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i want to know which one is better for both 2d and 3d movies.

Optmus or Epson projector.
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I suppose this thread had to happen, but the Hd33 is available now and has been reviewed with good 2D and excellent 3D and no crosstalk.

The 3010, however, has not been reviewed to any full extent, except for "expert reviewer" individuals seeing it on display and toying with it. First impressions have been good 2D and great 3D with some apparent ghosting, but no one has been able to really say that's true or not yet.

Both projectors are supposed to be bright enough for 3D. I think the jury is still out on comparing these to any real numbers yet--mostly subjective up this point and 2D on either projector is a toss up with 3010 having slightly better black levels and overall contrast, but HD33 having more "pop.". See individual threads for each.

My opinion after reading all the hype.
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As the Epson isn't out yet, no one will be able to anwer your question.

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The Epson will be brighter (Optoma claim: 1800 lumens, 1148 measured max,)
has a much wider zoom range 1.6 to 1.2 the Optoma,
is compatible to the M-3DI Standard,

I am in the process to compare some of the new 1080p 3D
http://ht3d.blogspot.com/
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The Epson will be brighter (Optoma claim: 1800 lumens, 1148 measured max,)
has a much wider zoom range 1.6 to 1.2 the Optoma,
is compatible to the M-3DI Standard,

I am in the process to compare some of the new 1080p 3D
http://ht3d.blogspot.com/

Just fyi, your website doesn't download well--gets jerky when trying to scroll through it--at least for me with Windows 7 and IE9.
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sorry, but the blog what loads from the google servers works well from 3 different pc´s
anyone else who has problems loading?
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sorry, but the blog what loads from the google servers works well from 3 different pc´s
anyone else who has problems loading?

Loads fine for me both on IE8 and Firefox 3.6.22 with win7.
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What one has cheaper replacement bulbs?
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Anyone knowledgeable about 3D and PC videogames? Seems like the Epson can accept 60hz at 1080 over HDMI, which would be better than the HD33. Is this accurate?
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Anyone knowledgeable about 3D and PC videogames? Seems like the Epson can accept 60hz at 1080 over HDMI, which would be better than the HD33. Is this accurate?

I thought they both could do 60hz at 1080?
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This is the $1500 question, and we will have better answers in about 3 weeks. I bet there will not be a clear winner and that DLP vs. LCD differences will prevail. I will be interested to know whether the 3010 has just as little crosstalk as the HD3300 has little rainbow effect. I'd like to know if the brief flash of the 3010 significantly reduces any eye fatigue experienced by people sensitive to active glasses. We all would like to know if the 3010 has really noticeably brighter 3D picture. Wish we could find out sooner rather than later how each projector stands up as the bulbs age.
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Anyone knowledgeable about 3D and PC videogames? Seems like the Epson can accept 60hz at 1080 over HDMI, which would be better than the HD33. Is this accurate?

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I thought they both could do 60hz at 1080?

1080p60 for 3D, right? According to the manuals:

http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/p...plhc3010ug.pdf page 82
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http://www.optomausa.com/webresource...183f394a43.pdf page 51

The Epson supports 3D: 1080p at 24/50/60hz (no formats specified)
The Optoma supports 3D: 1080i at 50/60hz for either Top-and-Bottom or SBS, and 1080p at 24 hz for frame packed and top and bottom. It also supports 720p at 50/60hz for everything and 1024x768@120hz frame sequential on VGA.

So you may be on to something... but who knows what mode the Epson supports 1080p@60hz... but understanding if it's a half format or a frame packed format would be helpful.
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This is the $1500 question, and we will have better answers in about 3 weeks. I bet there will not be a clear winner and that DLP vs. LCD differences will prevail.

I can't wait that long! I was already to jump all over the HD3300, but I'm fairly sensitive to RBE... so this Epson is probably my only hope.
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only hope? Either of these PJs is going to be killer at $1500. There's no hope, only reality!

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only hope? Either of these PJs is going to be killer at $1500. There's no hope, only reality!

Yes, and the reality is that I'm quite bothered/sensitive to RBE. So the Optoma probably would be killer- as in killer headache.
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i heard it has a 6x wheel though. I have both LCD and DLP and they each have their own use, I feel bad for those with RBE sensitivity...

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i heard it has a 6x wheel though. I have both LCD and DLP and they each have their own use, I feel bad for those with RBE sensitivity...

Yes, it has a 6x wheel... or a 3x wheel spinning twice as fast... however you want to slice it. I was hoping this would prevent RBE for myself and others... but the Optoma thread has enough people trying not to see RBE that I'm figuring I probably wouldn't be happy with it.
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What is it is on day one this projector is extremly bright even I saw a couple of rainbows glancing away when I did. But as soon as the lamp breaks in they're gone. At about 50 hours I couldn't see any if I tried. At 200 hours there's no way to see any. I wouldn't worry about first reports.

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i want to know which one is better for both 2d and 3d movies.

Optmus or Epson projector.

Optoma HD33 VS Epson 3010 ! That was the question for me too.I have been waiting every single day projectorreviews and projectorcentral to review the Epson... Finally it has been done.The big revolution with the new Epson HTPS panel at 480 hz and at the end it is worse than every other 1080p 3D projector..../flickering and noticeable crosstalk/ I'm using DLP since my last dissapointment by Epson 705HD...Optoma for sure is better choice for me.
Here is the difference in picture quality between the TWO
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In the 1st comparison, the epson looks better. Her face on the right has a weird white glaze and is not as natural as the epson. And if you notice the background the epson has deeper black.
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In the 1st comparison, the epson looks better. Her face on the right has a weird white glaze and is not as natural as the epson. And if you notice the background the epson has deeper black.


What about the second and third one ?
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Here's PC review of the 3010. Very disappointing with respect to 3D!

http://www.projectorcentral.com/epso...age=Conclusion
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Here's PC review of the 3010. Very disappointing with respect to 3D!

http://www.projectorcentral.com/epso...age=Conclusion

Did you read Art's review of the Epson? He deemed it the better of the two units after all things considered.
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What about the second and third one ?

I noticed that the pictures were not of the same moment in the movies. A few moments can change conditions. But, what I saw was this:
First set - the Epson looked better IMO.
Second set - Too close to call.
Third set - The Optima looked better. The Epson seemed to have more motion blur.
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I agree with gmichaels...the 2 screenshots must be the exact time or it can change in an instance. That said, the 2nd set is even...can't tell the diff. The 3rd one I agree the optoma looked a tad better but you have to look real close and that bright headlight made the epson made her face looked washed out...BUT they are not mirror image so it's not a fair dual. The 1st set with with what's her name seems to be the only one that's fair....from those 3 the epson is the winner.
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Except the 3d which is most important... Optoma handle 3d much better
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Except the 3d which is most important...

Not to everyone.
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Optoma handle 3d much better

How much is 'much?'
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Not to everyone.

How much is 'much?'

I doubt than anyone would prefer 3010 instead of 8350 for 2D , that's why I think is important when buying 3D projector to bet on stable 3D. 3010 suffers from underwhelming 3D performance compared to its competition/Optoma HD33/
Projectorcentral said : 3D picture shows more flickering instability, especially in areas of solid color. Motion is less smooth. Finally, compared to other recently released 3D projectors, the 3010 shows a lot of crosstalk, to the point where it became obvious even when we were not actively searching it out.
Well this is embarrassing ... All the noise at CEDIA 2011 about the new revolution HTPS panel by Epson which dramatically decrease the blackout period for smooth 3D less crosstalk etc ....
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I doubt than anyone would prefer 3010 instead of 8350 for 2D , that's why I think is important when buying 3D projector to bet on stable 3D. 3010 suffers from underwhelming 3D performance compared to its competition/Optoma HD33/
Projectorcentral said : 3D picture shows more flickering instability, especially in areas of solid color. Motion is less smooth. Finally, compared to other recently released 3D projectors, the 3010 shows a lot of crosstalk, to the point where it became obvious even when we were not actively searching it out.
Well this is embarrassing ... All the noise at CEDIA 2011 about the new revolution HTPS panel by Epson which dramatically decrease the blackout period for smooth 3D less crosstalk etc ....

I would expect that there are some people out there who have different priorities than you or I. Personally, I'd like to have a great 2D projector that also does 3D well.
Here is a quote from the other review available, "Bottom line on 3D: This projector is not only a fine 2D projector, but it's a great little 3D projector."

I'll still wait to see what the 5010 has to offer.
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Can anyone confirm this from the current owners of 3010? I wonder what the opinion they have it. I do not believe it would be so bad. When you take into account that it is this technology from Epson to solve crosstalk and etc ...
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