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Great timing, as I will soon be in the market for a new projector. The 3100 is $1599 and comes with 2 active shutter glasses!

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from what art say IQ in 2D of 3100 can have a good improvement compared with 8350.

if this is true the epson 3100 is a very very nice that isnt just a epson 8350 with 3D but was just a first impression from Art so better to be not very excited (like happen with optoma HD33)
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Will these have lens shift?
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Will these have lens shift?

I think I read in the IFA press releases that only the 5100 and up would have lens shift.
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Ok thanks thought i read that but wasnt sure.
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No thanks, I'll pass.

Having a set of glasses for my Samsung D7000 LED and another set of glasses for a projector is a non-starter.
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Having lens memory for 2.35 ratio like the competing Panny has would be great for the 5010/6010, didn't see any mention of it in the article though...
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I'm all over that 5100e! Sounds just about perfect.

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Yeah, I'll be comparing the 2 5100 options against the Panny 10k. I really don't have much use for wireless or 3D, but a high-output setting would be a good thing for me.
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Might have to get that 5010 that thing is nice..

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Any chance the 5010 will be priced around $2000 like the 8700?
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Greetings, Yep, these are pretty much all new projectors, starting with they are using the new series of D9 panels that run at 480hz. New cabinet new optics I believe on the lower cost 3010s with, I think 1.6:1 or 1.8:1 zoom, but I don't have full specs. I'm pretty sure it was one of those, down from 2.1:1. Still, it's one hell of a lot easier to make a great, and bright 1.6:1 than a 2.1:1 zoom.

None of them are ready yet, but I'm always amazed what happens in the last 30-45 days between engineering samples, and even the final pre-production units, let alone full production... I think Epson may have hit the motherload with the two 3010s... Of course the 5010, will be more than the old 8700UB (has to be... figure it competes directly with the panny. so this way, they have a projector that should have improved blacks (and brightness) over the 8350... expanding the line, plus the 3D.

This is going to be one fun fall. I even hear Epson will again be showing the 61000, the reflective LCD projector that they announced last year, but disappeared into a black hole. If that's the case, Epson's replacing two projectors - the 8700UB and 9700UB, with, count them at least six models with the 61000 included, given that some are just variations of features. -art

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Are these going to go into production anytime soon or will they be months off?
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Any chance the 5010 will be priced around $2000 like the 8700?

I sure wouldn't expect that. Think this way. Panasonic set their price in the $3K - $3.5K (MAP and MSRP). I don't think in 4 generations of Epson "UB" projectors (counting the 5010 as a UB), that they have ever been more than +/- $200 of the Panasonic, and typically, they are the higher of the two. (you can rationalize it just on warranty and support).

And that is no doubt why there are the new 3010's. Not UB contrast but, more improvement, over, say the 8350/8100. (3D too, of course).

-art I'm dying to get the 5010 in for review. If they clean it up, beautifully, I'll probably buy one, based on what I saw. Anyone need a used JVC?

I'm a 3D fan, and I saw every under $15K 3D projector last year but for one JVC, and I wouldn't buy any, due to limited brightness for 3D. For those of us who are big fans of 3D (and I'm more into it for non-movies, than movies), these new Epson's and Panasonic look to be the first one's bright enough for me to consider. (That is assuming you don't spend for a $70K Runco, or some lower but still hefty priced projectiondesigns, and Digital Projection projectors.

As a reviewer, I thought last year was the most boring collection of retuned retreads, with only a few seriously new projectors. It was almost depressing. This year, though, is going to be a blast...

Have fun, choose wisely, and remember - it's about the content, not the toys... (ok, it's part about the toys) -art

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Greetings all,

A couple of things: The title of this thread has the model numbers all wrong. Can someone at AVS correct that, so not to confuse people? the 1 and the first zero are reversed. Here are the model numbers:

Home Cinema 3010
Home Cinema 3010e
Home Cinema 5010
Home Cinema 5010e
Pro Cinema 6010

While I could be wrong (I'm not) those were the numbers right on the projectors...

someone asked about lens shift on the 3010 series. I must confess, I just don't recall whether they had lens shift. It was a very busy day playing with the projectors, but I was mostly focused on performance. I must confess I barely even looked at the menus, but did see a lot of content... Yes the 5010 and 6010 definitely do have lens shift.

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I'll check back with the Epson folks, and update the 3010 and 3010e "first looks" on my site. (I've got my fingers crossed, too.)

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At last! A reason to upgrade my Epson 6100!!!
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someone asked about lens shift on the 3010 series. I must confess, I just don't recall whether they had lens shift. It was a very busy day playing with the projectors, but I was mostly focused on performance. I must confess I barely even looked at the menus, but did see a lot of content... Yes the 5010 and 6010 definitely do have lens shift.

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I can't see any reason they wouldn't have lens shift.
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Having lens memory for 2.35 ratio like the competing Panny has would be great for the 5010/6010, didn't see any mention of it in the article though...

Hi, the problem with lens memory, relative to the Epson's is that they aren't motorized. In almost all cases, you need all three, zoom, lens shift, then focus to be motorized. You can do it by hand with any projector that has about a 1.5:1 zoom range or more, although if only 1.5:1, you'll virtually have to place it exactly at one distance, plus a few inches. - art

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I'm jumping on the HC3010 with no hesitation if it has lens shift. I really do like the flexibility of having lens shift... if they don't have it, then I'll have to think long and hard and consider some mounting adjustments for current setup.
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Greetings all,

A couple of things: The title of this thread has the model numbers all wrong. Can someone at AVS correct that, so not to confuse people?

Oops. Sorry about that. Yes, please correct them!
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I can't see any reason they wouldn't have lens shift.

Thats what I thought, but check the IFA 2011 thread for Epson in the $3000+ forum and in the starting post you will see that the cheaper models dont come with lens shift at all..
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This is going to be one fun fall. I even hear Epson will again be showing the 61000, the reflective LCD projector that they announced last year, but disappeared into a black hole. If that's the case, Epson's replacing two projectors - the 8700UB and 9700UB, with, count them at least six models with the 61000 included, given that some are just variations of features. -art

More than 'showing".

I have one on order from a direct Epson source for delivery in late Sept. Same source that got me the 8350 3 months before general release back in June 2010. Last I checked I'm on track to have one in my hands within that time frame.

1 Mil:1 Dynamic CR. You can betcha I'll be reviewing it about 1 hour after receipt, lemmie tell ya sumpthin'!

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Wonder what the price of 3100 be around the holidays this year, thoughts? Now I am contemplating between Optoma HD33 and Epson 3100.
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Thats what I thought, but check the IFA 2011 thread for Epson in the $3000+ forum and in the starting post you will see that the cheaper models dont come with lens shift at all..

I guess I'll have to save and get the 5100 then.
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HC-5010 - Lens Memory??? Is there a CMS System??

How does the 200,000:1 CR of the HC-5010 compare to the 300,000:1 CR of the Panasonic PT-AE7000??? Is there a noticiable difference?

Lens Memory is a deal breaker for me, compared to the Panny PT-AE7000... Last year's Epson vaporware HC-21000/31000/61000 were all supposed to have the lens memory feature... And the 21000/31000 were supposed to carry a 500,000:1 CR.... I'm actually a little disappointed with the HC5010 specs vs. the vaporware 21000/31000....

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HC-5010 - Lens Memory??? Is there a CMS System??

How does the 200,000:1 CR of the HC-5010 compare to the 300,000:1 CR of the Panasonic PT-AE7000??? Is there a noticiable difference?

Lens Memory is a deal breaker for me, compared to the Panny PT-AE7000... Last year's Epson vaporware HC-21000/31000/61000 were all supposed to have the lens memory feature... And the 21000/31000 were supposed to carry a 500,000:1 CR.... I'm actually a little disappointed with the HC5010 specs vs. the vaporware 21000/31000....
The spec's themselves are vaporware. The only units in this line up that interest me are the 21000 and up models. All of those large CR numbers are nothing more than marketing. I wouldn't base anything on it.

I think people get too caught up in those numbers.I'm thinking there are projectors with CR numbers not cracking 30,000:1 that will eat some of these units for breakfast in true dynamic range.
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I'm a 3D fan, and I saw every under $15K 3D projector last year but for one JVC, and I wouldn't buy any, due to limited brightness for 3D. For those of us who are big fans of 3D (and I'm more into it for non-movies, than movies), these new Epson's and Panasonic look to be the first one's bright enough for me to consider.
Art, the Panasonic looks pretty weak for lumen output based on the PC review.

480hz panels aside, the new crop of 3D DLP 1080p projectors are likely going to crush the LCD's and 2nd gen LCOS when it comes to a completely ghost free image in 3D.. especially with SBS content.
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Art, the Panasonic looks pretty weak for lumen output based on the PC review.

480hz panels aside, the new crop of 3D DLP 1080p projectors are likely going to crush the LCD's and 2nd gen LCOS when it comes to a completely ghost free image in 3D.. especially with SBS content.
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The panny looked pretty good in 3D up at their labs when the press first saw it. Their theater - far, far larger than anyone's home theater - maybe 50 feet deep, is almost the equivalent of an anechoic chamber for speakers. That is, real close to black. The brightest objects in that room, when its at its best, are the brighter shirts of the people in the room.

Evan thought it did very well in his review. I'm still waiting. In if you dig toward the back he does point out that it does 1900 lumens max. Early on, I took him to being saying about 1300 was all it had. But he wasn't talking max, at that point.

Hey, when it comes in to me getting my hands on the Panny, I'll let you all know. those of you have been following, know that I've be screaming bluddy murder about the 3D brightness of almost all the 1080p projectors.

Hey, can't spend too much time here, gotta go write something. But I'll drop by occasionally as the best new projectors come in, to answer a few questions.

Disclosure: I am biased, significantly. I freely admit it. I rave about projectors I really like. There are often other projectors (that I like, but don't rave about) that some smart people like as much or more. Gawd, my hobby is my job. That doesn't suck too much.

Well there I go rambling again... -art

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[quote=DMark1;20903146]HC-5010 - Lens Memory??? Is there a CMS System??

How does the 200,000:1 CR of the HC-5010 compare to the 300,000:1 CR of the Panasonic PT-AE7000??? Is there a noticiable difference?

Greetings DMark,

I wouldn't worry about the numbers. The top of the line JVC's have lower specs and still will beat both... When I'm reviewing, I compare photos I take, but mostly I spend a lot of time paying attention to how they look and affect the overall image, which, of course is what it's about. Forget the numbers. For example, when I'm writing, I classify about 1/3 of the projectors out there as Ultra-High-Contrast - if they qualify for that subjective honor, then I'll say - you've reached the point, where you are close enough, that black levels are no longer the holy grail, and other factors at that point, become more important. I love great backs, though. Can't wait to try them both, at my place. -art

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Evan thought it did very well in his review. I'm still waiting. In if you dig toward the back he does point out that it does 1900 lumens max. Early on, I took him to being saying about 1300 was all it had. But he wasn't talking max, at that point.

Hey, when it comes in to me getting my hands on the Panny, I'll let you all know. those of you have been following, know that I've be screaming bluddy murder about the 3D brightness of almost all the 1080p projectors.

art - hi, I was mainly referring to the 2D output which barely cracked 500 D65 lumens.. this is RS50/RS60 territory making me think the torch mode in 3D will have colors off the scale.

looking forward to your comments on the upcoming models.
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