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art - hi, I was mainly referring to the 2D output which barely cracked 500 D65 lumens.. this is RS50/RS60 territory making me think the torch mode in 3D will have colors off the scale.

looking forward to your comments on the upcoming models.

Epson does things differently, which is why they always have a bigger jump from D65 to max power. They use a color filter that slides into place, in the less bright Theater Black modes, THX, etc. Even without the filter, you can calibrate to D65, although we don't try. When Mike does a "quick-cal" a tweaking of the brighter modes, the goal is to improve the picture as much as possible, without sacrificing too many lumens.

I'm not sure about the full story in general, with 3D color. We have no reasonable way to calibrate the color accuracy on the eyeball side of 3D glasses. Let's say, I've yet to see 3D look like a D65 calibration with 3D. Colors are usually off a little, saturation often seems too high, etc.

I haven't yet seen a 3D projector (in 3D) that I think will satisfy a person who demands a THX quality 3D accuracy and look. A small sacrifice for 3D, though for most. I watch a lot of non-movie 3D, and, like watching a football game, when I'm watching a tour of China, I can forgive some of those color flaws, and in the case of 3D - at least for now, I'm more than happy, to trade a little color accuracy for a lot of lumens.

My first impression of the Epson's THX 3D was that it was really good. But I don't think it was as good as the 2D THX mode... We shall see.

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I might just be interested in one of these. But, not the 3D version. Just the plain 'ol nice 2D! Maybe I missed it, but does the 3010 have Frame Interpolation? That's something I'm definitely looking for in a pj - for my hockey watching!
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someone asked about lens shift on the 3010 series. I must confess, I just don't recall whether they had lens shift. It was a very busy day playing with the projectors, but I was mostly focused on performance. I must confess I barely even looked at the menus, but did see a lot of content... Yes the 5010 and 6010 definitely do have lens shift.

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I'll check back with the Epson folks, and update the 3010 and 3010e "first looks" on my site. (I've got my fingers crossed, too.)
Art, please do tell what you find out about LENS SHIFT on the 3010. I think I will have to pass on the HD33 since I am limited on setup flexibility in my finished attic. I was planning to hold out for the 3010 if it does in fact have lens shift similar to their 8350.

And in case Epson confirms NO lens shift on the 3010, how about an MSRP and release date on the 5010?

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I might just be interested in one of these. But, not the 3D version. Just the plain 'ol nice 2D! Maybe I missed it, but does the 3010 have Frame Interpolation? That's something I'm definitely looking for in a pj - for my hockey watching!

Personally, I'd rather have 3D in case I ever felt like using it over the Wireless HD thing. It's not like HDMI cables are difficult to wire.
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I'm wondering if it would be worth it to to pay $400-500 more for the 3100 than the 8350 when I just need 2D right now.
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I'm wondering if it would be worth it to to pay $400-500 more for the 3100 than the 8350 when I just need 2D right now.

I'm new to the PJ world, but would imagine the 8350 should drop a bit in price after this week's 3010 unveiling at CEDIA.

Does anyone know if that was the case in year's past?
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I'm new to the PJ world, but would imagine the 8350 should drop a bit in price after this week's 3010 unveiling at CEDIA.

Does anyone know if that was the case in year's past?

Good question. Right now, it's just under $1K so I was wondering the exact same thing.
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I don't know but I'd probably still get one of the newer projectors, they look awesome (in spec and physically).

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Good question. Right now, it's just under $1K so I was wondering the exact same thing.

I am only finding it in the $1150-1300 range. Please share where it can be had for under $1K.... thanks!
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No thanks, I'll pass.

Having a set of glasses for my Samsung D7000 LED and another set of glasses for a projector is a non-starter.

weird comment unless both your PJ and LED are in the same room.

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I am only finding it in the $1150-1300 range. Please share where it can be had for under $1K.... thanks!

$200 off at Frys this week.
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damn, i don't have a frys here.

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I hope Epson fixed the handshake problem with the new PJ's. I have a 6500UB hooked up, and I get annoying handshake issues whether I use my Panny, PS3, or my Oppo.
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$200 off at Frys this week.

Shoot, no FRYS in MASS. And they won't ship.

But I'll keep hope that either:
  • the 3010 has lens shift -or-
  • the 5010 is under $2200 w/ lens shift -or-
  • the 8350 gets dropped to an MSRP of $900 or less

(already had a tuff sell on the wife to take over the attic)
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gee i doubt the 8350 will go to 900 MSRP. I can see 1099 MSRP and 999 MAP.

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Shoot, no FRYS in MASS. And they won't ship.

But I'll keep hope that either:
  • the 3010 has lens shift -or-
  • the 5010 is under $2200 w/ lens shift -or-
  • the 8350 gets dropped to an MSRP of $900 or less

(already had a tuff sell on the wife to take over the attic)

how big is the attic and how do you get up there

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gee i doubt the 8350 will go to 900 MSRP. I can see 1099 MSRP and 999 MAP.

Pardon my ignorance but is the $1599 for the 3010 the MAP?
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how big is the attic and how do you get up there

I call it an attic, but it is actually a nice finished room by the previous owner/ accessible by regular stairs so it is really a 3rd floor. The ceiling is slanted in both directions which limits me to a 106" Favi portable screen (Amazon for $115 shipped). I will have a 13'4" throw distance about 2' off the ground (bottom of the screen will be about 15" off the ground) on an end table next to the theater sofa. So it will be about 6' off center of the screen which makes Horizontal Lens Shift a REQUIREMENT for my setup. Any foreseen issue(s)?

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gee i doubt the 8350 will go to 900 MSRP. I can see 1099 MSRP and 999 MAP.

true, but then it would be found on-line for ~$900 to compete w/ the HD20.
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Can we have pictures of the attic? I do not like doing horizontal shifting in my PJ setups. Vertical shifting is fine...

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Can we have pictures of the attic? I do not like doing horizontal shifting in my PJ setups. Vertical shifting is fine...

I was skeptical about lens shifting myself, but I have read many reviews on the 8350 and it appears to be a non-issue. Many have commented that you simply can't tell the difference as there is no compression happening at all. I have only read that it becomes a problem if one maxes out the vertical and horizontal at the same time. The proof will be in the pudding I guess; I'll share what I find after getting the 8350 or 3010/5010.

I don't have a hosting site for photos. Can I email you a couple to post for the group?
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Just saw on Art's blog of a major correction in the offerings of the "e" versions of these units. Snippet below:

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...As it turns out, the Home Cinema 3010e has both 3D and WirelessHD, by comparison, the Home Cinema 3010 has 3D but no Wireless HD. I had the price correct for the Home Cinema 3010, at $1599, but the Home Cinema 3010e, with both capabilities, will be $1799.

The same story for the Home Cinema 5010 and 5010e...

P.S. Can an admin change the title of this thread to reflect the proper model numbers?
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Just saw on Art's blog of a major correction in the offerings of the "e" versions of these units.

Hmmmm, I wonder if Epson also clarified the issue about Lens Shift on the 3010 models.... or we wait until Thursday.
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Hmmmm, I wonder if Epson also clarified the issue about Lens Shift on the 3010 models.... or we wait until Thursday.

Yes - this is the main question. If it doesn't have lens shift, then I'll go ahead with HD3300. If it does then, it becomes more difficult. I've to weigh between ease of lens shift vs lack of cross talk.

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Crosstalk and ghosting will be the killer for the 3010 against the DLPs (e.g. Optoma HD33/HD3300) in the same price range. So will someone please tell us--does the 3010 having ghosting or NOT?? Vague statements about it being minimal only mean the door is open to interpretation. If you've been in the 3D world for a while and have a DLP projector--then you know what I mean--NO ghosting--and once you witness this, there is no going back. LCDs have light decay, whereas DLPs have mirrors with instant on and off, so one can only surmise that LCDs will always have some ghosting.
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If you've been in the 3D world for a while and have a DLP projector--then you know what I mean--NO ghosting--and once you witness this, there is no going back. LCDs have light decay, whereas DLPs have mirrors with instant on and off, so one can only surmise that LCDs will always have some ghosting.

Well, DLP mirrors have to move too - that means there is a finite amount of "decay' even for DLPs. But that may be very small compared to LCD decay. We could always, in future, get to a point where the difference is practically insignificant.

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Well, DLP mirrors have to move too - that means there is a finite amount of "decay' even for DLPs. But that may be very small compared to LCD decay. We could always, in future, get to a point where the difference is practically insignificant.

I agree, but I would like to see a definitive statement of comparison from someone who's seen the 3010 and a 3D DLP like the ACER H360 and tell us what the small differences are. With 480hz panels, one would think the 3010 would have a super fast decay to begin with and the difference would be negligible.

We know that a DLP will cause rainbows, but that can be minimized by a faster spinning color wheel, but they will always be there.

We know that 3 LCD panels will always be susceptible to misalignment and the dlp with one set of mirrors will not suffer this issue, but we now have dlps coming with 3 mirrors and there will probably be issues.

What we don't seem to know is how bad crosstalk and ghosting is on LCDs vs. DLPs and how to measure it.
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I was skeptical about lens shifting myself, but I have read many reviews on the 8350 and it appears to be a non-issue. Many have commented that you simply can't tell the difference as there is no compression happening at all. I have only read that it becomes a problem if one maxes out the vertical and horizontal at the same time. The proof will be in the pudding I guess; I'll share what I find after getting the 8350 or 3010/5010.

I don't have a hosting site for photos. Can I email you a couple to post for the group?

Here are ClemsonKev's attic photos regarding placement and lense shifting questions.

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Clemson, what I would like to see you do is go acoustically transparent fixed screen and have your center speaker behind it.

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Hey guys,

A few of you called asking about availability so i thought i'd come in here and just post.

We are looking to see which models we plan on carrying. Once I get that info, i'll post it in here and let you all know in case you are interested in pre-order.

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Any possibility on a power-buy pre-order?

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