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Thanks. Dayom, that "home theater" has like 20 seats

Lol, I know right! I can't think of 20 people to invite over to watch, let alone like them enough to provide the good seats. hahaha

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Lol, I know right! I can't think of 20 people to invite over to watch, let alone like them enough to provide the good seats. hahaha

Its giving me Ideas.....
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Lol, I know right! I can't think of 20 people to invite over to watch, let alone like them enough to provide the good seats. hahaha

i kind of want theater seats instead of recliners, but i havea fear my parents will get mad.

this picture from the review is mad interesting:

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i kind of want theater seats instead of recliners, but i havea fear my parents will get mad.

this picture from the review is mad interesting:

I know ...
So much better at the front vs the back...
The back is a pain because it has the Cable cover at least for the pro model

You should always every month take out the air filters and clean them...
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But there is not only the occasion for praise: Why the TW9000 is still the most sluggish and not inaudible adaptive iris use, although since the R2000/R4000 model out of that home already has a real-time version is available to us is a mystery and might of Epson's site also be justified nor implausible.


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Look at this you tube from projector people with epson mate85, 8350, 8700 side by side. This is exactly why the 3010 is plenty good for me. I can def see the diff from the mate85 to 8350 but hardly see any diff from 8350 to 8700.

No way do I think the 8700 is worth the extra 1k over the 8350. The only way I can justify spending an extra $1500 on the 5010 if at least 1 million CR. From 40k to 200k is not worth it nor is the extra 200 lumen esp when I'll be using cinema mode anyways.

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Look at this you tube from projector people with epson mate85, 8350, 8700 side by side. This is exactly why the 3010 is plenty good for me. I can def see the diff from the mate85 to 8350 but hardly see any diff from 8350 to 8700.

No way do I think the 8700 is worth the extra 1k over the 8350. The only way I can justify spending an extra $1500 on the 5010 if at least 1 million CR. From 40k to 200k is not worth it nor is the extra 200 lumen esp when I'll be using cinema mode anyways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr1lv...B34BED954A8AE8

Holy Light Scatter Batman....
There is no way you cant tell the quality level from any of those projectors on that
type of a screen...
Sorry but they all look like Crap....
this really re enforces what i said earlier about screen choice
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"But there is not only the occasion for praise: Why the TW9000 is still the most sluggish and not inaudible adaptive iris use"

From cine4home. That's why I wont get an epson! I had the 6500 and even though the blacks were supposed to be better then the Panny ae400, I never saw them as the IRIS had to turned off because of the damn noise.

I went through 3 of them and they all had crazy loud IRIS. Maybe some don't notice, or the projector is far away. I heard it from over 6 feet away.
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"But there is not only the occasion for praise: Why the TW9000 is still the most sluggish and not inaudible adaptive iris use"

From cine4home. That's why I wont get an epson! I had the 6500 and even though the blacks were supposed to be better then the Panny ae400, I never saw them as the IRIS had to turned off because of the damn noise.

I went through 3 of them and they all had crazy loud IRIS. Maybe some don't notice, or the projector is far away. I heard it from over 6 feet away.

In the past even last yr did it have a Loud Iris....
Hell Ya...
Mine sounded like a Clicking Hard Drive
I am however holding out hope for this yrs iris to be fixed
will ask JP this next week...
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ask them, but cine4home did state that the LCOS epson had a really fast and silent IRIS, and not the 5010. It seems to be a cost issue and Epson is too cheap to add a good one.
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Look at this you tube from projector people with epson mate85, 8350, 8700 side by side. This is exactly why the 3010 is plenty good for me. I can def see the diff from the mate85 to 8350 but hardly see any diff from 8350 to 8700.

No way do I think the 8700 is worth the extra 1k over the 8350. The only way I can justify spending an extra $1500 on the 5010 if at least 1 million CR. From 40k to 200k is not worth it nor is the extra 200 lumen esp when I'll be using cinema mode anyways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr1lv...B34BED954A8AE8

Thats what I was saying a few post back. On the 8700 and 8350 threads people have said they havnt seen much a difference except in better blacks. So Im starting to wonder if an upgrade from the 8350 to a 5010 is even worth it in the 2d perspective. Especially if anyone like me needs lens shift and has a diy screen.
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I just realized something now and y'all think Im nuts or just emotional but the 5010 is a total SUCKER buy..it' complete BS.

Ok now I have the 1080UB prof cal, which has nearly identical specs as the 8350. I don't have the 8350 but my friend does, yet to me the 8350 is significantly better than my 1080UB. Why? it's because it's a newer model coming out couple yrs later and which is exactly I know without a doubt the 3010 will leapfrog the 8350 in similar fashion it leapfrogged the 1080UB.

But guess what? nobody is going to buy the 3010 because it has no lens shift. Seriously, who's going to buy it? epson know we all need the lens shift and decided to put in the 5010. And of course Apex, PP, AVS sales, BB are all dancing with joy with the huge mark up in commission they will get from 1500 to 3K.

Yes I know the 8700 is better than the 8350...but no way is it 1k better and the same goes with going from 3010 to 5010. If Epson wants to us fork out another 1500, they better gives more than 150K CR and 200 lumens and lens shift. I am so flippen pissed off right now Im not sure if epson will be my next PJ. I might have to go with the KIA of PJ's optoma or a Pan.

All I know is that Epson trapped us in the corner with no lens shift 3010 and think they can stick it to me for another 1500 for the 5010 for the lens shift. I means who cares how good is the 5010, it means crap without the lens shift. I hope buyers will boycott the 5010 until the price drops down to 2k which is at where the 8700 is it's replacement.
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"But there is not only the occasion for praise: Why the TW9000 is still the most sluggish and not inaudible adaptive iris use"

From cine4home. That's why I wont get an epson! I had the 6500 and even though the blacks were supposed to be better then the Panny ae400, I never saw them as the IRIS had to turned off because of the damn noise.

I went through 3 of them and they all had crazy loud IRIS. Maybe some don't notice, or the projector is far away. I heard it from over 6 feet away.

This is very disappointing and may be a deal breaker for me. The PJ is very close to our seating position, and if the IRIS is as loud as it seems, I will pass on Epson.
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8700ub=$1900 street
5010 adds two 3D glasses, 3D capability, and 50% (!) more lumens. We don't know where it will street at yet. That is a big question. It could be $2500. Without glasses that would be $2300. $400 extra for 3D and 50% more lumens is not a bad deal.

You could argue that the 8700ub is not worth $800 more than the 8350, but you do get a $350 bulb.

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This is very disappointing and may be a deal breaker for me. The PJ is very close to our seating position, and if the IRIS is as loud as it seems, I will pass on Epson.

Sorry but the 8350 is no where near the 8700..
8700 has 200,000:1 contrast Ratio
while the 8350 has 50:000:1..
why we even talking about this

also there are more selection of pre set color settings on the 8700

Again epson is still keeping the 8350 so you can still get them


I think the 5010 has value to justify the jump.
and the pro model even more value with all the extra's


Fun times it is always in October before the new stuff comes in..
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8700ub=$1900 street
5010 adds two 3D glasses, 3D capability, and 50% (!) more lumens. We don't know where it will street at yet. That is a big question. It could be $2500. Without glasses that would be $2300. $400 extra for 3D and 50% more lumens is not a bad deal.

You could argue that the 8700ub is not worth $800 more than the 8350, but you do get a $350 bulb.

Sorry to say, the 5010 does NOT include 2 pair of glasses sadly. Only the 3010 and the 6010, for whatever reason Epson decided to opt out of including glasses with the 5010...

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This is very disappointing and may be a deal breaker for me. The PJ is very close to our seating position, and if the IRIS is as loud as it seems, I will pass on Epson.

I am confused here, and maybe a little out of date with the way things work, but why would the iris noise be an issue? Does it actively adjust during movies? or just when you change settings? Please educate me.

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Sorry to say, the 5010 does NOT include 2 pair of glasses sadly. Only the 3010 and the 6010, for whatever reason Epson decided to opt out of including glasses with the 5010...

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hZmUgnWRqs

I didnt get that message
the E models that have wirless hdmi
are the ones that dont come with glasses...

EDIT>>>>>>
You are right
Only the 3010 and the 6010 come with glasses
the 5010 Doesnt...

I like that ,..
Now there is a better reason for people to get the pro model
the Pro model now has even more value...
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I am confused here, and maybe a little out of date with the way things work, but why would the iris noise be an issue? Does it actively adjust during movies? or just when you change settings? Please educate me.

Thanks

No its just noise
some people are bothered if they hear the projector running
it can be annoying
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Sorry to say, the 5010 does NOT include 2 pair of glasses sadly. Only the 3010 and the 6010, for whatever reason Epson decided to opt out of including glasses with the 5010...

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hZmUgnWRqs

Damn, you are right. I guess I wasn't paying attention. I guess it is a waiting game to see what the street price ends up at and how the reviews are. Luckily I have time to wait and see what happens. Still, my decision feels very up in the air right now.

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Damn, you are right. I guess I wasn't paying attention. I guess it is a waiting game to see what the street price ends up at and how the reviews are. Luckily I have time to wait and see what happens. Still, my decision feels very up in the air right now.

Hey Andreas,
Did you see what screen was being used by Epson at that booth?
Hmmmmmmm........lol
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Sorry but the 8350 is no where near the 8700..
8700 has 200,000:1 contrast Ratio
while the 8350 has 50:000:1..
why we even talking about this

also there are more selection of pre set color settings on the 8700

Again epson is still keeping the 8350 so you can still get them

I think the 5010 has value to justify the jump.
and the pro model even more value with all the extra's

Fun times it is always in October before the new stuff comes in..

So your saying the IRIS is not loud on the 8350?
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So your saying the IRIS is not loud on the 8350?

No it is loud on the 8350
the question is,
Is it also just as loud on the new models....
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I didnt get that message
the E models that have wirless hdmi
are the ones that dont come with glasses...

EDIT>>>>>>
You are right
Only the 3010 and the 6010 come with glasses
the 5010 Doesnt...

I like that ,..
Now there is a better reason for people to get the pro model
the Pro model now has even more value...

This is what I am stuck on, does 2 pair of glasses, cable cover, mount, spare bulb and 1 more yr of warranty justify an extra $1000.

Glasses = $200 roughly
Bulb = $400 give or take
Mount = $50?

We are at 650. So $350 to bump up the warranty a yr? Seems a little much.

If the 5010 was 3k and the 6010 was 3.5k then it would be a deal. Feature wise the 2 seem identical, it is just the accessories separating the two.

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No its just noise
some people are bothered if they hear the projector running
it can be annoying

So the iris does not dilate during viewing then? If not I can't see the reason to gripe, but then again my svs sub is drowning out the room noise, much like it should be

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Well I do not even use the iris on my 8350. Not sure where this is going.
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Damn, you are right. I guess I wasn't paying attention. I guess it is a waiting game to see what the street price ends up at and how the reviews are. Luckily I have time to wait and see what happens. Still, my decision feels very up in the air right now.

I hear you, I have been back and forth all week, scouring the net for reviews, anything to tip the scales.

I am between the Panny 7000 and the 5010.

I am wondering with the whole glasses situation, which ones are compatible? I am having a hell of a time confirming what works and what doesn't. Would like to buy the glasses asap just in case of shortages, unless of course the Panny TY-EW3D2MMK2 work and I will grab a pair on ebay.

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I am also looking at the JVC RS45. It is the same price as the Panny 7000. Only thing is that the JVC's 3D won't be as good (dimmer and probably some ghosting). Thing is that I will be using 2D probably 99% of the time. I think the Panny 7000 and 5010 will look great in 2D, but the JVC will be a little better. I also think even the 8350 and 3010 will look great in 2D, but the others will be better. I have half a mind to just cheap out for another year until 3D isn't at such a premium. Heck, the 8700ub might make sense compared to the JVC since if I get the JVC I won't be focusing on 3D.

Oh, and the JVC comes with 2 sets of glasses vs the 5010 and the 7000.

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I saw the Panny today and as yes it was on a white screen
the colors out of the box are not even close
as good as the Epson out of the box.,
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