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guitarman 08-16-2011 06:40 PM

We've been talking about this projector in the over budget forum but it should be here.
Updated: Optoma HD33 HD3300 review and screenshots.

http://www.optomausa.com/products/detail/HD33

This projector has pure motioning processing a 6x rgb/rgb/ color wheel and will support 1080p 3D over HDMI or VGA. Price is $1499.00, glasses are $99 and run on RF frequency which is much better and IR that most competitors use.
Sounds like a great bang for the buck. It also has seperated tuning memories for 3D and 2D.


I can edit in sought after info to make it easy:

Projector delivered.
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/OptomaHD33.jpg


2D pictures tuned with DVE only needed contrast and brightness changes color pattern was fine blue filter showed balance. Contrast had to be brought down to -18 to avoid white clipping.

Screenshots with basic tuning for 2D.
Nice contrast in the Twin Pines Mall shot.
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33bttf1.jpg
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33bttf2.jpg
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33bttf3.jpg

http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33fifthe1.jpg
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33fifthe2.jpg
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33fifthe3.jpg

More screenshots after using colorfacts to tune the 2D grayscale.
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33d65k2d1.jpg
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33d65k2d2.jpg
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33d65k2d3.jpg
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33d65k2d4.jpg
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33d65k2d5.jpg
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33d65k2d6.jpg
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33d65k2d7.jpg
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33d65k2d8.jpg
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd33d65k2d9.jpg
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/hd330010c.jpg


Here are the charts after tuning with colorfacts to D65k, 2.32gamma.
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/OptomaHD33D65k.jpg

CIE
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/OptomaHD33CIE.jpg

Here's the emitter it's got about 3' detachable wire on it.

http://www.videodementia.com/sales/iremitter.jpg

3D glasses, the glasses are very comfortable.
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/3dglasses.jpg

Here are the colorfacts calibrated numbers, might come in handy.

1080i Component signal
Cinema
contrast -14
brightness 0
Sharp 12
Color +8
Tint 0
Advanced
Gamma Standard
R gain -4
G gain 0
B gain +1
R bias +2
G bias -1
B bias +4

HDMI 2D
Contrast -18
Brightness -2
Sharp 11
Color 15
Tint 0

Advanced
Gamma Film
R gain -5
G gain 0
B gain -1
R bias -1
G bias 0
B bias 0

After 100hrs your lamp is broken in and there's a color shift which stablizes so here's a set of D65k tuned numbers for that. -

This one is a 2.20 gamma for digital video choosing the Film gamma choice.

2D HDMI
User
Contrast -18
Bright -3
Sharp 12
Color -2
Tint +4

Advanced
Gamma Film
Color Temp Warm

RGB/gain bias
R gain -4
g gain -1
b gain +1

R bias +1
G bias +1
B bias 0


This one can be saved seperatly under Cinema it's a 2.5gamma or CRT type gamma for when after your lamp breaks in. This will show a darker image you might like for movie watching. The other 2.2 gamma tuning save it under User for HDTV, switch back and forth your preference.

Cinema
Contrast -31
Bright 0
Sharp 12
Color +4
Tint 0

Advanced
Gamma Standard
Color Temp Warm
Red gain +1
Grn gain 0
blu gain =5

Red bias -2
Grn bias 0
Blu bias -1





Lumens on a 106" 1.0 screen - using a light meter back at the screen.
http://www.videodementia.com/sales/h...ight265hrs.jpg
That's 49 foot candles a very high reading.

2D basic tuned OTB 1440 lumens low lamp

3D OTB 2040 lumens bright mode / graphic gamma, 3D is factory tuned for when viewing with the glasses on. There is no 3D tuning software yet.

2D tuned down to D65k 1080lumens low lamp

Lumens adjusted to using shortest throw / max opened zoom. Knock 20% off the numbers when using long throw minimum zoomed lens.

Wing at Optoma gave me this info:
"Saw a few persons interested in the difference between HD33 and HD20



Here are more technical details for you.



While HD33 and HD20 do share some optical components to get the economy of scale, the electronics and chassis of HD33 is totally revamped to display 3D and enhance 2D also.

The color wheel speed is faster to give less rainbow, the new bigger chassis also makes the projector a bit quieter and no front grill eliminates the tiny amount light spill that some users have shown concern with HD20



The data bandwidth and processing power has to be at least doubled internally in order to display 3D 1080p at 120Hz



With such extra bandwidth and processing power on hand, the 2D image quality is also significantly enhanced.



DMD mirrors can now turn on and off even faster – this translates to even better color and grayscale rendering.

This improvement is more easily noticeable in a dark scene – the dithering noises are much less noticeable and give smoother dark details



This extra processing power also helps to improve the image digitally

- PureDetails, can sharpen the image selectively, the edges and corners of the image is sharpened but not the noises

- PureColor can enhance the color selectively makes less saturated color more saturated but already saturated colors will not be too oversaturated

- PureMotion – this is Optoma’s frame interpolation technology that works in both 2D and 3D, not only can it eliminate motion judder, it can also make fast action sport or action movie visibly clearer to see by adding interpolating frames. (note the default setting is a bit conservative, to intentionally keep a small amount of judder to give some resemblance of film)"
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David_MSP 08-16-2011 07:13 PM

Very much looking forward to hearing your thoughts, guitarman! I'm currently using an Optoma HD80 which I enjoy very much but have been looking for its possible 3D replacement. My only question is whether or not I will notice a difference in the contrast ratio between the two units in a dedicated, completely darkened HT space.

guitarman 08-16-2011 07:37 PM

We'll see, Wing says the HD33 look spectacular he's been working on the 3D media for a while now. The true motion and 6x rgb/rgb wheel are high points for the image. Can't wait till Friday.

GregK 08-16-2011 07:47 PM

http://www.twice.com/article/472455-..._Projector.php

This is sounding like a great 3-D projector. Unlike the Sharp 1080p DLP projector, this has a VESA output, and can optionally run in the DLP-Link mode.

In my case, I still have a number of DLP Link glasses, so it may be easier on my wallet to start off using that mode, and then see how it goes...

David_MSP 08-16-2011 07:47 PM

When you say "separate tuning memories", are you referring to its ability to do separate calibrations for 2D and 3D signals?

guitarman 08-16-2011 08:06 PM

Yes two separate calibrations for each signal remembered.

guitarman 08-16-2011 08:14 PM

I got this info from their engineer mgr looked important.

"Right now only Blu-ray 3D is true 1080p 3D and is fully supported.by HD33

Other 3D sources such as DirecTV are 1080i 3D, but sport channel like ESPN 3D then is 720p, games are mostly 720p 3D – all such 3D format are also supported HD33 and upscaled to 1080p 3D by HD33"

DrNegative 08-16-2011 08:20 PM

6x color wheel? 3D 1080p? Sub $1,500? New budget king anyone?

DaGamePimp 08-17-2011 03:03 AM

I just read that these have now been released to retailers. (???)

Jason

Ericglo 08-17-2011 08:47 AM

Visual Apex says mid Sept before shipping.

eat meat 08-17-2011 08:54 AM

the 33 is for sale already it seems at 2 places(It let me add to cart any ways)

guitarman 08-17-2011 09:06 AM

Here in the Bay Area headquarters they have an initial shipment but the flood gates will open soon. Maybe Best Buy will get a few.

lordoftorture 08-17-2011 09:10 AM

How fast is the color wheel? I didnt see that mentioned.

Robert Clark 08-17-2011 10:28 AM

Been waiting for this one. Ugh, looks like I'll have to sell all of my DLP link glasses I use with my Acer H5360...

clausdk 08-17-2011 10:49 AM

6x speed sounds very promising. I've seen other optoma with 6x wheel and they show very little RBE for me, whereas 4x is quite obvious for me unfortunately.

Wonder what the price in EU is going to be, haven't seen it on sale yet.

Using their throw calculator it seems I'll have to use a 10 feet wide screen for my setup(rear shelf mounting) - it better be bright!

eat meat 08-17-2011 10:58 AM

says active lcd shutter glasses or r/f-I would be surprised if it didnt do dlp link
http://www.optomausa.com/webresource...d4ac6de714.pdf

johnsmith808 08-17-2011 11:15 AM

So if it had a Vesa input, does that mean that it will be compatible with most 3 pin emitters?

eat meat 08-17-2011 11:37 AM

Quote:


This package includes the Optoma HD33 Projector, one remote control with batteries, RF emitter for 3D glasses, one composite video cable, one lens cap, an A/C power cord, multilingual CD-ROM user's manual, quick-start card and warranty card.

hmmmm.... RF emitter for 3D glasses

ack_bk 08-17-2011 11:45 AM

Anxiously awaiting some reviews on this projector. Seems like a good deal. I was not really thinking 3D right now, but this could be a contender when I look to upgrade next year.

DrNegative 08-17-2011 12:48 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by lordoftorture View Post

How fast is the color wheel? I didnt see that mentioned.

First post, it is a 6x speed (RGBRGB) wheel.

Robert Clark 08-17-2011 01:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by eat meat View Post

says active lcd shutter glasses or r/f-I would be surprised if it didnt do dlp link
http://www.optomausa.com/webresource...d4ac6de714.pdf

I think I read somewhere that it will also do DLP link, but I'd rather use a well implemented RF glasses arrangement...

guitarman 08-17-2011 01:39 PM

That's correct you can use your DLP-link glasses. I'll have the PJ tomorrow with two pairs of glasses. I was holding off also. It will take a bit to do the review. I have to use the colorfacts calibrating stuff for the testing, it's time consuming but fun.

Yeah if it's RF like the Xbox 360's remote that's killer. I can turn on my xbox in the garage, come in the house and the house unit will be running.

DrNegative 08-17-2011 02:06 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by guitarman View Post

That's correct you can use your DLP-link glasses. I'll have the PJ tomorrow with two pairs of glasses. I was holding off also. It will take a bit to do the review. I have to use the colorfacts calibrating stuff for the testing, it's time consuming but fun.

Yeah if it's RF like the Xbox 360's remote that's killer. I can turn on my xbox in the garage, come in the house and the house unit will be running.


I agree, my electric screen came with an IR and RF remote. The IR remote needs a good LOS to the receiver and max 15'-ish range, the RF remote however would work from the mailbox if I wanted it to.

On another note, Art at Projectorreviews will have the unit and will be posting the review soon.

GregK 08-17-2011 04:15 PM

Based on these early specs, it sounds like this could can use 'almost' any type of active 3D eyewear, excluding the bluetooth type and a couple of the proprietary non-VESA emitters. An external emitter would be needed for IR glasses, but that's no biggie.

Brian M 08-17-2011 04:30 PM

Was going to wait for a led projector but price and features make this hard to resist.Cant wait for reviews.

eat meat 08-17-2011 05:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian M View Post

Was going to wait for a led projector but price and features make this hard to resist.Cant wait for reviews.

the 500 lumen ones?

zehoo 08-17-2011 05:24 PM

120hz 1080p?

Toe 08-17-2011 06:36 PM

No lens shift?

DrNegative 08-17-2011 07:42 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toe View Post

No lens shift?

Fixed offset - 116%

Brian M 08-17-2011 07:50 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by eat meat View Post

the 500 lumen ones?

Yes those but this one sounds cool.


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