 3D slides. Makes a lot of sense to me IF (big IF), the HD33 shows as well as the Mits 3800 in 2D.
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Would the ND filter on the HD33 completely outperform the HC4000 in terms of black level ?

It looks like you are confusing two things. On/Off CR and black level. A projector may have far better on/off CR but have a higher black level. Black level per say has nothing to do with the "quality". If I take a FP with poor on/off CR, but use it with a screen that is far too large for it, the black level could be very good (because the projector does not have the lumens to proper illuminate it), but the on/off will still stink. Conversely if I take a projector with a decent amount of lumens and excellent on/off CR, but use it in a screen far too small, then the black level will be higher than some inferior projectors. You can put an ND filter on any projector and improve its black level, but you will not improve its on/off CR, and very likely hamper its ANSI CR.

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from what i read HD33 have the same black level than HD20 (so not close to mitsu HC3800) but HD33 have a much better color reproduction than HD20.
still im waiting for the only review i trust from projectorreview...

reviews from projectorcentral and others are always very superficial.
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It looks like you are confusing two things. On/Off CR and black level. A projector may have far better on/off CR but have a higher black level. Black level per say has nothing to do with the "quality".

No sure, you are right. But some are saying that adding the filter doesn't really hamper the white levels too much at all, but the improvement in black has been improved considerably. I don't expect a filter to improve contrast. It will dim the image somewhat. But if you recalibrate your settings, I think adding a filter might be worthwhile.

There is a pic in the other HD20 thread which shows a nice improvement in black level...on a pitch black screen showing the Lucasart logo. I don't know how much the overall CR ratio is affected but it shows a nice improvement to me. So naturally some projectors need help in that department. The HD20 is not known to be particularly great for blacks. Neither is the HC4000, but it's better. Not sure how much better, but that's another question altogether.
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mitsubishi hc4000 black level are well above from hd20 from what i have read in projectorreview.
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Page 50 of the HD3300 owner's manual has a chart with the various resolutions for 2D and 1080p24 is indeed mentioned. It's also referenced for 3D on page 51.

It will accept and display 24p but it doesn't say if it displays it at 60p using 3:2 pulldown or 120p by repeating each frame 5 times, or at 120p by using frame interpolation. Repeating each frame 5 times would be the ideal option but the manual doesn't say.

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My bet is the HD33 equals the HC3800 in black levels, especially with improved color, and they have the same chip (DC2). Probably no match for the HC4000 (DC3), but reviews will tell in due time.
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Does anyone know if Bestbuy will get this and when?

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Would it be worth upgrading from a HC3800 ?

How is the sharpness on this projector ?
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It's very sharp, I was able to get the dark area around each pinhead pixel very clean and sharp with full amplitude (a Greg Rodgers quote). You'll need two people to get to the perfect sharpness spot on the focus, one turns the focus ring other eyeballs the pixel grid.

Just look at this shot, this is before I had an assistant to help me get the sweet spot on focus. It must be a very good lens to get that clear.
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I have owned four projectors.
Epson HC400 only owned one year before selling. Had zero problems with this projector.

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Maybe your luck with projectors is better than mine, but to me a warranty is very important. I would never consider buying a projector without a warranty and the warranty, along with the customer service is something everybody should take into consideration.

Thanks for your advice on importance of warranty. One can always get a 3 year squaretrade warranty even for HD33 (It doesnt cover the bulb replacement I think).
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You'll need two people to get to the perfect sharpness spot on the focus, one turns the focus ring other eyeballs the pixel grid.

If you use binoculars you can do it by yourself. Cheap ones will do fine.

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Thanks for your advice on importance of warranty. One can always get a 3 year squaretrade warranty even for HD33 (It doesnt cover the bulb replacement I think).

By the time that you pay for a three year warranty for the HD33 and a two year warranty on the lamp you are probably at the HD3300's price and you are using an after market warranty.
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You mean the PJ itself will cut it down or the glasses ?

guitarman, did you try the dual-tune to make 3D as bright as 2D ?

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If you use binoculars you can do it by yourself. Cheap ones will do fine.

Can't do that anymore eyesite ain't what it use to be.

3D is already brighter than 2D by 500 lumens. I won't mess with it because it's tuned by Optoma for when you have the glasses on. If you were to look at it on say the contrast patterns you would see crushing in the highs for the color red. But when you use the glasses that balances out. Until Joe Kane comes up with a 3D DVE it's best to leave the projector at factory 3D settings.

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Would it be worth upgrading from a HC3800 ?

How is the sharpness on this projector ?

They are both dark chip 2, and it looks like the HD33 is super sharp. I have a HC3800, and my guess is they are pretty close contrast wise as well--especially after seeing Guitarman's pic. If you have a HC4000 (dark chip 3), it's going to have more black level.
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ProjectorReviews.com HD33 review is up...most of it anyway.

But I dont have enough posts to include a link...lol.
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Having used the ACER 5360 at 2000 measured lumens for 3D for about 6 months, and reading the review that the best the HD33 can do is 1148 lumens, I think I'll skip on it and keep my Mits3800/ACER5360 combo for now. I have a 142" 1.3 gain screen, and I'm sure the loss of lumens would not be tolerable. I see the ACER as just making it for comfortable brightness for me now. You'll definitely need to consider this if you are going bigger than 100" 1.0 screen. Would definitely need to go with Dalite HP (2.4 gain) to be respectable in 3D IMHO.
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I looked back through the projectorsreview.com HD33 test, and did I miss his measured lumens for 3D?...or is it just understood to be the same as his 2D numbers?
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