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post #1 of 47 Old 09-30-2011, 11:15 AM - Thread Starter
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Hi folks,

So I've finally purchased a home that has everything I want, and plan on staying there for a while (vs my previous home). And I'm planning an awesome Home theater setup (although probably poor in comparison to some of your mighty setups ).

Now, I'm fairly new when it comes to Projectors, but certainly NOT technology as a whole (A/V, PC, Hardware etc) and I'm a software tester for a living. I've narrowed it down to 3 projectors, because I'm looking for AT LEAST 100" from 10ft away.

The only 3 affordable (less than 1200$) I've found are

- 650$ - Optoma GT720 (only 720p BUT HUGE Throw ratio - 200" @ 12ft)
- 800$ - Viewsonic Pro8200 (100" @ 10ft, but motion quality seems poor)
- 1200$ - Epson Powerlite 8350 (100" @ 10ft awesome projector according to reviews)

Now for half the price I can get twice the screen size (size is important to me) and it can be way ahead, so things like Playstation Move won't be a problem.

Now, I THINK I can live with 100" and resolution is a HUGE factor for me, BUT (back to the topic title) How visible is higher resolution for projectors?

From the images I've seen, (haven't been successful in finding many 1:1 comparisons for 720p vs 1080p projector images) but it seems projectors have a certain softness to them, that would negate the benefits of slightly higher resolution. If I can justify going with the 600$ HUGE screen Optoma, I would love it, but if 1080p Resolution is REALLY visibile, then I NEED it.

I would love your feedback, and links (or pics) showing a 1:1 comparison of 720p vs 1080p for PROJECTORS.

P.S. I know the whole distance charts things, and they don't apply to me, I have awesome vision, and a very sharp eye for detail. I notice 1080p vs 720p on TVs in a second (even more noticeable for gaming).
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Do you want 3D ? You may want to consider Optoma 750E. Short throw, 720P.

BTW, polls aren't that useful. You don't to pick the winner of a popularity contest - but something that works for you.

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I just added the poll to get people's feedback on experiences with the projectors. Reviews are basically just "popularity" contests, as everything is pretty subjective when it comes to A/V quality.

3D isn't all that important to me, and the GT750 isn't out in Canada yet.
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Is < 12' throw a requirement?
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Is < 12' throw a requirement?

Yes sir.

Less than 12' with a minimum of 100" screen size.

Obviously the bigger the screen size the better with as little throw distance as possible. But basically I have a beam running accross the ceiling at 12', and I don't want to place the projector anywhere behind that (for Playstation Move/Wii reasons).
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Do you see rainbows with dlp?
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Do you see rainbows with dlp?

Unfortunately I can't honestly answer this, since I have very little to no experience with projectors.

I've done a lot of research and know about how DLP uses Color Wheels which can cause some rainbow effects, and since I have a good eye for visual detail, I probably would notice it, but I'm not sure if it would be a deal breaker for me.

I think I'd rather suffer a bit of "rainbowing" than to have poor motion resolution/handling.
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If your looking for a really nice projector under 1200 I would look at the mitsubishi hc4000. Really nice 1080p projector for under 1200.

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If your looking for a really nice projector under 1200 I would look at the mitsubishi hc4000. Really nice 1080p projector for under 1200.

Yeah it's between 1300 - 1500$ in CAnada, but I've heard awesome things about this one too. How does it compare to the Epson?
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Start by reading this guide if you haven't yet:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1339241

Yes, I would say the HC4000 blows the 8350 out of the water. Unless you'll have placement issues then that's the leg up for the 8350. Since LCDs tend to come with lens shift, it is a plus (if not a must) if you need it. The HC4000 will definitely project a more stunning image in my opinion. It will also be a mcuh sharper projector which you will enjoy the benefits when it comes to gaming. It sounds like you're very picky when it comes to imaging capabilities so I would recommend you to go with HC4000 or at least find a chance to see it in action and then see the difference.

Another projector you can look into in Canada which will be slightly cheaper than the HC4000 is the BenQ W1100. The BenQ is a brighter alternative to the HC4000. It is sharper to details and content compared to the HC4000 (although the HC4000 is sharp on its own) and has a very nice POP effect as well. The colors are superb and black levels are great (although HC4000 has the upper hand when it comes to colors and black levels). If you plan to ever change your setup and want a larger display (you'll need a longer throw distance though), the plus of the W1100 will be its brightness and therefore capable of stretching and throwing a further distance. Overall, the BenQ is a more portable projector if you ever plan to take it to friends place or bring it on the road to set it up and use as its bright enough for most scenarios, capable of large screen, longer throw displays and has onboard speakers.

I think the main difference is that LCDs and DLPs project 2 different types of images. Each technology has it's strength and weakness, but one thing is certain, most people who switch from LCDs to DLPs never go back to LCD. That is also factoring in that you won't be sensitive to RBE which is also a slim possibility since only 5% of the population are sensitive to RBE and the sensitivity varies from person to person. Another issue most people forget is that LCDs are prone to dust and will probably need maintainence cost or changing dust filters now and then which adds to annoyance factor and cost. Also 8350 in specifics, has a notorious tendency to have bulb failures. For majority 4x color wheel is fast enough for people in general to not have an RBE problem with a projector, and both the HC4000 & W1100 have 4x color wheels.

Regardless, you should review Coderguy's Projector Guide (the link I provided on top) because I think it's the most comprehensive review and guidelines you can find to compare all popular projectors. He won't shy from labeling the weakness of each either.

Hope that helps!

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Yes, it helps immensely, thanks for the descriptive reply.

You know what's funny, the W1000+ and W1100 were the FIRST projectors I was looking at initially, but ended up knocking them out because I wanted a CINEMA experience and wanted MINIMUM 120-150" from 10-11' away.

I realized after that the Epson was the closest to that, but NOTHING can do it, except the GT720. But then I give up 1080p, but it's cheap as hell.
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Yes, it helps immensely, thanks for the descriptive reply.

You know what's funny, the W1000+ and W1100 were the FIRST projectors I was looking at initially, but ended up knocking them out because I wanted a CINEMA experience and wanted MINIMUM 120-150" from 10-11' away.

I realized after that the Epson was the closest to that, but NOTHING can do it, except the GT720. But then I give up 1080p, but it's cheap as hell.

Haha, I believe you can achieve 100" at 10.2' on both W1100 and HC4000 with the 1.5x zoom it comes with.

Since resolution is such a 'HUGE' factor for you, I would honestly not go down 720p road. You'll set yourself up for disaster and regret. That's what happened to a buddy of mine. He ended up miserable and constantly complained to me how much he wish he went with 1080p. 6 months later he went out and got a 1080p LOL.

Think about it carefully. OR if you have time, just purchase 720p from a retailer that has no-question asked return policy and test it out. Just be sure to glue your eyes to the picture while you have those few days to intensively test it. You don't want to make a premature decision to keep it based on one or two views then find out later you can't stand it!

Is there a reason why you stuck to 10' throw? Is there any possibility to have a bigger setup? I mean you can always try out the Epson 8350 as well. Heck you might love it and fall in love with it. Most people new to projectors enjoy the 8350 very much! It's great for a first 1080p projector. It's worth trying out if you got the time to spare

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Hey,

Yeah, I'm stuck at 10' for 2 reasons...

1 I have a beam running down the center of the house (11') so the projector will be at about 9 or 10 feet distance.

And I don't want it any further back, for 2 reasons -

a) because of the beam it would have to be set low, and
b) I want to be able to use PS Move in the room

The 1080p content I have is VERY limited (a handful of blu ray movies), which is the only reason why I'm even considering 720p.

Best buy has the GT720 for 520$ in store right now on clearance.
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Best buy has the GT720 for 520$ in store right now on clearance.

That's a pretty good price, is it new or returned?
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For me with 720p it actually looks quite good as well, problem is you usually need to sit back a bit further for that effect. I believe 10'-12' is what most people would recommend?

Don't make an impulse buy, think about it, because if I remember correctly BestBuy charge restocking fees if you want to return or exchange it down the road!

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That's a pretty good price, is it new or returned?

Brand spanking new.

PRobably clearing up inventory for the GT750.
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720 can look really quite good. I have a 135" screen at 14' viewing distance and lay people think my image looks amazing. 1080 would be better in my situation, but it is mostly for the screen door more than the resolution.

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Keep in mind that the 8350 is very quiet in comparison to other projectors mentioned in this thread.
If you are mounting above/near your viewing area, the quiet fan is a plus.

For the screen size and viewing distance you are allocating, the slight sharpness a DLP projector may have over LCD will be neglectable.

Also, try not to skim on a good fixed screen.

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I think the main difference is that LCDs and DLPs project 2 different types of images. Each technology has it's strength and weakness, but one thing is certain, most people who switch from LCDs to DLPs never go back to LCD. That is also factoring in that you won't be sensitive to RBE which is also a slim possibility since only 5% of the population are sensitive to RBE and the sensitivity varies from person to person. Another issue most people forget is that LCDs are prone to dust and will probably need maintainence cost or changing dust filters now and then which adds to annoyance factor and cost. Also 8350 in specifics, has a notorious tendency to have bulb failures.

Hope that helps!

If you have really kept track of 8350 bulb failures, there have been 4 I can count of out of thousands of owners and Epson replaced the bulb or projector free of charge.

Dust issues with LCD?
I guess if you have a dust storm in your room maybe but I've cleaned my 2 LCD projectors filters once a year and they are virtually dust free.
I've never encountered dust blobs.

Also, DLP projectors are notoriously known for light leakage and loud fan noise.

Pick your poison.
No need to fear monger.

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Brand spanking new.

PRobably clearing up inventory for the GT750.

For $520, I would definitely impulse buy that in a second (if i had the $$$ ).

The review looks good and the videos on youtube look awesome. I would take the extra money I saved and buy a OPPO BDP-93, rip all my blu-rays to it and never have to get up to change a disk again.
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For $520, I would definitely impulse buy that in a second (if i had the $$$ ).

The review looks good and the videos on youtube look awesome. I would take the extra money I saved and buy a OPPO BDP-93, rip all my blu-rays to it and never have to get up to change a disk again.

And that's exactly what I did.

I purchased the GT720 the other day. I figured, there is NO other projector that can throw a screen that size from my limited space, and I really want to create a IMMERSIVE Theater experience, 100" didn't seem big enoughfor me (I use a 40" LCD TV as my PC Monitor for crying out loud).

And for 520$... I mean, I could almost afford to keep this one mounted at 7 feet and enjoy 150" and then buy a 1080p projector in 2 years, hoping they have a 1080p Ultra short throw by then.

For that price I couldn't go wrong, and when I really think about it... 95% of the content I watch is 720p max. Mostly DVD, and Rips and PS3 games. All my PC gaming will be done on a different screen (different room). So it didn't make sense to spend an extra 600-1000$ on something that I would never use, except to SHOW OFF (the 1080p aspect of it).

Now, I just need to decide if I get an extended warranty.

I won't be using it until mid April, so half the 1 year warranty will already have finished. An extra year INCLUDING Bulb replacement (at Best Buy) is 80$... seems like it could be worth it.
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you dont want 200" of 720P at 12 ft, just saying. maybe you'll like it though because financially the price was right. either way, not sure why you didn't spring for the GT750 it may have been cheaper by April.

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you dont want 200" of 720P at 12 ft, just saying. maybe you'll like it though because financially the price was right. either way, not sure why you didn't spring for the GT750 it may have been cheaper by April.

"if you buy it, use it"

The GT750 isn't available here yet. And prices are about 300$ more MINIMUM than the gt720.

Yet again, how much 3D content do I have? Not much, although the PS3 is 3D capable, I'd still have to buy 3D glasses, so now the GT750 is like 500$ more than the GT720. All thoses costs add up, essentially the GT750 is the same as the GT720, but with 3D.

Next year, I can probably sell my GT720 for the same price I paid for it (people would jump on it for 500$), and I'm hoping there will be a GT1080 some time next year. I want an Ultra Short Throw 1080p projector, and those are non existent at the moment.
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Yes, I would say the HC4000 blows the 8350 out of the water. The HC4000 will definitely project a more stunning image in my opinion. It will also be a mcuh sharper projector which you will enjoy the benefits when it comes to gaming. It sounds like you're very picky when it comes to imaging capabilities so I would recommend you to go with HC4000 or at least find a chance to see it in action and then see the difference.

I stumbled across this post and it really surprised me. I've owned a Sanyo PLV-70 (LCD) for years and have been considering a change. I think the entry level projectors can now give it a run for its money and I was all but sold on the Epson 8350. I guess I need to give the HC4000 a look if I can find it locally on display in Houston.
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What distance back from the screen do you plan to sit? If it is greater than 2 times the screen diagonal you cannot see the difference from 1080 and 720, to see the full benefit you need to be 1.5 times the screen size or closer. There is a chart at:
http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter
that documents recommendations. I sit 2x back and am happy at 720P.

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I am also still 720p in my dedicated room. The panny ax100 now with ax200 optical block is still going strong. The issue I have had is bulb life has been really long. I still have a rnew replacement bulb in the box so would theoretically have another 3-4 more years of life on this PJ.

I was going to add that content does play a role in driving the decision. I also watch many DVD's (huge collection) and a ton of 720p sports and movies via dish also stream 720p from netflix. Very rarely do I watch blu ray's as they are a pain to rent and I refuse to purchase content that I only watch one time.

I sit 14' back from a 120" diag screen and the pj is mounted 18' away. I have had an opportunity to view new 1080p projectors in friends rooms and although impressive with 1080p material I still think there is little difference when running 720p content through them. Yes, they do have better contrast and black levels but it boils down to how you use it and how critical you are.

Also, with this projector I do not feel bad about my son having friends over for gaming marathons that last for hours at a time. Not something I would be comfortable with if I replace this with a new 3-4K 1080p unit.

Best of luck with your purchase and enjoy your new theater.

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Early on the best examples were 1080p-720p shoot-out in Athens! be sure and read Post#51
i have a Sony BluRay--> Infocus LP7210 (720p) --> 106in fixed screen
sitting about 11ft away i can't see any screen-door effect
but i did read somewhere for 720p > 110in screen w/20-20 vision u will begin to see pixel borders==screen-door effect
on my 2nd Lamp--still quite happy watching BluRay & DVD movies (that's all i do) so my needs are limited
if i were buying a new PJ today it would probably be the Mitsubishi HC4000
ive had 4 different Infocus DLP PJs todate...prefer DLP for movies
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You could also look at the Benq W1200 - only slightly more than the 8350. I just got one from one of the stores on shopbot.ca
It's excellent! Plus, it has frame interpolation if you like sports.
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Hi folks,

Just thought I'd touch base for any of the folks new to projectors (like myself) who wondered about the 720pvs1080p factor.

I want to say, I purchased the Optoma GT720 for 520$ on clearance at Best buy, and it is actually AWESOME, it may not be the "best" projector on the market, but it is extremely bright, which gives it more of a TV look vs a dull/washed out projector look, especially since I'm going to be pushing it at 140" screen size.

Definitely DO NOT regret my purchase. Now, can I tell it's 720p (vs 1080p) absolutely, you can actually SEE the pixels when you get close enough, and from a distance, the edges aren't as sharp as you would expect with a 1080p image, BUT, still awesome.

Like I've mentioned in the past, (and others should consider this) HOW MUCH 1080p content do YOU have? I have a Blu Ray player (PS3) so all the PS3 games are 720p or less (upscaled) and I purchase VERY FEW 1080p Blu Ray movies (cost).

Most of my content is
a) streamed (compression hurts 1080p so not a huge deal)
b) PC movie files (again compression plays a factor and 1080p downloads are GIGANTIC)
c) PS3 games

Do I wish I had 1080p? Sure, but it would mostly to marvel at it, and show it off, but would get used 5% of the time. 95% of the time I'll probably be viewing 720p content, so I'm perfectly happy.

So for those who want to know, YES 1080p vs 720p is definitely noticeable on a projector, the projectors are sharp enough to display pixels clearly, and if you have a good eye, you will see the difference (especially gaming, and PC use). In movies, you'll simply get a sharper, more detailed image, but pixels aren't as visible.
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P.S. for my testing, I was using a 100" screen size.

I anticipate the difference will be even more pronounced when using my 140" screen. But again, mine setup is meant to be a "Home Theater" not a "Home Media Center", so immersion, and impressive screen size, are of high importance.
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