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This is looking interesting enough - I need to figure out soon whether to buy a lamp for my Sanyo PLV-Z2000 or upgrade to a 3D projector.

Only problem with DLPs is the lack of lens shift. That is the reason I quit on them 6 years back. I'm now thinking may be I can make it work ...

When is the HD 33 available for retail sale ? Or is it available already ?

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2D pictures tuned with DVE only needed contrast and brightness changes color pattern was fine blue filter showed balance. Contrast had to be brought down to -18 to avoid white clipping.

Nice contrast in the Twin Pines Mall shot.
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looks awesome ! whats the brightness level and did you use your 6x silver screen ? how would this look on a white mate 1.0 gain screen ?
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Screenshots look beautiful, nice detail.

How is the new 'Puremotion' FI they have on it?
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Brightness was put down to -3 the point where the darker brightness bar is barely visiable. At factory brightness was at plus 5 and the darker brightness bar was way too visiable.

After this tuning movies I know all looked great and with a nice 1080p res. That's what people were looking for a 3D projector that covers both 3D and 2D nicely and cheap.

Pictures were on a Silverstar screen. That kind of gain is good for the 3D but very strong for 2D. I mean 6000 lumens is off the charts, wierd still the blacks looked fine for me like in the Twin Pines Mall screen shot.

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i hope this is bright enough in 3D on a 1.0 screen !

any thoughts on glasses ?
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I know they worked good no problems they're suposed to be the same as the Monster glasses, same technology.

I don't know what the rule is but 1400 lumens at 106" is a pretty high level. If they say to do 3D right an image has to be say twice as bright 1400 lumens has got it covered. Not many PJ users get 700 lumens out of their projectors.

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I'm disappointed that there is no 1080p 3D mode at 60Hz. Yes, it is irrelevant with blu ray and PS3, but it's kind of a deal breaker if you are a PC gamer (I plan on getting a gaming rig sometime).
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"It can take 720p at 120Hz signal and internally upconvert to 1080p 120hz but it cannot take 1080p at 120Hz signal from external source –not part of HDMI 1,4a 3D format

– current Bu-ray 3D format is frame packing 1080p at 24 Hz – as according to HDMI 1.4a – user has the choice to keep it at 24 Hz or add frame interpolation."

Wing was saying most all 3D games are 720p 120hz, so these will be upconverted to 1080p 120hz by the projector. I almost bought Crisis II 3D xbox 360 for at test so I guess that game is 720p 120hz also, anybody know?

Also It looks like he's saying direct 1080p 120hz is not part of the HDMI 1.4a format.

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the image quality in 2D will be at least as good as Mitsu HC4000?
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I'm disappointed that there is no 1080p 3D mode at 60Hz. Yes, it is irrelevant with blu ray and PS3, but it's kind of a deal breaker if you are a PC gamer (I plan on getting a gaming rig sometime).

That is going to be the holy grail for PC gamers who want full 1080P @ 120hz.

not sure if we'll see this in 2012, PC gamers might be too small of a market to add this in.
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PC Gamers will probably have to wait for DisplayPort as HDMI does not have the bandwidth for 1080p 120Hz. Serious PC gamers avoid scaling like the plague.
The H5360 will keep me going until then.
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the image quality in 2D will be at least as good as Mitsu HC4000?

I doubt it. It will probably be more like the Optoma HD20 based on the DC2 chip.
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I doubt it. It will probably be more like the Optoma HD20 based on the DC2 chip.

mitsu HC4000 image quality is much better than optoma HD20. hope HD33 at least have a bit better image quality in 2D than HD20.
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Can you check out the VGA input support 1080p 60hz or 120hz in 3D.
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By the way, Alice in Wonderland 3D was a great choice for a first movie on the new projector.

I doubted we would get a projector good for both 2D and 3D this year. Glad to be wrong. And just as my Panny 900 starts to die...

Optima has been leading budget 3D projection since it started. It is like Infocus did at the start of 2D projection, for those that remember.
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Can you check out the VGA input support 1080p 60hz or 120hz in 3D.

Maybe but right now the setup is in the garage / no computer there. If I setup in the house I could run a VGA over to it. Wing did say it works though.

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Screenshots look beautiful, nice detail.

How is the new 'Puremotion' FI they have on it?

I'm wondering how this does with HD sports, and high motion as well. Been able to view any preseason NFL games guitarman?

Also, qualitatively, what would you compare the 2D picture to as far as other projectors you have seen?

A couple other quick questions... the HD20 had a lot of light leak from the projector, is the same true with the HD33? And how loud is it? That was another strike against the HD20 and I'll have this projector right above my head so I'm a bit worried about the noise. Thanks!
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I know they worked good no problems they're suposed to be the same as the Monster glasses, same technology.

I don't know what the rule is but 1400 lumens at 106" is a pretty high level. If they say to do 3D right an image has to be say twice as bright 1400 lumens has got it covered. Not many PJ users get 700 lumens out of their projectors.

3D cuts the lumens down a lot more than half. Usually you only get 1/4 to 1/3 of the lumens.
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3D cuts the lumens down a lot more than half. Usually you only get 1/4 to 1/3 of the lumens.

You mean the PJ itself will cut it down or the glasses ?

guitarman, did you try the dual-tune to make 3D as bright as 2D ?
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Both. 3d modes drops lumens on the pj itself. Glasses on drops it more. Thus the 75% light loss.
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Guitarman, a few members have asked whether the image quality on the HD33 is noticeably better than the Optoma HD20. What are your opinions on this ?

Have the blacks improved ? Sharpness ? I know they are using the same Darkchip 2 but perhaps the way they've implemented it in the new unit might be superior ? Your thoughts would be appreciated.
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Guitarman, a few members have asked whether the image quality on the HD33 is noticeably better than the Optoma HD20. What are your opinions on this ?

Have the blacks improved ? Sharpness ? I know they are using the same Darkchip 2 but perhaps the way they've implemented it in the new unit might be superior ? Your thoughts would be appreciated.

im very interested in this. if HD33 and HD20 have same IQ in 2D i will pass this projector.
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im very interested in this. if HD33 and HD20 have same IQ in 2D i will pass this projector.

If you look at the pics he posted above, that doesn't seem to be the case... but this is really what I'm trying to figure out as well.
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You mean the PJ itself will cut it down or the glasses ?

guitarman, did you try the dual-tune to make 3D as bright as 2D ?

3D tuning showed 400 more lumens 1680 vs 1200 for 2D on my screen. I left the contrast setting for 3D at factory and just tuned the brightness level down because the lighter black bar of the brightness pattern was way to light, you would lose black level if you didn't fix this.

By the way I have to say that when watching 3D I don't know why but the CR level looks to be 1000000.1 wierd.

For 2D and what I remember of the HD20 they would be pretty much the same with maybe the HD33 being a little sharper. I remember the HD20 not being super sharp like the more expensive HD2+'s.

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3D tuning showed 400 lumens 1400 vs 1000 for 2D on my screen. I left the contrast setting for 3D at factory and just tuned the brightness level down because the lighter black bar of the brightness pattern was way to light, you would lose black level if you didn't fix this.

By the way I have to say that when watching 3D I don't know why but the CR level looks to be 1000000.1 wierd.

For 2D and what I remember of the HD20 they would be pretty much the same with maybe the HD33 being a little sharper. I remember the HD20 not being super sharp like the more expensive HD2+'s.

Guitarman, can you please clarify your first sentence!?. Not sure what you mean by "3D showed 400 lumens 1400 vs 1000 for 2D"

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I did a little tuning with colorfacts today and the grayscale tuned up well. So tuning down to D65k got the lumens down by 1/3 to like 675lumens, thats in the 2D movie tuning. 3D is best left alone. Gamma is 2.32 a good number better than digital video 2.2 referance and closer to CRT reference. This number will make the blacks better, detail is very good.

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On the CIE red and blue are more saturated than green, all are saturated for a brighter more colorful image. Green being lower would do away with the nasty green push we had to put up with early on the video trail.

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Guitarman, can you please clarify your first sentence!?. Not sure what you mean by "3D showed 400 lumens 1400 vs 1000 for 2D"

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400 more lumens but after just tuning 2D down lets make it 775 more lumens.

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400 more lumens but after just tuning 2D down lets make it 775 more lumens.

Thanks for clarifying....do these settings hold for a 1.0 gain white screen ?
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I am currently using a HD66 for 3d with my Nvidia 3D Vision PC setup and a JVC RS1 for 2d viewing in my theater. I am really happy with the results I get from this setup. However, I like the thought of being able to bring a dedicated 3d blu-ray player into the mix by using this projector since it has (2) hdmi inputs. This would allow me to continue to use the PC for 3D gaming (which is wonderful!) but also allow me to stop using the HTPC software for movie viewing. I use total media theater 5 which is great until it decides to hiccup and stop playing for whatever reason. (I already have a 3d blu-ray player that I got for free with a 3d tv purchase last year that is sitting in my closet not being used since I have my PS3 connected to the tv. Would love to be able to put it to use!)

Couple of questions:

1. I assume that this projector will work with Nvidia 3d Vision the same way the HD66 does at a 720p resolution without having to do any kind of inf hacks?

2. I notice the lumens on the HD33 are rated at 1800 whereas the HD66 is rated at 2500. I know that 3d needs as many lumens as possible so would this difference cause a noticeable decrease in perceived brightness on the HD33? This would pretty much be a deal breaker for me because I already wish for a little more brightness in some of the content that I play now on the HD66. I don't really think the increase in resolution to 1080p for 3d movies would be worth a sacrifice in brightness.

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