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Looking for a upgrade from my HD1000. Looking at the Optoma hd33 or the Epson 8350. I have a 92" diy screen. Or should I stick with the Mitsubishi?
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I'm debating this as well, I've got a lot of time on my HD1000U and it's still a phenomenal projector, but the color wheel is getting louder bit by bit and the bulb has a good 4200 hours on it.

I'm debating between the Optoma HD33, Epson 3010, and the Mitsu HC4000, I'd love to have 3D but I actually trust Mitsubishi at this point despite the fiasco they had with their last budget 1080p model.
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As a Happy owner of an HC3000 with no plans to upgrade I would, if forced, go with the HC4000 no les shift/benq 6000 for the lens sift, or something older and used.. like a Marantz 15s1 Regardless of which unit I would expect to calibrate myself with the proper tools.
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I am an HD1000 owner that has recently purchased the Epson 3010. There was a noticeable improvement as soon as I turned it on. I think part of it was just the resolution difference. I sit about 10 feet from a 110" screen and I there was a big improvement. Blacks are a little better. Not night and day, but noticeable. I have yet to do any type of calibration on the 3010 so I cant comment to much on its ability. Skin tones have a red tint to them. By comparison I think the Mits has more natural skin tones, but maybe with some tweaking that can be resolved.

I have only played with the 3010 for a few hours and I am by no means an expert. These are just my initial observations so far. One of the main reasons why I am looking for an upgrade is due to noise. My 1000 is super noisy. I dont know if its the fan or the color wheel, but its loud. The Espon by comparison is super quiet except for the slight iris noise from time to time.
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I just retired my trusty HD1000 last week. My replacement was a Mits HC4000. It was essentially a "drop in" replacement - the only thing I had to change was drilling a few new holes in my Monkeymount. Took about 10 minutes.

The differences were dramatic (as you'd expect). Brighter, better color saturation and of course, a much sharper image. I've only gotten a few hours on it so far, and have not really spent too much adjusting the settings other than to put it on "cinema" mode and enable 24p on my Bluray player, but can say that it appears to be capable of a much improved image over the 1000u. I still love my 1000's picture quality and was kind of amazed at how well it compares to what would appear to be a much better unit on paper, but the color wheel whine had finally gotten the best of me, as well as what appears to be a discoloration on the bottom edge, likely caused by a separated polarizer.

LCD was out of the question for me - once I experienced that DLP 'pop', I've yet to see any LCD that offers anything close. I also couldn't justify the price difference for a 3D model. I have a 3D plasma at present and have used the feature twice since I bought it.

(As a side note: one main reason that I stuck with Mitsubishi was my history with the lamps. At the time I bought my HD1000, I got an extra lamp with it. I have been switching between the two lamps over the years and neither has ever failed. They both have over 10000 hrs on them and the one I was using at present was likely over 15000 hrs. It was dim, but still VERY watchable. My projector had been my primary display until a few months ago.)
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OP, you have to ask yourself if you want 3D or not. If you want 3D, you have a couple of options in the $1500 range. If you don't, well, then you can save some money and get a nice projector like the 4000 mentioned above, or a BenQ W6000, or an Epson 8530.
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Yeah, the W6000 would be a great deal at the moment. Unless you're extremely sensitive to RBE, it should be a no brainer. It's a mid-level projector at the price of almost an entry level. You're going to get far superior picture quality and contrast levels in comparison to the HC4000. You're comparing 50,000:1 contrast ratio with the Mits, it's in a whole different range. I know the HC4000 has superior black levels to the W1100 and W1200, but I'm pretty sure that the black levels should be on par with the W6000 if not giving the leg up to the W6000. The only reason why I think the W6000 could possibly lose in black levels to the 4000 is due to its sheer monstrous brightness. It's probably still one of the brightest projectors in all under 3K range HT projector.

The main thing you'd have to factor into the decision as both the Mits and the BenQ are in the same price range. The BenQ has a superior sharpness, contrast, brightness, and Lens Shift! However if the brightness is sufficient and you dont' need lens shift, the 2 year warranty may be more appealing on the Mits

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(As a side note: one main reason that I stuck with Mitsubishi was my history with the lamps. At the time I bought my HD1000, I got an extra lamp with it. I have been switching between the two lamps over the years and neither has ever failed. They both have over 10000 hrs on them and the one I was using at present was likely over 15000 hrs. It was dim, but still VERY watchable. My projector had been my primary display until a few months ago.)

That is the reason I haven't switched projectors yet. I love my HD1000's picture and blu-ray looks fantastic on it. I have a spare bulb, but my picture is still amazing and the current bulb has well over 10,000 hours on it.

If I do upgrade (my color wheel is annoying as hell too), can I expect say the HC3000 to have a bulb life of anywhere close to that?

Don't mean to hijack, OP..
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I too have a trusty ole' Mitsubishi HD1000U with 7,000 hours on the bulb and I want to jump on the 3d bandwagon. Trying to decide between Optoma HD3300 or Epson 3010...
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I too have a trusty ole' Mitsubishi HD1000U with 7,000 hours on the bulb and I want to jump on the 3d bandwagon. Trying to decide between Optoma HD3300 or Epson 3010...

7K hours? Wow. I suspect the HD3300 or the 3010 will feel like a light cannon next to your current PJ with that many hours. The expected lamp life on that bad boy was like 3K hours on eco mode
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Another satisfied owner of a HD1000 here and I've been visiting this forum at least once a month to try and get an idea of what my replacement would be. Mine is well over 3K hours now and it just started showing the discoloration on the bottom left edge of the screen also.

Price would be a major factor for me, the $1K range would be nice, 1080 is welcome also.
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Another satisfied owner of a HD1000 here and I've been visiting this forum at least once a month to try and get an idea of what my replacement would be. Mine is well over 3K hours now and it just started showing the discoloration on the bottom left edge of the screen also.

Price would be a major factor for me, the $1K range would be nice, 1080 is welcome also.

Epson 8530 would be a good choice around $1K. Mitsubishi 4000 is a very nice projector but will be closer to $1200. Optoma HD 20 will not have as good a picture as the Mitsubishi but will come in under $1K. If you want 3D be prepared to spend $1500 or so.
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The Benq w6000's IRIS can be adjusted manually down to produce almost the same brightness as a Mits hc4000. Both projectors can get under 500 lumens, so the Benq w6000 isn't really an issue even for smaller screens either (although you will lose the DI ability while the IRIS is closed).

The Mits hc4000 produces a better image than the Optoma hd33 or Epson 8350, but of course it has no 3D. You will sacrifice some 2D quality going to the Optoma hd33, but according to some that have owned both, it's not the end of the world and it's still nice to have 3D I suppose.

The IRIS on the Benq is somewhat aggressive in order to achieve those darker blacks, so it is not a pure even trade. The hc4000 actually has a higher native contrast ratio than the Benq w6000, but the Benq's IRIS just closes down so far that it gives it the dark blacks. For people that do not like IRIS movement, the Benq may not actually be the best projector. There are advantages / disadvantages when comparing the Benq w6000 to the Mits hc4000. The Mits hc4000 has a cleaner more noise-free image, but the Benq has the IRIS and is brighter, and a bit sharper (which doesn't matter much at these levels). The Mits hc4000 is the only Dark Chip 3 projector I know of that is under $2000, even the Benq w6000 is only Dark Chip 2.

The Benq w6000 doesn't blow away the picture of the Mits for how most would consider it, so if you want to blow the picture of the Mits away, look to an Infocus sp8602, which has an IRIS and better native contrast. There is also the Optoma hd8300, older hd8600, newer Mits hc7800, and they will all also easily cream the Mits hc4000 in PQ.

One of the reasons the Benq w6000 has fallen in price so much is because it is just not as far ahead of some of these newer projectors as it used to be against older projectors, but the w6000 still has the placement flexibility which is nice. Whether or not you think the Benq will blow away a lower-end DLP is really going to depend on how much you like the IRIS vs. how much you'd rather have pure native contrast, as well as how much image noise bothers you. The Benq also has the noisier fan and added noise due to the IRIS.


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@BMaugans - I'm considering the same upgrade: HD1000U to HC4000.
You stated that the HC4000 was brighter - really that's my chief concern - it should be less bright as it puts out fewer lumens (bulb wear being equal). Is there something I'm missing or is it only brighter because of the new bulb?

The HC4000 hasn't come down in price much since when it was introduced, maybe $50 or so - that's kept me from pulling the trigger.

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I had a HD1000 and just recently set up my new H9500BD by Acer. In my opinion is a upgrade in 2D picture from the HD1000 but there is a time span between viewing both so could be my imagination. But black levels and depth gave me a shock value I do not recall feeling with the HD1000.
If looking for 3D 1080P there are three that I know of in the $1600 range give or take, Optoma HD33/3300, Epson 3010 and Acer H9500BD. If you game I would cross the 3010 off the list due to the larger amount of input lag vs the HD33/3300 and the H9500BD.
If looking for 2D only the projectors I have read raves on are the Epson 8350 and the 8500ub, Mitsubishi HC4000 and of course the BenQ6000. Think if I was after 2D only I would lean towards the BenQ6000.
I only have hands on experience with the Mitsubishi HD1000 and the Acer H9500BD.
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@BMaugans - I'm considering the same upgrade: HD1000U to HC4000.
You stated that the HC4000 was brighter - really that's my chief concern - it should be less bright as it puts out fewer lumens (bulb wear being equal). Is there something I'm missing or is it only brighter because of the new bulb?

Yeah, the new lamp is the main reason for the brightness difference.
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Thanks to comments in this thread, I decided to reset my HD1000's lamp counter when it got to 2,995 hours. The picture still looks very satisfying, and on many programs, it's quite clear that the source is the weakest link. I'll wait a while longer for a 1080p projector.
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I just found this thread and thought I'd put in my opinion in case there are others looking for a new projector from the HD1000.

I recently upgraded from the HD1000u to the HC4000. In terms of brightness, I don't notice the difference, and I'm very sensitive to changes. I always used low lamp mode on the HD1000, and I plan on doing so with the HC4000. I have a light controlled dedicated home theater with a 110" screen that has a 1.0 gain. Granted, the bulb is brand new and my HD1000 had about 2000 hours on it.

The dark area details are definitely better along with more natural skin tones.

A couple other things...
The fan noise is identical to the HD1000. It's not loud, and it's not totally quiet.
The color wheel sounds the same as well. There's an ever so slight whine which also changes pitch when switching resolutions from 1080p to 720p.

I have to admit, I was very skeptical going into buying this projector because it wasn't as huge of an upgrade that I was looking for, but I am pleasantly happy with what I see so far. There are no regrets here.

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Great thread!
I too am ready to upgrade my trusty HD1000U, after two bulbs and about 7500 hours. It still looks great, but i am yearning for 1080P and higher contrast.
I am torn between the HC4000, and the BenqW6000, which i can get at about the same price.
I have a large 133" inch Diag. screen, but it's the old school HIgh Power, 2.8 gain. I like a bright image!

If anyone can chime in - which of the two above mentioned PJ's would have the outright better 2D image, IYO.

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