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Well that was a quasi informative video. The rep seems to not fully know the product line's capabilities at times. Two things jumped out at me from that video.

1. The 8350 will be continued and there is good reason for that. It is a steal for what it can do for the money.

2. 3D Crosstalk/ghosting is "greatly mitigated" in the 3d models. I know saying crosstalk is eliminated would be a huge mistake but mitigated is not the same as virtually eliminated or some other choice. To me it seems to indicate that one can expect some crosstalk.

I hope I am wrong on the crosstalk thing but doubt it. And I agree with Miss-man that the lack of lens shift in the lower end model is a huge blunder. It will go head to head with the Optoma 33 which does flawless 3d with DLP link glasses. Everyone knows DLP does 3d right. So with no lens shift on either of these models, my nod would go to the HD33 except for the warranty which Epson is excellent with. Step up to the HD3300 and the warranty becomes moot.

So I hope the 3010 can deliver the 3d or it will be a blunder. The other products in the new lineup may well put them in the other 3k+ category. Now Epson is not new to this game so I am curious. Can they deliver better 3d than Sony and JVC using LCD? We will see. I do know that I was about to ebay my 8350 but after watching Lord of the Rings on bluray earlier, I was stunned with the IQ. I may just keep it and get a 720p unit just for the few times I watch 3d. I may be back to my original plan of two PJs after all, one for my 2d viewing and a portable/outback 3d 720p unit that has speakers.

Fortunately time is on my side now. I have a 2d PJ that has lens shift. I have a 61" DLP TV that does 3d right. There are other 3d PJs that are about to be released. Times are good for those who are patient. Back on topic, I hope Epson gets the 3d right on the 3010 because the lack of lens shift is a real disappointment for me. Seems that they forgot what made the 8350 the top selling PJ. Yes IQ is important but the flexibility ultimately sells that unit. It sold me and I am a DLP fanboy.

That is the 64k question for me. That is exactly why i'm holding off on my purchase. Even though the wait is killing me, I think it would behoove me to wait until more of the PJs on my list are handled by AVSers. I think my shortlist is EPSON 5010, JVC RS45, MITS 7800, PANA 7000, and maybe the Sony 30. So many good choices!!

However, I think the Sony 30, might be overpriced now that some of the similar PJs in the same class are much lower cost and "Feature rich". But that is just my humble opinion.

The one thing that is turning me off with the epson, as compared to the Panny(i think) and the JVC 45 is lens memory. I have never experienced this feature and from what AVS says it is all that and a bag of cookies. So, do I wanna sacrifice brightness on the epson, and go for the JVC, PANNY?

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That is the 64k question for me. That is exactly why i'm holding off on my purchase. Even though the wait is killing me, I think it would behoove me to wait until more of the PJs on my list are handled by AVSers. I think my shortlist is EPSON 5010, JVC RS45, MITS 7800, PANA 7000, and maybe the Sony 30. So many good choices!!

However, I think the Sony 30, might be overpriced now that some of the similar PJs in the same class are much lower cost and "Feature rich". But that is just my humble opinion.

The one thing that is turning me off with the epson, as compared to the Panny(i think) and the JVC 45 is lens memory. I have never experienced this feature and from what AVS says it is all that and a bag of cookies. So, do I wanna sacrifice brightness on the epson, and go for the JVC, PANNY?

after seeing what CEDIA offered up, I decided to spend a grand on the 8350. Have watched 3 weeks of football now and a few 1080p movies (MKV) on the WDTV. Fantastic! No regrets. Will get a 5010 or similar in a few years when 3d more cemented in market and the PJs go for a grand and glasses for 20/ea. We really need more than 1 3d channel on FIOS!
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Im no projector expert by far but I can't wait for the 5010e to be out. Ive read everything I could about them. In fact im mad now I bought the 8350. The 8350 is truly a 5 star projector to me even on my 160 inch diy neutral-grey painted wall screen. But what the 5010e has to offer for probably around the same price of the 8700ub this time last year is almost a must have to me. I just hope I can use the same wall and sell my 8350.
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Given that this generation of 3D emitters incorporated in projectors is IR based, does anyone know if connecting an external emitter disables the internal emitter - or if it's possible to do so from the configuration menus? I'm guessing we'll get the answer sooner or later from the manual (which I expect to show up at http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/s...oType=Overview) if the answer isn't known yet.

I'm thinking that this makes the external emitter quite attractive even if it isn't necessary otherwise as this seems like a good fix for avoiding IR lockup issues caused by the projector emitting 3D synch IR signals toward the front of the room where I'm guessing many of us will have located our IR receiver.
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Im no projector expert by far but I can't wait for the 5010e to be out. Ive read everything I could about them. In fact im mad now I bought the 8350. The 8350 is truly a 5 star projector to me even on my 160 inch diy neutral-grey painted wall screen. But what the 5010e has to offer for probably around the same price of the 8700ub this time last year is almost a must have to me. I just hope I can use the same wall and sell my 8350.

The only thing Epson screwed up on the 5010 (and 3010/6010) is not including lens memory. If they had included that, it would've been a killer projector, and a no-brainer. Instead, I decided to go with the JVC RS45, which JVC added lens memory and dropped the price over $1,000 from last year's RS40 model. My order is already in, just waiting for delivery!

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The only thing Epson screwed up on the 5010 (and 3010/6010) is not including lens memory. If they had included that, it would've been a killer projector, and a no-brainer. Instead, I decided to go with the JVC RS45, which JVC added lens memory and dropped the price over $1,000 from last year's RS40 model. My order is already in, just waiting for delivery!

I know what you mean. Having lens memory would be real nice. But what I think is a seller for me is the split screen and 2d to 3d conversion which i read is nice but dont know much about it. Plus the lumens and contrast ratio is an added bonus. Im no expert and i've never seen a 3d projector except once in a theatre so i could be wrong and it could be junk. But im definitely excited for a real review.
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I know what you mean. Having lens memory would be real nice. But what I think is a seller for me is the split screen and 2d to 3d conversion which i read is nice but dont know much about it. Plus the lumens and contrast ratio is an added bonus. Im no expert and i've never seen a 3d projector except once in a theatre so i could be wrong and it could be junk. But im definitely excited for a real review.

Yeah, wait for the reviews, especially if you are looking at the 3010. Without lens shift the 8350 had, it is competing directly with the HD33 and I do not see it winning the 3d battle and possibly the 2d one.
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Yeah, wait for the reviews, especially if you are looking at the 3010. Without lens shift the 8350 had, it is competing directly with the HD33 and I do not see it winning the 3d battle and possibly the 2d one.

I agree. I wouldn't go from 8350 to the 3010 just because of not having lens shift. My 8350 is ceiling mounted so i have to use it. Im considering the 5010 and w/o wireless hdmi bcuz its 500 dollars cheaper. But i do have a stupid question. When i bought my 8350 i also upgraded hdmi cables. I bought this 90 dollar hdmi cord from HHGREGGthats supposedly 3d and internet ready with 240hz refresh rate. So my question is if i get a 3d projector like the Epson with 480hz refresh rate then does that mean I have to buy a new hdmi cord.
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In Europe the models appear to be 5900, 6000 and 9000. Here's an article that talks about crosstalk being visible at a press briefing, which is a bit disappointing:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/epson-3_Projector_review
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It doesn't appear to them very objectionable.

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Particularly exciting was the lack of crosstalk. It's not been completely eradicated, but it never seems to appear around key, foregrounded objects, even if they're bright ones appearing against a dark backdrop. Even when we did spot occasional traces of crosstalk in the background, it tended to be of a very low level - certainly less readily apparent than it is even on the recently reviewed Sony VPL-HW30ES - allowing the picture to focus your attention instead on its excellent portrayal of HD 3D detailing and sharpness.

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Have updated review and pics of the 6010 on my facebook page
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Fraisa,

I'm looking at the 5010, which should be pretty much the same performance as the 6010. I have a 135" 16:9 screen at 1.2 gain currently lit up by an Epson 720. Will I be able to get a decent amount of lumens for 3D at that size? I have been excited about 3D, but I don't want 150 lumens which seems like the current average for 3d....or maybe I'm wrong about that. I guess I don't want to spend money just to have to go down to a 100" screen in 3D. I would be willing to run 3D in the brightest mode if necessary.

Thanks for any info you can give!

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Have updated review and pics of the 6010 on my facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/notes/presti...70112859684813

"The Pro Cinema 6010 still needs work for 3D, which is OK.." Well while I cannot say I am surprised, I am somewhat disappointed. I was hopeful, alas I surely do not expect the 3010 to fare any better. Maybe they are still tweaking the units. So much for the higher speed fixing the issues. Looks like my 3d preference will remain DLP.
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The Panasonic reviewed below uses 480Hz LCD panels, and they appear to have solved the crosstalk problem.

http://www.avforums.com/review/Panas...or-Review.html
(US equivalent is the PT-AE7000)

It certainly looks like 480Hz panels have potential.
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When i bought my 8350 i also upgraded hdmi cables. I bought this 90 dollar hdmi cord from HHGREGGthats supposedly 3d and internet ready with 240hz refresh rate. So my question is if i get a 3d projector like the Epson with 480hz refresh rate then does that mean I have to buy a new hdmi cord.

The panels may be 480Hz, but that doesn't mean that you're actually sending it a 480Hz signal. Watching 3D TV at 1080p 60Hz still only sends the equivalent data of 120Hz 2D, so if you're hdmi cable has the bandwidth capacity to do that, then I think you'll be fine.
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The Panasonic reviewed below uses 480Hz LCD panels, and they appear to have solved the crosstalk problem.

http://www.avforums.com/review/Panas...or-Review.html
(US equivalent is the PT-AE7000)

It certainly looks like 480Hz panels have potential.

The LCD used in the Panasonic Projector are made by Epson.
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The LCD used in the Panasonic Projector are made by Epson.

Yes they are, and the part where they said free from crosstalk after hours of viewing is encouraging. There may be hope but I will have to wait for more reviews on this. Somehow I am skeptical.
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The panels may be 480Hz, but that doesn't mean that you're actually sending it a 480Hz signal. Watching 3D TV at 1080p 60Hz still only sends the equivalent data of 120Hz 2D, so if you're hdmi cable has the bandwidth capacity to do that, then I think you'll be fine.

THANKS. I was hoping i didnt have to go out and buy another $100 hdmi cord. That is if the projector is all good when its said and done and being shipped out for use.
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Fraisa,

I'm looking at the 5010, which should be pretty much the same performance as the 6010. I have a 135" 16:9 screen at 1.2 gain currently lit up by an Epson 720. Will I be able to get a decent amount of lumens for 3D at that size? I have been excited about 3D, but I don't want 150 lumens which seems like the current average for 3d....or maybe I'm wrong about that. I guess I don't want to spend money just to have to go down to a 100" screen in 3D. I would be willing to run 3D in the brightest mode if necessary.

Thanks for any info you can give!

The 5010 is the Home Cinema Version
The 6010 is the Pro CInema Version
Pro includes extra Bulb , Mount , Cable Cover and Extra Yr Warranty

One difference i have found in the past between the 2 series is less Pro models are manufactored vs the Home Models
Therefore some of the problems that the home series had the pro series didnt ...

Other than that yes the same projector
one is white the other black

For Me i do see huge value going to Pro vs Home

but for the person who doesnt want the extras and has tighter budget the home would be more attractive
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Fraisa,

So, my main concern was regarding light output for 3D. Do you have any comment on the 5010/6010 for 3D vs other PJs?

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I do so that you can only use one hdmi source when dual viewing in 2d. This is dispapointing, I was hoping to use a 4x2 matrix set up and then be able to watch any combo of my devices without much extra work. Now I'll have to find a way to get some of the sources to the PJ via component so that I can split screen them. It will still be fun to have two 360's hooked up at the same time in split screen, even if one is using component.
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Fraisa,

So, my main concern was regarding light output for 3D. Do you have any comment on the 5010/6010 for 3D vs other PJs?

Again as mentioned in my note,
With regards to Light Output this unit is rated 50 % more vs last yrs 9700
It is able to produce a good image in 3d with lots of color
I have also done testing with the Mits 9000 in 3d and in Ambient Light...
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Thanks Fraisa. This is very good news. I was hoping I would be able to keep my image at 135" for 3D.

Do you (or anyone else) know if it can be connected to an HTPC or only a Bluray player for 3D? I'd like to be able to play PC games in 3D and I understand it is not always possible even with a 3D PJ.

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fraisa have you tested the optoma hd3300 in comparison?

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fraisa have you tested the optoma hd3300 in comparison?

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The 5010 is the Home Cinema Version
The 6010 is the Pro CInema Version
Pro includes extra Bulb , Mount , Cable Cover and Extra Yr Warranty

One difference i have found in the past between the 2 series is less Pro models are manufactored vs the Home Models
Therefore some of the problems that the home series had the pro series didnt ...

Other than that yes the same projector
one is white the other black

For Me i do see huge value going to Pro vs Home

but for the person who doesnt want the extras and has tighter budget the home would be more attractive

I'm thinking that the best mode should be better than 700 lumens. JVC and SONY on their LOWEST end machines (HD250 and HW30) are BOTH getting above 800 lumens in best mode.
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Again as mentioned in my note,
With regards to Light Output this unit is rated 50 % more vs last yrs 9700
It is able to produce a good image in 3d with lots of color
I have also done testing with the Mits 9000 in 3d and in Ambient Light...

Light output to go towards 3D is always nice. I hope they also have plenty of it available for 2D as well! It's annoying though with all this potential light available for 2d they don't have a manual iris setting. I know it would just be a software thing to control the iris thats already in there - they should just do it.

The 61000 is going to have a 'lens iris' setting in addition to the auto iris setting. They're sitting right next to each other in one of the menus (I saw a picture somewhere). It's in the users manual too.
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I've seen conflicting reports of lamp life for these projectors. Some sites list 4000 hours like the previous Epson projectors, other sites list 6000 hours ("Epson's exclusive 230W E-TORLĀ® (Epson Twin Optics Reflection Lamp) offering high brightness and up to 6,000 hours of lamp life"). The lamp spec doesn't appear to be on Epson's site. Does anyone know wht the real number is?
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Well according to Visual Apex, at least the 3010 should be shipping next week. Hope to start seeing some real user reviews soon.
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