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Just sent you a PM, we can talk about this there. Thanks.
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Disappointed that there isn't much activity in this thread (and Tim's recent comments indicating that he's looking to sell his is a bit of a buzz-kill). Anyone else get one of these and plan on giving some updates?

I've got an older Panny AE-700U (720p) LCD projector that I've kind of got the itch to upgrade, and figured if I was going to upgrade, I should get all the bells and whistles (1080p and 3D). I like that this projector has some zoom and lens shift, simply for convenience sake (the saying goes, measure twice and cut once, but I'm one of those guys that measures 10 times before I cut and I still end up cutting wrong), and it would be nice if I could just slap the thing on my existing mount without having to reposition it, which might be doable with this projector. I had a DLP long ago and know about rainbows and, while I saw them on occasion with that old projector, they weren't particularly bothersome.

And just to keep this thread going...anyone care to provide some suggestions for a 3D Blu-ray player? Part of me it tempted to get a PS3, since it would open up some 3D gaming options (I already have an XBox 360, BTW), but I'm a bit worried about it generating some fan noise, and a dedicated 3D player would not only be cheaper but might (hopefully) offer faster load times, etc. From what little I researched a while back, it sounded ilke the Panasonic's might be one of the more solid and faster-loading players, while the Samsung's offered more noticeable 2D-to-3D conversion. On that note, I'd also like to hear some H9500BD owners' opinions on the built-in 2D-to-3D conversion.

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Disappointed that there isn't much activity in this thread (and Tim's recent comments indicating that he's looking to sell his is a bit of a buzz-kill). Anyone else get one of these and plan on giving some updates?

I've got an older Panny AE-700U (720p) LCD projector that I've kind of got the itch to upgrade, and figured if I was going to upgrade, I should get all the bells and whistles (1080p and 3D). I like that this projector has some zoom and lens shift, simply for convenience sake (the saying goes, measure twice and cut once, but I'm one of those guys that measures 10 times before I cut and I still end up cutting wrong), and it would be nice if I could just slap the thing on my existing mount without having to reposition it, which might be doable with this projector. I had a DLP long ago and know about rainbows and, while I saw them on occasion with that old projector, they weren't particularly bothersome.

And just to keep this thread going...anyone care to provide some suggestions for a 3D Blu-ray player? Part of me it tempted to get a PS3, since it would open up some 3D gaming options (I already have an XBox 360, BTW), but I'm a bit worried about it generating some fan noise, and a dedicated 3D player would not only be cheaper but might (hopefully) offer faster load times, etc. From what little I researched a while back, it sounded ilke the Panasonic's might be one of the more solid and faster-loading players, while the Samsung's offered more noticeable 2D-to-3D conversion. On that note, I'd also like to hear some H9500BD owners' opinions on the built-in 2D-to-3D conversion.

Hopefully others will chime in soon on the BenQ. Although it is also a sign that folks are happy with the projector as well. Many people only give feedback when there are issues, not when everything is working as expected.

As for a BD player, I have owned a PS3 and currently own a Panasonic BDP210. Which is a solid 3D projector with a nice picture. The PS3 will have slightly slower load times, but if you are into gaming, it is probably the way to go.
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Disappointed that there isn't much activity in this thread (and Tim's recent comments indicating that he's looking to sell his is a bit of a buzz-kill). Anyone else get one of these and plan on giving some updates?

I've got an older Panny AE-700U (720p) LCD projector that I've kind of got the itch to upgrade, and figured if I was going to upgrade, I should get all the bells and whistles (1080p and 3D). I like that this projector has some zoom and lens shift, simply for convenience sake (the saying goes, measure twice and cut once, but I'm one of those guys that measures 10 times before I cut and I still end up cutting wrong), and it would be nice if I could just slap the thing on my existing mount without having to reposition it, which might be doable with this projector. I had a DLP long ago and know about rainbows and, while I saw them on occasion with that old projector, they weren't particularly bothersome.

And just to keep this thread going...anyone care to provide some suggestions for a 3D Blu-ray player? Part of me it tempted to get a PS3, since it would open up some 3D gaming options (I already have an XBox 360, BTW), but I'm a bit worried about it generating some fan noise, and a dedicated 3D player would not only be cheaper but might (hopefully) offer faster load times, etc. From what little I researched a while back, it sounded ilke the Panasonic's might be one of the more solid and faster-loading players, while the Samsung's offered more noticeable 2D-to-3D conversion. On that note, I'd also like to hear some H9500BD owners' opinions on the built-in 2D-to-3D conversion.

Just recieved mine yesterday but have not had time to hook it up yet. Just put a first coat of paint on my DIY screen. Hoping to project some tomorrow though. Not sure my testing will be of much help to you though. The room I am setting up is not very large so not sure how big the screen will get, but will try and post some opinion's as soon as I think they are semi educated .
I have played 3d movies on the PS3 a Panasonic player BD100 I believe and my HTPC with a 3d card. The HTPC can do 2D to 3D which adds depth but that is it. I preffer just watching 2d in 2d, but 3D blurays looks great on my 50" VT20 plasma though with all 3 players. I do not believe the PS3 can do 3d and HD DTS or HD Dolby but does regular DTS and Dolby 5.1 if that matters.
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Yeah, I am looking for more input on this unit too. I see Amazon will have it soon. I am also considering the BenQ 7K but that is a fair bit more $$$. So you guys that have this unit post up when you get a chance. I am also curious how Ultimate 3d heaven DLP link glasses work with this unit. I believe the HD33/3300 units use a red synch signal and that balances well with the 3d heaven units from what I hear and see on my DLP TV which has a red synch.

I am convinced that I will not go 3LCD and will no longer post over there. For some reason those people cannot see what I see side by side and even in Art's pictures. Yes he says pics do not do it justice, but it looks like his pictures show the same thing I see side by side. Here is yet another example of the "soft" image, here you go:

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Yes, I agree pictures do not do the actual display justice but after running out and buying a few BDs to compare what I saw in Art's pictures in his reviews, I conclude that he does take very good pictures. The same differences I saw in his pictures is what I see here. Look at the two and decide which you like. If I have to point out the detail areas in the pictures you can just get whatever PJ you want and be fine. It simply jumps out at me. I am not talking flesh tones or color accuracy, I am simply talking image clarity and detail. From there I may or may not need to do some calibration work.

Edit: It would appear I am on image time out here as I cannot post the images but you can use the properties and look at them.
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got mine yesterday.the blacks are great compared to my mits 1000u 720p and sanyo plv-z700.the sharpness is also superior.only one video setting for 3d but colors look great.brightness in 3d is ok not great.it does have gama color controls but i have not calibrated it yet.did not notice rainbows then again i am not rainbow sensitive.more info tomorrow.
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Thanks raul. By brightness is OK but not great, do you mean compared to normal 2d watching or do you mean it is not good at all? Even on my TV it is best to turn down the lights and get some good light control so I am OK with that. I have no intentions of watching 3d in Living Room Mode. I hope you enjoy the unit and appreciate the input here.
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got mine yesterday.the blacks are great compared to my mits 1000u 720p and sanyo plv-z700.the sharpness is also superior.only one video setting for 3d but colors look great.brightness in 3d is ok not great.it does have gama color controls but i have not calibrated it yet.did not notice rainbows then again i am not rainbow sensitive.more info tomorrow.

What size screen do you have, and what is the gain? Thanks!
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..and also please provide details about your room setup (e.g., full light control? darkly painted walls?).

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So I am still trying to get everything situated in my theater, I set up my screen, but may decide to move it around. For a mount I ordered the following http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...00_i00_details

VideoSecu Universal LCD/DLP Projector Vaulted Ceiling Mount Bracket Black with 25.6" extension pole PJ2B 1C9

My screen is a Visual Apex 120" 1.1 gain. Room dimensions 12w x 8h x 16deep. If I am using and understanding the calculator correctly, I have 3 inches offset; does that mean that the projector can only be 3" above the screen, and will I have any use for the pole that accompanies my mount? Is there any recommended method for running hdmi and power cables down the wall, and what about surge protectors or power extension cords? What is the closest the lens should be to the screen it says 13', 12.5 won't fill the screen.

Does anyone have any special calibration settings? I have been using dark cinema. I noticed that the background on my PS3 on the right side of the screen shows a red tint on black. Is this a hardware thing, bulb, or calibration?

I somehow accidently got a thumbprint on the lens, which I cleaned with microfiber and isopropyl alcohol in a circular motion; is there a better safer, preferred method for cleaning the lens?

Some of the pros of this unit: 1080p + 3D + 1 pair of glasses. The dynamic iris, the ability to do RGB full, 24p processing. Price.

Cons: Runs loud, very sluggish hdmi and picture mode switching. Seems less than flexible in placement. Very poor directions. Few owners, and reviews to really optimize the abilities of the projector.

I watched a couple of minutes of Underworld, 300, Game of Thrones and have played God of War Origins Ghost of Sparta in 3D. The picture looks fantastic, black levels seem pretty good and given the sheer size, a compromise I'm willing to make. If the picture seems blurry you need to make sure the distance is correct and twist the lens to zoom.
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Played with mine for a few hours today. I purchased it for a different place then where I am using it now. I am projecting onto a DIY screen with Sherwin Williams pro classic #B20 W 51 paint. The size of the picture I am able to project at the moment is 80" due to room size constraints. I am also projecting off a end table right in front of seating.
The little I have played with it, I am loving it. Can not compare to HD33 or the 3010 since never viewed one but I am very happy with both 2D and the 3D. On the 3D, I am projecting in a room that is not 100% light controlled and the 3D is plenty bright, fact had to turn brightness down and running on eco mode. I can say this also the 3D on this projector completely kills my VT20 Plasma. Playing Assasins Creed in 3D is far and away a better experience. Avatar played through my PS3 was very emersive. Lets just say the WOW factor for me was going on big time.
The few hours I played with the projector I had the dynamic black on med and never noticed pulseing or other issue's. I am very pleased with the black's, not as black as my VT20 plasma but far and away better then my old HD1000 mitsubishi.
So far I am very impressed with this projector and have a good bit more playing to do.
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Played with mine for a few hours today. I purchased it for a different place then where I am using it now. I am projecting onto a DIY screen with Sherwin Williams pro classic #B20 W 51 paint. The size of the picture I am able to project at the moment is 80" due to room size constraints. I am also projecting off a end table right in front of seating.
The little I have played with it, I am loving it. Can not compare to HD33 or the 3010 since never viewed one but I am very happy with both 2D and the 3D. On the 3D, I am projecting in a room that is not 100% light controlled and the 3D is plenty bright, fact had to turn brightness down and running on eco mode. I can say this also the 3D on this projector completely kills my VT20 Plasma. Playing Assasins Creed in 3D is far and away a better experience. Avatar played through my PS3 was very emersive. Lets just say the WOW factor for me was going on big time.
The few hours I played with the projector I had the dynamic black on med and never noticed pulseing or other issue's. I am very pleased with the black's, not as black as my VT20 plasma but far and away better then my old HD1000 mitsubishi.
So far I am very impressed with this projector and have a good bit more playing to do.

Interested to hear more on this projector, sounds like DLP is the way to go if you want 3D. The pictures at Projector Reviews look great to me, blacks look outstanding, comparable to the Sony HW30 in the photos, none of the others are even close. Seems like this one is pretty big bang for the buck unless I am missing something....
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Interested to hear more on this projector, sounds like DLP is the way to go if you want 3D. The pictures at Projector Reviews look great to me, blacks look outstanding, comparable to the Sony HW30 in the photos, none of the others are even close. Seems like this one is pretty big bang for the buck unless I am missing something....

It is really seems to put out a great picture for the money and it has lots of features that the other lower priced 1080p projectors don't have.

The only concerns seem to be the lack of a dynamic brightness setting for 3D, and color accuracy, although color accuracy seems to be good out of the box.
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Well Newegg dropped their price another $100 on this projector and I jumped on it. I was holding out for the BenQ W7000 but after talking budget with my wife I wanted to keep my purchase under $2K. Our basement finish has cost a little more than planned, so I decided to put some money back in my pocket.

I also realized that I had been measuring the main seating location wrong and we are moving the sectional 1 to 1.5 ft closer to the screen. This allowed me to go with a 120" screen vs 125-130". So this may help with lumens in 3D.

The big negative with Newegg is there is no return policy on projectors. Just a replacement policy. So I better like it

Should get it early next week and will hopefully have time to set it up in a temporary location.
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Well Newegg dropped their price another $100 on this projector and I jumped on it. I was holding out for the BenQ W7000 but after talking budget with my wife I wanted to keep my purchase under $2K. Our basement finish has cost a little more than planned, so I decided to put some money back in my pocket.

I also realized that I had been measuring the main seating location wrong and we are moving the sectional 1 to 1.5 ft closer to the screen. This allowed me to go with a 120" screen vs 125-130". So this may help with lumens in 3D.

The big negative with Newegg is there is no return policy on projectors. Just a replacement policy. So I better like it

Should get it early next week and will hopefully have time to set it up in a temporary location.

Wow that's $200 less than original price and a full $1K less than the Benq W7000. It doesn't do the 3D anamorphic stretch that I need I don't think, but for that price I can get the Oppo BDP 93 which does the stretch and the Acer 9500 both for $2K. That would be pretty killer set up for $2K...Hmmm...

I wonder if the Benq W7000 gets me a $1K better picture, I would imagine it would be a tad sharper and contrast about the same, they are both Darkchip 2 I think?
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Well Newegg dropped their price another $100 on this projector and I jumped on it. I was holding out for the BenQ W7000 but after talking budget with my wife I wanted to keep my purchase under $2K. Our basement finish has cost a little more than planned, so I decided to put some money back in my pocket.

I also realized that I had been measuring the main seating location wrong and we are moving the sectional 1 to 1.5 ft closer to the screen. This allowed me to go with a 120" screen vs 125-130". So this may help with lumens in 3D.

The big negative with Newegg is there is no return policy on projectors. Just a replacement policy. So I better like it

Should get it early next week and will hopefully have time to set it up in a temporary location.

farewell my fellow 3010-passenger ! Its been great to share info with you.

Wish you the best with 9500, please do post an elaborate comparsion
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Wow that's $200 less than original price and a full $1K less than the Benq W7000. It doesn't do the 3D anamorphic stretch that I need I don't think, but for that price I can get the Oppo BDP 93 which does the stretch and the Acer 9500 both for $2K. That would be pretty killer set up for $2K...Hmmm...

I wonder if the Benq W7000 gets me a $1K better picture, I would imagine it would be a tad sharper and contrast about the same, they are both Darkchip 2 I think?

The BenQ will most likely you get you more lumens in 3D, and more tweaking for color accuracy. Not sure how much sharper it will be or how much better black levels will be. From Art's review of the 9500, I would think sharpness and black level will be fairly close. BenQ will also have better lens shift and better optics. But like you said, is it worth an extra $1K? I have a hard time justifying paying that much more, but the BenQ may get rave reviews.

We know the Acer also has the emitter built in and comes with one pair of glasses. The BenQ may not come with a built in emitter or glasses which will mean the Acer will be close to $1100 to $1200 cheaper.
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farewell my fellow 3010-passenger ! Its been great to share info with you.

Wish you the best with 9500, please do post an elaborate comparsion

Absolutely. I will be honest. The 3010 is a great projector for the price. For me, I wanted something with slightly better black levels and I watch a ton of sports, so this projector made a little more sense on paper. We shall see...

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The big negative with Newegg is there is no return policy on projectors. Just a replacement policy. So I better like it

Should get it early next week and will hopefully have time to set it up in a temporary location.

Yes, I saw that price when I got home tonight. That return policy and the fact that I pay tax with Egg is a deal killer for me. So I am waiting for Big River to get it in stock and see where their price lands during the holidays. If I am not mistaken this unit can be returned there through January 31st. I too would like the BenQ but that is a lot more coin in comparison. And I feel the 9500 can probably meet my needs as opposed to my wants. I hope you like it and look forward to your observations. Which glasses are you going with in addition to the Acer ones?
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I'd be interested in a comparison between the Acer 5630 and the 9500 for 3D purposes only. Its a little disappointing that the 5360 seems to be brighter.
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did some testing.i got 147 '' screen at 16' away at max telephoto.
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Yes, I saw that price when I got home tonight. That return policy and the fact that I pay tax with Egg is a deal killer for me. So I am waiting for Big River to get it in stock and see where their price lands during the holidays. If I am not mistaken this unit can be returned there through January 31st. I too would like the BenQ but that is a lot more coin in comparison. And I feel the 9500 can probably meet my needs as opposed to my wants. I hope you like it and look forward to your observations. Which glasses are you going with in addition to the Acer ones?

For the kids I am going with the 3D Heaven Ultra Clear glasses. Very positive reviews and good for kids. Also only about $49 per pair. For me, I am going to pickup a set of the TrueDepth glasses. If the 3D Heaven glasses work well, I will order a few more pairs for guests.

I will definitely share my thoughts with since I had a 3010 and you have an 8530 which are similar for 2D.
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For the kids I am going with the 3D Heaven Ultra Clear glasses. Very positive reviews and good for kids. Also only about $49 per pair. For me, I am going to pickup a set of the TrueDepth glasses. If the 3D Heaven glasses work well, I will order a few more pairs for guests.

I will definitely share my thoughts with since I had a 3010 and you have an 8530 which are similar for 2D.

Sounds good. I have 3D Heaven DLP glasses too. They are killer on my DLP TV with 3D. My only concern is if there is a tint issue since the HD33/3300 has a red tint in 3D just like my TV. Can anyone verify if the 9500 blacks look red in 3D mode? IOWs is it a red or white DLP link flash? Thanks.
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Wish I was more help on the dlp flash signal. Black screen in 3D looks more greenish grey. Picture is very washed out without glasses on. I have two pair of true depth rechargeable coming in the mail so will review when able. Have to pack all this stuff up soon hopefully they come in time before I pack it all up for McMurdo.
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Hello mopar, you probably answered my question. Without glasses when in 3D mode if it uses a red flash the overall picture will appear redish if that makes sense. I do not mean blacks look red even though they do, I mean the whole image. Thanks.
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Hello mopar, you probably answered my question. Without glasses when in 3D mode if it uses a red flash the overall picture will appear redish if that makes sense. I do not mean blacks look red even though they do, I mean the whole image. Thanks.

Yeah, do not know for sure but guessing is a white flash. Nothing looks like a red tint so pretty certain it is not red. While watching the movie in 3d glasses off it looks bright-faded lack of color. And a all black screen in 3d mode no glasses is grey with a slight green tint to it. The Acer glasses do a great job with the colors.

Most of my time on this projector is playing Assasins Creed in 3D, no eye fatigue and loving it. I do not have guitar hero to do the input lag testing. Far as my sense goes it is pretty low, I haven't noticed it while playing AC but not exactly a game where it would be showing up if is minute.
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Thanks man4mopar. I don't know if it makes a difference with my glasses. Guess we will find out soon when Ack gets his stuff. Would you be willing to check what is available in the service menu? I asked about this here previously but nobody has responded yet. Thanks. BTW I used to be a huge Mopar fan. Had a 70 Challenger R/T 440 SixPak. Man I wish I had kept that car but I had to sell it in 86. That thing would bring a fortune today.
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A few issues still need to be addressed, not that any of them are deal-breakers or not, but just saying...

1) Color Wheel Speed - Art's Commented on This
http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog...comment-213726

2) Sharpness
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If you are still here and already sent your projector back, did the new one come in any sharper, or is the issue across all the 9500bd's?

3) Service Menu Calibration?
Are there any gray-scale or color adjustments available in the service menu?

4) Color Accuracy
If someone can establish some baseline on the color accuracy, either with a meter or something that would be good. If anyone wishes to buy a cheap meter, the Eye-One Pro LT is a good start and can greatly help with gamma and gray-scale calibrations, even if it isn't as good as say a $500 meter. The calibration guide for dummies is there to help people learn, I highly suggest having a meter, even without the gray-scale controls, there may in fact be a wide range of calibration controls in the service menu, but even if there are not the meter could still help.


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A few issues still need to be addressed, not that any of them are deal-breakers or not, but just saying...

1) Color Wheel Speed - Art's Commented on This
http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog...comment-213726

Well I never saw this but that is good info coderguy. Thanks for putting that up. If Art says it is a pretty good pic then it is and most folks are not going to try and calibrate anyways. His pictures certainly prove that out as it looks to make a very sharp picture with good black levels and shadow detail.
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I just picked up this unit a week ago. Still working on by basement/media area so i wont be able to provide inputfor atleast 2 or 3 more weeks. For the price i couldnt resist...
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