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being that the 3010 has no lense shift if i were to ceiling mount it where would the placement of the lense have to be? Lense even with the top of the screen? Middle?
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being that the 3010 has no lense shift if i were to ceiling mount it where would the placement of the lense have to be? Lense even with the top of the screen? Middle?

I read the projector must align to be at the top, or bottom of the screen.

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being that the 3010 has no lense shift if i were to ceiling mount it where would the placement of the lense have to be? Lense even with the top of the screen? Middle?

I believe the lens should be even with the top of the screen.
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I'm not surprised at the release date. What I am saying is that they should be doing more to get units reviewed and more info out to potential buyers at this point, thats all.

I think they've done a lot for pre-release hype. The problem is every product (hardware or software) has critical bugs that must be fixed coming up into their QA cycle before release. You don't want to review these systems, although Art will most likely get one of them.

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I read the projector must align to be at the top, or bottom of the screen.

Thanks for the reply guys. Still undecided to go 3d or just get the 8350. Seems a little premature for 3d. Glasses are way too expensive still (id need an additional 3 pair) and not a ton of releases in 3d as of yet
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Thanks for the reply guys. Still undecided to go 3d or just get the 8350. Seems a little premature for 3d. Glasses are way too expensive still (id need an additional 3 pair) and not a ton of releases in 3d as of yet

I was in your shoes a week ago..... Then....... after seeing what CEDIA offered up, I punted...... Got a 8350. Will return to the 3D PJ scene in a year or two when $1200 3D PJ's can be had w/ lens shifting, glasses are $20 and FIOS offers much more than just ESPN3D.

Watching Clemson upset Auburn yesterday and Thor in 1080p w/ the kids instead of waiting for the 3010/5010 release date made it worth it.
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maybe affordable and fantastic 3d isn't here quite yet, but to be fair none of us have seen this PJ in 3d yet.

If we waited for tech to be perfected before we bought it, you'd always be years behind the curve. my guess is, and obviously a complete guess, that watching a 1080p blu ray in 3d on this PJ will be more fun than 2d, and for me thats the threshold of wether or not its worth having. Not wether or not the 3d effect is perfected yet.

monoprice has 3d active shutter glasses for LG and samsung for only $30 a pair. I would imagine that they'll be introducing more and more glasses as will other companies. I don't for see active shutter glasses staying at $100 a crack for very long. the tech in them just isn't that complicated and as more people buy devices requiring the active glasses there will be more and more motivation for third party manufacturers to get in on the action.

I like the idea of multiple video sources at a time very much and the increased panel refresh rate for gaming and sports. In my mind there is a lot of advantages over the 8350 that make it worth waiting. But I don't have a functioning PJ at the moment, so I'm getting more and more jealous by the day of those of you deciding to just grab the 8350. A bird in the hand and what not.
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...... But I don't have a functioning PJ at the moment, so I'm getting more and more jealous by the day of those of you deciding to just grab the 8350. A bird in the hand and what not.

Blame football... just couldn't wait any longer with week 3 of college football here.

I'll enjoy the 8350 for 1 or 2 seasons, then unload it on ebay and get a 5010 or something similar for ~$1200 new (and 6 sets of glasses for $100 by then too).
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I am ready to get the 5010 and get rid of my 8100. Is it selling for 2.1K?
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I am ready to get the 5010 and get rid of my 8100. Is it selling for 2.1K?

Not hardly...msrp is over 3k. Not sure on street price yet.
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If the reviews come in really positive the 3010 will be the replacement for my nearly 4 YO Epson PLV-Z4 projector.

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you have a very valid point, but most early reviews come with some caveats for the same reason. I think even art mentioned that the 3d was improving from demo to demo as they fixed the software.

There will be many features of the projector that are unchangeable at this late stage in the game, and while review units may not be the exact same experience as the once which eventually ship. I would very much appreciate some more reviews on the units now. Many of the posts in this topic are about waiting for the 3010 or getting the 8350. It would be a much easier decision to make if we had anything more to go on at the moment.
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I am curious as how one goes about updating the firmware in a 5010/6010 projector ?

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I am curious as how one goes about updating the firmware in a 5010/6010 projector ?

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Individually one usually does not. Epson can at factory/repair with a download cable.

On price, the Panasonic looks to be right at $3k street, so I expect the 5010 to be right around that as well.
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Is there any indication that they'll be discontinuing the 8350 when these come out? I was waiting to buy until the construction of my theatre is done, but I'm relying on the lens shift for placement. I don't want to have to buy the 5010 just to get lens shift, since it doesn't look like it will be on the 3010.
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Is there any indication that they'll be discontinuing the 8350 when these come out? I was waiting to buy until the construction of my theatre is done, but I'm relying on the lens shift for placement. I don't want to have to buy the 5010 just to get lens shift, since it doesn't look like it will be on the 3010.

I read somewhere in one of the Cedia reports on AVS the 8350 would still be current in this years line. Havn't seen anywhere it would be discounted.

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I read somewhere in one of the Cedia reports on AVS the 8350 would still be current in this years line. Havn't seen anywhere it would be discounted.

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will there be a price drop? Im hoping so
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Does anyone know if the Pro Cinema 6010 will do V stretch with 3-D?
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http://ht3d.blogspot.com/2011/09/eps...eh-tw9000.html

I found this on the epson projectors, and thought it would be helpful to the discussion on this thread. It answered alot of my questions.

I watched the entire video, then scrolled down to see a detailed description of each model and the difference between each. I didnt see any pricing though.

i think the 6010 is in strong contention for my next projector, as I wanted bright 3d with good placement flexibility (Lens Shift)......among other considerations.

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Epson 3010 w/2 pair Glasses
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Epson 5010 w/2 pair Glasses $3000.00
Epson 5010E (Wireless HD - comes w/no Glasses - $100.00 per pair) $3500
2400 lumens
200K:1 CR
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Hi MississippiMan:
I pre-purchased my 5010 a couple of weeks ago and I was not aware the 5010 came with Glasses? I think the glasses cost $99 (list) and are designed to part of the Multi-purpose 3d Glasses Consortium. Hence, you should be able to use glasses from Panasonic, Expands, Samsung, Sony, and of course Epson.

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Hi MississippiMan:
I pre-purchased my 5010 a couple of weeks ago and I was not aware the 5010 came with Glasses? I think the glasses cost $99 (list) and are designed to part of the Multi-purpose 3d Glasses Consortium. Hence, you should be able to use glasses from Panasonic, Expands, Samsung, Sony, and of course Epson.

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At CEDIA, it was related that there was two versions. One with 2x Glasses and no Wireless HDMI, and the reverse option...that costs more anyway and you have to buy your Glasses separately to boot.

IMHO, the Wireless HDMI option is a feckless thing, being poorly thought out and designed. With one being required to have the Sending unit mounted in the front of the room, that is not going to serve any real PJ advocate who knows better than to place equipment under a screen, or even to the side. I mean really...like they could not include a rear facing 900 Mhz Sensor or in the least a Receiver that had more gain?

Now if you do have equipment located toward the front (or to the side up front) and don't have access to the ceiling, it could be a very good thing. However I really don't think that will be the case in the majority of circumstances that involve those who are going to consider the purchase of the 5010 / 6010. The 3010 perhaps...but in truth I think that misbegotten, "Lens Shift-less" model is going to be the least popular Model Epson has ever released.

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In this blogspot link it says the split screen feature is for one hdmi and one other input. Does that mean we can't use two hdmi sources at the same time? if so then that feature just took a big hit. I was hoping to just run a matrix switcher at 4x2 and hit any combo of split screens I want
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I hope MM is correct and it results in Epson adding the lens shift for the next go.

I am perfectly happy with my 2d projector (used only for movies and want to keep it) and am willing to throw $1500 around to have a cheap and cheerful do-it-all-including-3D light cannon.

But I'm not willing to expend much effort to make it work in my existing room with my existing screen. Lens shift is pretty much a basic requirement
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http://ht3d.blogspot.com/2011/09/eps...eh-tw9000.html

I found this on the epson projectors, and thought it would be helpful to the discussion on this thread. It answered alot of my questions.

I watched the entire video, then scrolled down to see a detailed description of each model and the difference between each. I didnt see any pricing though.

i think the 6010 is in strong contention for my next projector, as I wanted bright 3d with good placement flexibility (Lens Shift)......among other considerations.

Well that was a quasi informative video. The rep seems to not fully know the product line's capabilities at times. Two things jumped out at me from that video.

1. The 8350 will be continued and there is good reason for that. It is a steal for what it can do for the money.

2. 3D Crosstalk/ghosting is "greatly mitigated" in the 3d models. I know saying crosstalk is eliminated would be a huge mistake but mitigated is not the same as virtually eliminated or some other choice. To me it seems to indicate that one can expect some crosstalk.

I hope I am wrong on the crosstalk thing but doubt it. And I agree with Miss-man that the lack of lens shift in the lower end model is a huge blunder. It will go head to head with the Optoma 33 which does flawless 3d with DLP link glasses. Everyone knows DLP does 3d right. So with no lens shift on either of these models, my nod would go to the HD33 except for the warranty which Epson is excellent with. Step up to the HD3300 and the warranty becomes moot.

So I hope the 3010 can deliver the 3d or it will be a blunder. The other products in the new lineup may well put them in the other 3k+ category. Now Epson is not new to this game so I am curious. Can they deliver better 3d than Sony and JVC using LCD? We will see. I do know that I was about to ebay my 8350 but after watching Lord of the Rings on bluray earlier, I was stunned with the IQ. I may just keep it and get a 720p unit just for the few times I watch 3d. I may be back to my original plan of two PJs after all, one for my 2d viewing and a portable/outback 3d 720p unit that has speakers.

Fortunately time is on my side now. I have a 2d PJ that has lens shift. I have a 61" DLP TV that does 3d right. There are other 3d PJs that are about to be released. Times are good for those who are patient. Back on topic, I hope Epson gets the 3d right on the 3010 because the lack of lens shift is a real disappointment for me. Seems that they forgot what made the 8350 the top selling PJ. Yes IQ is important but the flexibility ultimately sells that unit. It sold me and I am a DLP fanboy.
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Seems that they forgot what made the 8350 the top selling PJ. Yes IQ is important but the flexibility ultimately sells that unit. It sold me and I am a DLP fanboy.

Hi DLPFanBoy -- oops, I mean Mikes2Cents....

I have noticed a number of people have offered good thoughts about the 8350, however, I have never seen one in action. I see the 8350 advertised for $1000 on Ebay, and many of the online reviewers give it 5 stars, and the specs are not too bad for a 1080p projector.

You mentioned ...I do know that I was about to ebay my 8350 but after watching Lord of the Rings on bluray earlier... Can you elaborate on that a little more?

== edit ==

Just found this video by the projector people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr1lvVUW83U

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Epson has the new units up on there website,.
From what i can tell all these units have No Powered Lens Shift
Everything is manual
Do like the 5010e wireless hdmi feature
just wonder how it works..
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.... IMHO, the Wireless HDMI option is a feckless thing, being poorly thought out and designed. With one being required to have the Sending unit mounted in the front of the room, that is not going to serve any real PJ advocate who knows better than to place equipment under a screen, or even to the side.

You are correct, there are several issues with the wireless HDMI, including aethstetics as you pointed out. I would think someone who is hardcore about video quality and data delivery would stick to hard wired -- even if they did not like running wire or having to bore a hole through concrete. Although wireless HDMI is great (watch the blonde guy running around on the field during Sunday Night Football with his steady cam!), it can be very expensive if you want real quality. I would rather spend the money on 3D Glasses or at least a new man-fridge for the basement!

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Got to agree that the lack of lens shift puts the 3010 in a category of it's own - an LCD without placement flexibility - which should hobble it in the marketplace. On the other hand, if it is significantly brighter than the Optoma 3300 and not significantly worse in crosstalk, then it could be preferable after all. I am so eager to read head to head comparisons between the two.

I, too already have a serviceable 3d display and am content enough to wait hopefully. Not the least regret for jumping into 3d with the Oppo HD66 as it puts me in the cat bird seat now.
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Does anyone know if the Pro Cinema 6010 will do V stretch with 3-D?

The Pan AE 7000 will not but I keep reading that the 5010/6010 has Full anamorphic lens support (two modes) so does this mean yes you can do the v-stretch during 3-D mode?

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Does anyone know if the Pro Cinema 6010 will do V stretch with 3-D?

The Pan AE 7000 will not but I keep reading that the 5010/6010 has Full anamorphic lens support (two modes) so does this mean yes you can do the v-stretch during 3-D mode?


With the 6010 having the lack of a Powered zoom or lens shift would tell me it cant do it,.
but someone please tell me if I am wrong...
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