Originally Posted by zoey67
I've said it before and I'll say it again...the 8700 and 5010 is a sucker buy. Which doesn't surprise me one bit and is prob why it's being discontinued. Why would someone pay 2k...when for half price 1k the 8350 can be had for at least 90% of the 8700 PQ. Sure for most folks here on avs you'll be able to see the slight improvements but for the general audience they couldn't tell them apart.
It all depends on what you need. The 8700 is not really twice the price of the 8350, more like $700 more and you get a free lamp. That brings the difference down to $400. For that you get much better blacks, CFI, and far superior video processing. The first gets you a better picture in a theater, the second two make a pretty big difference when watching sports, the last makes a nice improvement when watching any cable HD--or any SD--source. Having owned both, I'll say that the 8700 is definitely worth the price difference. IMHO.
Originally Posted by AndreasMergner
I would love for the 3010 to be better than the 8700. It will make my decision easier....but then why would you buy the 5010? It would have to be MUCH better in some way for anyone to buy it unless lens shift minus two 3D glasses is worth $1400 to you.
According to the french review of the 5010, it's got some pretty major improvements over the 8700 and the 3010:
1. There is an external filter you can use that will improve the color of the Dynamic and Living room modes to the point where they can be calibrated close to THX mode, except with 1600 lumens. That level of power in a PJ in this price class is unprecedented. If that holds true, you're talking triple the output of the 8700 and still retaining THX class color. This is a game changer. Large, dark gray screens will be doable. This means vastly improved ambient light performance and black levels in truly huge screens. Not a huge difference in a 100" screen, but a world of difference in 130" screens and larger.
2. Motion is said to be handled better and CFI when used is said to be better.
3. Motorized pixel alignment. If this works, it should eliminate any advantage the DLP PJs have in sharpness. 100" screens and larger should see an improvement, and 130" screens and up should see a very nice improvement.
If the preceding three features hold up to review, I see the 5010 being well worth the asking price. I can't wait to see full reviews on this, and I am really hoping that somebody posts a cie diagram af a post-calibrated 5010 in dynamic mode. If it really is all that, the 5010 should be the best 2D PJ you can buy for under $10,000. The question is, can they really deliver on these points while holding the line on everything else?