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Digital Projectors - Under $3,000 USD MSRP

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http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/products/ar100/

Everything seems to be better than the 4000U except for

1. only 68% vertical adjustment
2. no lens memory (but there is "screen memory", whatever that is)
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Yeah, total disappointment. Either get this which is below the 4000 abilities or the 7000 which has stuff maybe u don't want... ie 3d and a much higher price.

Way to go panasonic by completely miss the middle of the road. Ill be looking for another vendor to buy from.
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supposedly there will be 1 or 2 more projector from Pana this year. One will definitely above the 7000 so maybe there is a chance for another model that is a direct replacement of the 4000 (although I quite doubt it)
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Unless this screen memory thing is their new term for lens memory....
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I'm hoping for that... although the 68% vertical shift is making the projector mounting even more difficult
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This projector has manual zoom and focus I believe, which rules out lens memory for it unfortunately.
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Unless they discontinue the 4000, I don't see the point of getting this projector over the 4000
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Unless this screen memory thing is their new term for lens memory....

The lens is manual zoom & focus so it must be something else.
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panasonic = fall down
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I think the phrase "epic failure" is more appropriate.
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I think the phrase "epic failure" is more appropriate.
"fall down" is >2010 for epic fail. Get with the lingo.

Say it a few times, it's much smoother and more satisfying.

Your neighbor leaves his lawnmower out overnight and it gets stolen, just say to him, "fallllllllllll down". High pitch on the "fall", lower on the "down."
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I have just enough tech understanding to be dangerous to myself and others standing nearby, so perhaps some knowledgeable person will offer an opinion. My setup is total darkness dedicated theater, 15 foot throw (13 foot viewing) to a 110" white fixed screen. BluRay DVD and Directv HD sources.
I'm really very happy with the output (brightness, color, 720 NR) of my four year old PT-AX200U with one exception - the dreaded "background blurries". John Wayne's static closeup in the foreground is as sharp as I could want but the Indians riding by in the background are blurry. My wife doesn't even see it but it drives me nuts! I assume this is caused by a refresh rate (?) that is much lower than my HD plasma TV.
On the new PT-AR100/AH1000 theRGB Scanning frequency is: H: 15 kHz–74 kHz, fV: 24 Hz–85 Hz,dot clock: 154 MHz or lower as opposed to my AX200U's fH 30–70 kHz, fV 50– 87 Hz Dot clock: Less than 150 MHz
AX200 Brightness: 2000 lumens AR100: 2800 lumens
AX200 Contrast: 6,000:1 AR100: 50,000:1
Are the specs on the new AR-100 going to make a big "spend the money" difference in what I see? In the past, I was told by good honest sales reps at two of "everybody's favorite online dealers" that the AE-4000 just wasn't going to make that much difference in my results and to wait for the next generation. As I have NO interest in the 3D fad (the third attempt to lipstick this pig in my lifetime) does the AR100 look like it's going to be the model I've been waiting for?
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I really do hope they dot not see this projector as the follow up to the 4000, as this seems to have way less features and is not as flexible with its position in the room when installing. I did not hear any news about any other projectors for home cinema use from Panasonic this year unfortunately, hope I am wrong..
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Sorry, I meant this release year, ie Sept 2011 through Aug 2012.
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The lens is manual zoom & focus so it must be something else.

I bet it is digital, much like the Mits projectors. Sounds like it is the LCD equivalent to the Mits HC4000, except it has a digital shift.
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Digital what? I don't understand. We're talking about the "mystery" of the "screen memory" feature. .
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Digital what? I don't understand. We're talking about the "mystery" of the "screen memory" feature. .

Most of the Mits projectors have a feature where they can be used for 2.35 without gray bars. The HC4000 has this (using remote only) feature and that projector has manual zoom and manual focus. Mits does this digitally not optically.
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So, wasn't $2k the MSRP on the Panny 4000? Aside from more light, this one is missing a lot of features from the 4k. I'm a bit surprised at the same MSRP. If I am wrong and $2K was the MAP and the AR100 ends up with a MAP below $1,500 then I am interested. It is going to have to be priced like an Epson 8350 to compete (and win) against the Epson.
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I'm surprised someone who is at CEDIA isn't responding to the question about "screen memory", would take about 30 seconds to ask a Panny rep...
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People at CEDIA are usually for business and won't have time to peruse the forums. When I went to CEDIA and CES usually I spend 14 hours-16 hours walking the floor and writing the recap of each day.
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trimule

I'm also looking at upgrading my 720p PT-AX200U. I've been holding out for a really bright 1080p projector that's less than $2k and this looks like a pretty obvious choice.
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podaman - Looks like we're going to have to wait and see what the actual selling price is going to be and if the dealers are going to dump the 4000 model.
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"fall down" is >2010 for epic fail. Get with the lingo. :d

say it a few times, it's much smoother and more satisfying.

Your neighbor leaves his lawnmower out overnight and it gets stolen, just say to him, "fallllllllllll down". High pitch on the "fall", lower on the "down."

lol
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So, wasn't $2k the MSRP on the Panny 4000? Aside from more light, this one is missing a lot of features from the 4k. I'm a bit surprised at the same MSRP. If I am wrong and $2K was the MAP and the AR100 ends up with a MAP below $1,500 then I am interested. It is going to have to be priced like an Epson 8350 to compete (and win) against the Epson.

I was wrong, 4k has an MSRP of 2,500 or so. If the AR100 follows and has a MAP around $1,500, then it could be very interesting. Competitive with the Epson 8350.
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I met with a Panasonic marketing type at CEDIA and he said the AE4000 will still be in their projector line-up as the mid-priced model. The AE4000 has an MSRP of about $500 more than the new entry-level AR100. Panasonic projectors will normally have a MAP lower than the MSRP.
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As long as the 4000 is still available, then Im fine with it. I'm waiting for the annoumcement of the 9000 which may be either LCOS or 21:9 native LCD.
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What about smooth screen technology. is it still included in this PJ ? I can't find it mentioned anywhere in the specs.
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yeah, interesting that it's not listed on the spec sheet.
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What about smooth screen technology. is it still included in this PJ ? I can't find it mentioned anywhere in the specs.

With the fill percentage that they are getting off of the new generation chips it may not be required. I never exactly figured out what smoothscreen was, slight de-focus or slight bloom of each pixel.
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smoorthscreen is neither defocus nor bloom.

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