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Is this also in $1500 range (for trhe rest of us who are looking for budget 3D) ?

No. List price is $3499. Street price should be under $3k but I seriously doubt you will find this projector for $1500.

I like DLP as well and own a Mitsubishi now and it has been a very solid purchase. Would buy another Mitsubishi in a heartbeat. But expect to pay $2500-2900 for the 7800.

I think the Optoma sounds like a solid projector, but my buddy bought one a few years ago and he had issues with it and Optoma's customer service was absolutely horrible to deal with. It took him tons of email and phone calls and he was without a projector for about 6 weeks.

Epson and Mitsubishi have very good customer service and that is something to consider.
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i dont care about insurance, it seems many of us are careful with PJs. or maybe everyone else cares about warranty more than me.

knocking on wood for now, I expect my product to not break

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On the no lens shift - it makes sense. They still have the 8350 in the about to be $1000 range with shift, and 3010 in bright 3D, but without shift. Most DLP competition does not have lens shift. The 5010 has best of everything at next price point. They will lose some customers, push a few up a price point, and preserve the customers at each point (won't drop down to cheaper Epson machines at least). They maximize profit this way.

I'm not so sure I agree with this. I would argue that significantly more people will either drop from the 3010 to the $900 8350 (or more likely go with a competitor if they want 3D) than will step up from the 3010 to the 5010 because they want lens shift. I understand that DLP doesn't have lense shift at this price point, but us LCD owners have enjoyed this feature in our ~$1,000 units for years now. It will be interesting to see how this move works out for Epson, but I have to believe that people looking to buy now are for the most part interested in having 3D included, even if they don't plan on using it just yet. So in as much as the 8350 would be a definite improvement on my current projector, I'd just assume hold out for another year before dropping close to a grand on a year old stop gap model. For those who have to buy now it's a different story...but even then it's going to be hard to swallow a 2k bump from no 3D and lens shift to 3D with lens shift. A $1,500 3010 with lens shift could become a record selling unit over the next couple of years...not sure I see that happening at twice the price point.
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........... A $1,500 3010 with lens shift could become a record selling unit over the next couple of years...not sure I see that happening at twice the price point.

Agreed! I was going to pay the extra $600 for the 3010 over the 8350 until I heard it nixed the lens shifting. So I got my 8350 for $1000 four weeks ago and will look at 3D again in ~2 years when everyone is selling 3D PJ's for ~$1000 WITH lens shifting and $20 glasses!!!! By then, maybe FIOS will have a dozen 3D channels to boot!
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to each their own, 8350 is a great PJ but many of us have already "experienced" what it delivers.

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Glad I read this stuff, really wanted 3D and was planning to buy the 3010 (and would have), but since I have always had lens shift, now I just can't go without it. I was excited about the 3010, but now I am back on bench, waiting for the next sub 2K LCD with 3D. (and lens shift) I know for my price point I should not expect top of the line and I don't. Just venting. I expect it will be next year now.
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i wouldnt doubt the 3010 gets released next year, rofl, epson and their stupid delays....

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Glad I read this stuff, really wanted 3D and was planning to buy the 3010 (and would have), but since I have always had lens shift, now I just can't go without it. I was excited about the 3010, but now I am back on bench, waiting for the next sub 2K LCD with 3D. (and lens shift) I know for my price point I should not expect top of the line and I don't. Just venting. I expect it will be next year now.

Yeah, once you go lens shift it's hard to give it up.
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How is Projector People showing that the 3010 is now shipping when it's not even out yet?????
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Sprocket already has one!! LOOK AT HIS THREAD!!! WTF, are they shipping the review units? xD!

e version still not shipping (FUK!!). I want wirelessHD I do'nt care about the 3D only version. Plus white looks bad, wasn't there supposed to be a black 3010?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1366241

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Sprocket already has one!! LOOK AT HIS THREAD!!! WTF, are they shipping the review units? xD!

e version still not shipping (FUK!!). I want wirelessHD I do'nt care about the 3D only version. Plus white looks bad, wasn't there supposed to be a black 3010?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1366241

thats a Review unit sent out by epson america
Not to smart making that video
dont think ea would be too happy ....
especially since they have asked us all to wait before posting our reviews..
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thats a Review unit sent out by epson america
Not to smart making that video
dont think ea would be too happy ....
especially since they have asked us all to wait before posting our reviews..
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He says its not a review unit...so why would he offend anyone by reviewing a product he paid for ?
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Any pre-order, any place for 6010 ?
When is the "exact" release date?
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He says its not a review unit...so why would he offend anyone by reviewing a product he paid for ?

Really...
He just removed the video
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Really...
He just removed the video

and that has nothing to do with you trying to scare him into thinking epson would do something bad STFU and let him state his opinion.
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and that has nothing to do with you trying to scare him into thinking optoma would do something bad STFU and let him state his opinion.

optoma...
Thought it was an epson ....
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optoma...
Thought it was an epson ....

irrelevant typo. You're still being a d-bag if he's honestly a consumer.
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Looking at this review posted earlier on the 5010e: http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...13183981169343 (It's in german, use Google translate)

It amazes me nobody is picking up on some of the info there! Looking at the Dynamic mode after calibration, it is FAR better than the 8700ub dynamic mode after calibration, close enough that 99% of folks won't be able to distinguish it from fully THX calibrated. AND it's 1600 LUMENS!!! That's roughly TRIPLE the 8700ub after calibration. I mean, WOW. Add to that motorized pixel alignment and that's one hell of an improvement over the 8700ub. What that means is you'll be able to go HUGE on the screen AND go with a darker screen. And STILL have lumens left over.

As far as the iris noise, I know it bothers some people here. But my 8700UB sits over my head and about 4 feet to the side. I have never, ever, heard it during a movie, in any mode. Yes I here it when the sound is muted. Personally, I find the fan noise in normal mode to be worse, though not audible during a movie. The above review states that larger fans have reduced fan noise over the 8700UBs, so a good improvement there.

I can't wait to see the review from Art. If his review shows the 5010 close to the above review, I am going to have to start saving my nickels!
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The 3010 is shipping from projector people. Now we can't even tell where that new user got his 3010, maybe amazon because they normally deliver the same day it's shipping (LOL)?

Fraisa, you're getting on top of that guy a little bit, you've gotta be careful because there seems to be an underlying reason.

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Looking at this review posted earlier on the 5010e: http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...13183981169343 (It's in german, use Google translate)

It amazes me nobody is picking up on some of the info there! Looking at the Dynamic mode after calibration, it is FAR better than the 8700ub dynamic mode after calibration, close enough that 99% of folks won't be able to distinguish it from fully THX calibrated. AND it's 1600 LUMENS!!! That's roughly TRIPLE the 8700ub after calibration. I mean, WOW. Add to that motorized pixel alignment and that's one hell of an improvement over the 8700ub. What that means is you'll be able to go HUGE on the screen AND go with a darker screen. And STILL have lumens left over.

As far as the iris noise, I know it bothers some people here. But my 8700UB sits over my head and about 4 feet to the side. I have never, ever, heard it during a movie, in any mode. Yes I here it when the sound is muted. Personally, I find the fan noise in normal mode to be worse, though not audible during a movie. The above review states that larger fans have reduced fan noise over the 8700UBs, so a good improvement there.

I can't wait to see the review from Art. If his review shows the 5010 close to the above review, I am going to have to start saving my nickels!

this thread has concentrated on the 3 series more than the 5 series. xD, epson must have taken a cheap shot at BMW...3, 5, and 6 series...

you'll see more 5 series information after the 3's are released and people are talking about it, the 5 is coming later - and it's price barely fits in this forum.

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No lens shift for the 3010! This is for me a must. I'm really disappointed with Epson as all (as far as I know) of their old projectors had this. All my previous projectors had this feature although they were not very expensive. What's with this new gimping tactic?
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3d. Seems like only expensive 3d pjs have it

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Anyone have had the opportunity to compare the 3010 with the old 9700?
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Alright, so I was just watching the guy's unboxing video, and realized - I may be overestimating the impact of lack of lens shift. The only reason I would like lens shift is that my projector needs to be offset above the screen somewhat, or I'm limited in size (due to an angled ceiling). Right now I'm working with the size limitation, and plan to continue to do so. And of course, I don't want to use digital keystone correction to keep image quality intact.

However, looking at that vid, it appears the epson has mechanical lens keystone correction, meaning no digital artifacting! Are there downsides to mechanical keystone correction, or is it actually OK? I don't need much, just about 8-10* angle or so.

So what are the downsides to mechanical keystone?
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Hm... wait a sec...

So I'm reading the manual, and it looks like there are three adjustments:
-Horizontal keystone slider
-Horizontal keystone buttons
-Vertical keystone buttons

It doesn't specify, but if I'm right that would mean horizontal keystone can be adjusted without digital keystone problems (still not sure if mechanical keystone can cause issues or not), but vertical cannot. That's strange...

Maybe it could still provide the same advantage, though. if I move my screen sidways some I can still possibly clear the obstruction and get larger that way.

Strange that they'd choose to add an extra mechanical keystone, but make it only horizontal. I would've thought vertical would be much more commonly needed, but maybe that's just because it's what *I* need
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I don't know, I just hate keystoning or even any lense shift. I try to get the PJ lense in the middle of the screen. If not, get it up and point it down. Less light scatter capability when it's bouncing off the carpet instead of the ceiling. Nevermind horizontal lense shift of any kind wont work with anamorphic lenses...

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Could you guys help out a projector noob?

8700ub or the new 3010e (can get either for almost same price).

Will not be using 3D at all.

100% light controlled room.

100 inch screen.

Seems like the 8700ub is the winner in my case for the contrast advantage. The extra lumens on the 3010 not really helpful b/c the room is already 100% light controlled. Correct logic? Am I missing something?
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Nope, sounds right to me. Plus you get lens shift for additional installation flexibility.

This projector is a GREAT deal, but if you don't want 3d go with one of the 2d units with better specs and features
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8700ub also comes with an extra bulb!

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