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How bad would this look with keystone adjustment? I would like to try a DLP like this one, but my ht setup is in the basement and the ceiling is low. I currently have a ceiling mounted Sanyo Z3 and plan on upgrading to a 1080p pj, maybe with 3D. If this projector had lens shift I would probably try one.

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120hz 1080p?

Here's Wings answer re 720p 120hz.

"It can take 720p at 120Hz signal and internally upconvert to 1080p 120hz but it cannot take 1080p at 120Hz signal from external source -not part of HDMI 1,4a 3D format

- current Bu-ray 3D format is frame packing 1080p at 24 Hz - as according to HDMI 1.4a - user has the choice to keep it at 24 Hz or add frame interpolation."

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How bad would this look with keystone adjustment? I would like to try a DLP like this one, but my ht setup is in the basement and the ceiling is low. I currently have a ceiling mounted Sanyo Z3 and plan on upgrading to a 1080p pj, maybe with 3D. If this projector had lens shift I would probably try one.

Although I am against using digital keystone adjustments, the HD33 will have ± 5° Vertical adjust, assuming your projector didn't have to be tilted more than that, it would look decent in all but PC desktop applications in my opinion. I have heard forums members say that they cannot tell in movies or sports that it is on, a few say they can see it.
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Here's Wings answer re 720p 120hz.

"It can take 720p at 120Hz signal and internally upconvert to 1080p 120hz but it cannot take 1080p at 120Hz signal from external source -"

What a shame, guess i'll stick with my acer 5360 for now then.
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Here's Wings answer re 720p 120hz.

"It can take 720p at 120Hz signal and internally upconvert to 1080p 120hz but it cannot take 1080p at 120Hz signal from external source -not part of HDMI 1,4a 3D format

- current Bu-ray 3D format is frame packing 1080p at 24 Hz - as according to HDMI 1.4a - user has the choice to keep it at 24 Hz or add frame interpolation."

So this will not take a 1920x1080 120hz signal via VGA port (or any other way)? Would be nice to run 3d games from the computer as well as the ps3. My HD70 is still hanging on with the original bulb after 4 years and 3500hrs, so when that finally goes this will likely be the replacement. I can make do with 720p 4xAA in 3d (currently doing that with the HD70 at 30hz/eye anyway) but would prefer 1080p from the computer. Can't wait to see some reviews, but knowing how much I've enjoyed the HD70 this seems like the perfect replacement.
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So this will not take a 1920x1080 120hz signal via VGA port (or any other way)? Would be nice to run 3d games from the computer as well as the ps3. My HD70 is still hanging on with the original bulb after 4 years and 3500hrs, so when that finally goes this will likely be the replacement. I can make do with 720p 4xAA in 3d (currently doing that with the HD70 at 30hz/eye anyway) but would prefer 1080p from the computer. Can't wait to see some reviews, but knowing how much I've enjoyed the HD70 this seems like the perfect replacement.

Optoma finally posted the manual online. Seems there is a setting within it (page 28) called "PureMotion" which looks to be some sort of frame-interpolation feature, like taking a 60Hz input and displaying at 120Hz. It supports the mandatory HDMI 1.4a specs and I also took a snippet from it for the supported 3D inputs chart within it:

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I hope the reviewer gives a good comparison to the HD33 against the current crop of 3D ready projectors in actual 3D mode (brightness, contrast ratios and percieved resolution). Is the 1800 lumen spec in 2D or 3D mode? 1800 lumens may be a little dim for 3D in some installations when adding for losses with the current line-up of glasses, etc..
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I hope the reviewer gives a good comparison to the HD33 against the current crop of 3D ready projectors in actual 3D mode (brightness, contrast ratios and percieved resolution). Is the 1800 lumen spec in 2D or 3D mode? 1800 lumens may be a little dim for 3D in some installations when adding for losses with the current line-up of glasses, etc..

The current crop of native 3D 1080p projectors are up in the next sub-forum, CEDIA may or may not change that soon though. The initial lumens output rating is for both modes, that doesn't change until individual calibrations and real-world measurements are done by the particular user for each mode. The final fL's from the screen will also change depending on screen size, gain, and throw, while further modified by the glasses. Room light-control is now more important than ever in my opinion for users who utilize 3D.
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I have noticed that the HD33 uses the DarkChip2 while the HD8300 as well as the Sharp XV-Z17000 uses the DarkChip3. So should we expect that the contrast and black level of the HD33 will be similar to the HD20, which also used the DarkChip2?
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I have noticed that the HD33 uses the DarkChip2 while the HD8300 as well as the Sharp XV-Z17000 uses the DarkChip3. So should we expect that the contrast and black level of the HD33 will be similar to the HD20, which also used the DarkChip2?

They cost 2-3x as much too. I have the HD20 now and will be getting this soon but in my situation,

Affordable 3D 1080p > Slightly increased black-levels from the DC3

I am sure Optoma's target customers for the HD33 think similarly, other's opinions may differ though.
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this looks exciting with the built in RF and 3 pin vesa port for 'bring your own IR emitter'.

I wonder if the RF is based on the Bit Cauldron glasses

http://www.bitcauldron.com/products/...es/bc3000.html

same as my Monster Vision 3D glasses. I already have a pair if this is the case. otherwise, it wouldn't matter since it has the 3 pin, I could just hook up the emitter and it should work.

it's a bummer about the offset, these are difficult to use with High Power screens. I don't like using keystone but used to do with with my Acer 5360 so I can get max gain by putting the projector dead center on the screen, 6" above eye level.

This projectors big brother is going to have be price similar to the JVC RS40, Sony HW30 and Panasonic 7000 to compete in the 3-3.5k price range.

thanks for all the info posted so far. 1080P 3D DLP, 6x color wheel, builtin RF transmitter @ only 1.4k street sounds great!!
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Tracking number says it will show tomorrow. I picked up a Sony player and two movies today, this will be the first new 3D I've seen. Wing says it looks spectacular with 1080p movies. I do have a high power screen, a Silverstar also. I'm going to use a low table mount to the HP screen in the cone picking up 3x gain. I'll measure the light coming off the projector with a light meter.

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What's in the Box

This package includes the Optoma HD33 Projector, one remote control with batteries, RF emitter for 3D glasses, one composite video cable, one lens cap, an A/C power cord, multilingual CD-ROM user's manual, quick-start card and warranty card.

emitter dosnt seem to be built in

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Tracking number says it will show tomorrow. I picked up a Sony player and two movies today, this will be the first new 3D I've seen. Wing says it looks spectacular with 1080p movies. I do have a high power screen, a Silverstar also. I'm going to use a low table mount to the HP screen in the cone picking up 3x gain. I'll measure the light coming off the projector with a light meter.

Hmmm ... wonder whether I should get into DLP again. Haven't had DLP for a few years now.

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I have one of these -was sold as a key for nvidas when used with early drivers(seen as the usb emitter by nvidia) and a pair of bullit proof glasses(dlp1) on amazon.
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They cost 2-3x as much too. I have the HD20 now and will be getting this soon but in my situation,

Affordable 3D 1080p > Slightly increased black-levels from the DC3

I am sure Optoma's target customers for the HD33 think similarly, other's opinions may differ though.

Makes sense. I cannot believe that the DC3 should be that much more. Maybe next year it'll come down.

Only problem with me is I am used to DC3 in my Mits HC4000 and Acer H5360.
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How do you guys know it is a 6x speed color wheel, I do not see any mention of the color wheel speed, only that it has a 6-segment color wheel.

I doubt it would be bright enough with a 6x speed color wheel, I bet it's 4x and 6 segment.


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How do you guys know it is a 6x speed color wheel, I do not see any mention of the color wheel speed, only that it has a 6-segment color wheel.

I doubt it would be bright enough with a 6x speed color wheel, I bet it's 4x and 6 segment.

I am curious about it as well, but with an RGBRGB wheel, it wouldn't be too hard to achieve a 6X speed at 60Hz. All they would have to do is increase the wheel RPM's from 7,200 to 10,800 (10,800rpm/3,600fpm=3X speed...two sets of RGB's make it a 6X speed) ....the two RGB primaries refreshing color every revolution makes it easy and not too drastic of lumens loss, if anything the real culprit could be the noise and bearing life in that case as it has been in the past with some manufacturers.

Unless Guitarman made a typo, I am assuming that came from his contact with Optoma.
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The engineer that makes them told me it's 6xspeed rgb/rgb.

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The engineer that makes them told me it's 6xspeed rgb/rgb.

Awesome, highly looking forward to your review btw.
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Please do a sharpness test as well, many reviewers leave this out.


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The Optoma BG-3DRFSYSTEM includes both an RF emitter and one pair of RF glasses (glasses and emitter are also available for purchase separately). By plugging the emitter into the VESA 3D port on a compatible projector and putting on the glasses, users can experience 3D action and content delivered from a 3D gaming system, satellite television or Blu-Ray player. com The glasses, which are powered by rechargeable batteries, can be used up to 70 hours between charges and can be recharged in 3.5 hours. RF glasses operate well at long distances (up to 150 feet) making this technology a good choice in a large venue.

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High contrast ratio, high uniformity and fast response time for an optimal 3D experience
RF synchronization delivers uninterrupted performance
Appropriate for large venues - 150-foot operational range
Designed for Optoma projectors with 3D VESA inputs
50 Hz to 240 Hz capable for 3D compatible displays today and in the future
Robust rechargeable battery - Use up to 70 hours between charges and get full charge in 3.5 hours
Low-cost maintenance - Up to 1,000 charges on each battery
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So it's looking as if this unit will not work with Nvidia 3D vision for 1080p gaming (only sending 720p will work)... bummer!

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They sent me the HD3300 stats are the same as the HD33.

I did a lumens test and tuned for cinema 2D it'a 1200 lumens on a 106" no gain screen. Set at factory for 3D it's 1900lumens. Times in your screen gain for total lumens.

My wife and I looked at Alice in Wonderland 3D/1080p and we were both astonished, best 3D I've seen since I was a Kid looking at House of Wax. Brightness is great dark stuff looks good with good shadow detail, colors look natural you won't need a ISF tune up it looks fine. Sharpness is great didn't notice and color fringing on the line grid.

I have to get one of these puppies. I'll be back with some pictures you know fifth element etc, stuff you know what the colors should look like.

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Thanks for the quick update. Would you say that 2d performance would be the same as the HD20?
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I did a lumens test and tuned for cinema 2D it'a 1000 lumens on a 106" no gain screen.

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What kind of gain screen would be perfect for this?
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Any thoughts on the CR?

Hey I've been viewing a 1080p LCD lately and it's refreshing to see a good DLP again. Haven't checked but I love the tight image a good DLP has to offer. Numbers I don't have yet but visually right now I love it. Welcome back old friend Mr. DLP.

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What kind of gain screen would be perfect for this?

This is a high lumens projector buts it's good to have back up. A 3x high power if you can install the PJ low like I did would be more than enough. Even a straight 1.3 gain would be ok, but as the lamp wears well you see where I'm coming from. Make a good pick on gain, the 6x on the silver star might be a little too much but sure looked nice.

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