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I am not sure which one from that site, my projector will not be in till tomorrow. Check out http://www.epson.ca/cgi-bin/ceStore/...oType=Overview
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I'm a little confused about the horizontal shift on the Epson's. The specs say the horizontal shift is 47%. Which I take to mean that the projector is able to basically shift the picture nearly all the way over so that the left or right edge is almost centered with the lens. Is that correct? So on a 92" screen, the projector can shoot the center of the screen 3.6ft to the right or left of the center of the lens? This would be perfect if true.

On the projector central reviews, he seems to imply this on the Epson 5010, but on the 8350 he says there is only a 25% horizontal range despite the product sheet showing the same 47%. Was this a typo, or am I just being dumb?
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On the projector central reviews, he seems to imply this on the Epson 5010, but on the 8350 he says there is only a 25% horizontal range despite the product sheet showing the same 47%. Was this a typo, or am I just being dumb?

Not sure about the typo but a can say that my 8350 lens is about 12 inches from the far right side of my 120" screen. Now that is not 47% but getting pretty close and I have the lens shifting down too. You can only get max shift when you use one or the other exclusively. When you use a bit of both it is more limited. In my case I am max shifted to the left. Epson provides a very good lens shift on the models that have that feature.
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I know this is a dumb question but I bought a new hdmi cord from HHGregg when i bought my 8350 but its not 480hz like the 5010 is. Heres the spec:
High definition video/audio cable with audio return
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Right now I have a Mits HD1000 and am waiting for the bulb to go. I was thinking of getting a plasma due to the darkness in the PQ from the Mits. I 'm sure over the past few years the Pq of the new units is much better but would they rival that of a good plasma? Love the big screen in my room but want a plasma like picture. The reviews seem to be good for the 5010 and price isn't much more than a good plasma!
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Right now I have a Mits HD1000 and am waiting for the bulb to go. I was thinking of getting a plasma due to the darkness in the PQ from the Mits. I 'm sure over the past few years the Pq of the new units is much better but would they rival that of a good plasma? Love the big screen in my room but want a plasma like picture. The reviews seem to be good for the 5010 and price isn't much more than a good plasma!

I had an Epson TW100 then the Mits HC 5000 then the Epson 6500 and now the Epson 6010 and I can tell you that every step was a significant one. Each was a little brighter with better picture quality, depending on the size you want to go and if your input signal is a good one (eg. Bluray), then you won't be disappointed.

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I know this is a dumb question but I bought a new hdmi cord from HHGregg when i bought my 8350 but its not 480hz like the 5010 is. Heres the spec:
High definition video/audio cable with audio return
3d and ethernet ready
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What is the question then? If you are asking if the cable will work with all the new stuff the answer is yes. Nobody cares about the 480hz panels in the newer Epsons because that is all internal to the unit and not related to any HDMI standard. There are no 480hz signals being delivered to consumers that I know of.
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What is the question then? If you are asking if the cable will work with all the new stuff the answer is yes. Nobody cares about the 480hz panels in the newer Epsons because that is all internal to the unit and not related to any HDMI standard. There are no 480hz signals being delivered to consumers that I know of.

Yes that was my question. Thanks.
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Yes that was my question. Thanks.

No problem. And when I say nobody cares about Epson's 480 panels I only mean from a standpoint of HDMI cabling and standards. Not that some folks aren't in love with those panels. I equate it to something from nothing but hey, I am a regular guy. The signal is what? The panel does what? Does any of this matter? What is the highest refresh rate signal you have available for viewing?
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Does this connect to the projector via a cable? I see a connector on the rear of my projector. I would like to have an emitter that I can place under my screen facing toward the seating area.

Epson has no information on their Web site.

It's my understanding that you use a Cat5 or 6 cable (standard)
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I'm a little confused about the horizontal shift on the Epson's. The specs say the horizontal shift is 47%. Which I take to mean that the projector is able to basically shift the picture nearly all the way over so that the left or right edge is almost centered with the lens. Is that correct? So on a 92" screen, the projector can shoot the center of the screen 3.6ft to the right or left of the center of the lens? This would be perfect if true.

Sort of. As I found when setting it up, the horizontal/vertical shifts and zoom are all tied together - how far you can shift it horizontally depends on how far you have shifted it up/down, and how zoomed it is.
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No problem. And when I say nobody cares about Epson's 480 panels I only mean from a standpoint of HDMI cabling and standards. Not that some folks aren't in love with those panels. I equate it to something from nothing but hey, I am a regular guy. The signal is what? The panel does what? Does any of this matter?

It matters for 3D, since the faster panel refresh allows the projector to keep the blanking intervals shorter, thus losing less perceived brightness with the glasses on.
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Anyone truly used the 5010 CMS and verified it does not have an unexpected effects on the image?

It seems the JVC CMS and Sony CMS have some significant negatives. This would be a big plus for Epson if it truly works as expected.

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if your looking for a gaming projector you should consider the acer 9500bd.


Why is that? Does it have no lag?
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i was thinking of getting this projector with da lite high power screen 133" do you think the screen would be a good match?
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Has anyone noticed any lens shift issues. Alot of people including myself who own 8350 and some 8700 who have their projectors ceiling mounted have lens shift issues as far as the lens falls and moves on it's own and gets out of alianment from the screen. Its annoying. With the 5010 and 6010 only having the lens shift has anyone noticed it yet.
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Has anyone noticed any lens shift issues. Alot of people including myself who own 8350 and some 8700 who have their projectors ceiling mounted have lens shift issues as far as the lens falls and moves on it's own and gets out of alianment from the screen. Its annoying. With the 5010 and 6010 only having the lens shift has anyone noticed it yet.

I find it better than the Epson 6500, that said I did have to re-adjust the vertical once just a little on the 6010.

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Sort of. As I found when setting it up, the horizontal/vertical shifts and zoom are all tied together - how far you can shift it horizontally depends on how far you have shifted it up/down, and how zoomed it is.

When you say "how zoomed it is", do you mean zooming it in or out keeps it from going to 47% shift, or just that the distance the picture is shifted changes with the size of the picture? That might be a bit of a pain if I have to leave it at full Wide or Telephoto in order to get the 47%. Vertical shouldn't be a problem though, so I'm not worried about that. For Vertical though, where does the picture line up with the lens?
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I installed my 5010 last Friday and saw and immediate improvement in Picture quality compared to my 1080UB (with ±800 hours on the lamp). It is much more luminous and at the same time as better black. That makes a picture with much more contrast, almost plasma like.

To illustrate the change I have taken some pictures with both projectors on the same screen. The 1080UB is projecting on the left half and the 5010 on the right. Both with iris were off

The screen is a Wilsonart DIY 2.40 screen and is 100 inches diagonal for 16/9 material. the pictures were taken with a Sony HXV9 on night handheld mode (6 pictures in 0.6 sec combined).

I used a Sony BD player with the 5010 on HDMI and the 1080UB on component. The source is the DVD Avia. I could not play a movie with both output on at the same time. too bad.

This first picture show both projestors aligned.


now the projectors are half blanked for each its side :


Same but with the 1080UB on living room.


Same buth both projector on Dynamic:


white levels:


gray scale:


black level:


black level zoomed:

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Nice comparison, could you do them separate with movie material(mixed to bright scenes) using longer exposure times?.. say 1 second. It will show more of a difference in the contrast.
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So Epson is upgrading me from the 8700UB to this. I am hoping the issues I had with my 8700 are resolved with this model. Mainly, I'm hoping the 5010 can hold precise focus and maintain picture position. We'll just have to see.
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Can some of you early 5010 adopters comment on the 3D quality, particularly the amount of ghosting? I have an 8700UB and I'm thinking of upgrading to 3D. I have last year's 52" Sony HX909, and my take on 3D on the Sony is that with most titles the ghosting is too severe for it to be very watchable.

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I've only watched Polar Express & Tron Legacy 3D and didn't notice any ghosting or crosstalk using Epson 3D glasses.

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Same here with Panasonic glasses. No ghosting.

I have watched hubble 3D, parts of Rio 3D, How to train your dragon 3D, the ultimate wave Tahiti 3 D.

The only thing that happens from time to time is some flickering with fast moving objects in the foreground, like the birds in the opening of Rio 3D.

I will recheck with the Epson glasses when I receive them.

To date 3D is pretty impressive with this projector.

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So Epson is upgrading me from the 8700UB to this. I am hoping the issues I had with my 8700 are resolved with this model. Mainly, I'm hoping the 5010 can hold precise focus and maintain picture position. We'll just have to see.


My 6010 does not exibit the same change of focus when the projector warms up like the 6500 did.

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My 6010 does not exibit the same change of focus when the projector warms up like the 6500 did.

So, good news is that it holds focus.... Bad news is a major issue in white field uniformity and convergence. I think I might just go for the refund and pick up a JVC HD250
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So, good news is that it holds focus.... Bad news is a major issue in white field uniformity and convergence. I think I might just go for the refund and pick up a JVC HD250

Care to provide facts that the HD250 has better convergence than the 5010/6010?
Also, can you post the findings regarding major white field uniformity issue with the 5010/6010.

I haven't seen anyone who actually owns or tested/calibrated a 5010/6010 mention those issues or comparisons.

Just trying to get facts on these statements.

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Care to provide facts that the HD250 has better convergence than the 5010/6010?
Also, can you post the findings regarding major white field uniformity issue with the 5010/6010.

I haven't seen anyone who actually owns or tested/calibrated a 5010/6010 mention those issues or comparisons.

Just trying to get facts on these statements.

Woah man, hold up a second. I never said that the HD250 was perfect. I have gone through 4 exchanges on my 8700ub and now one 5010. My original 8700 (the one I still have) is PERFECT other than the focus issue. I literally love the picture and would easily compare it to my old HD350. I didn't see one of my 8700 replacements have issues with white field uniformity but this 5010 has a distinct blue/red tint going from right to left when displaying a 100IRE pattern. I too was shocked and disappointing because the 5010 is a very nice projector. Last time I've seen a major issue with uniformity was on my 1080UB 4 years ago. I would be willing to see if I could get another 5010 replacement but I believe they are just going to refund me instead. What else should I do? Also the 5010 is much less sharp than my 8700ub due to the convergence that even the panel alignment does not remedy. Red is off two pixels on the entire right half of the screen and panel alignment doesn't seem to help.
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Anyone truly used the 5010 CMS and verified it does not have an unexpected effects on the image?

It seems the JVC CMS and Sony CMS have some significant negatives. This would be a big plus for Epson if it truly works as expected.

... Altan

Anyone?
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Woah man, hold up a second. I never said that the HD250 was perfect. I have gone through 4 exchanges on my 8700ub and now one 5010. My original 8700 (the one I still have) is PERFECT other than the focus issue. I literally love the picture and would easily compare it to my old HD350. I didn't see one of my 8700 replacements have issues with white field uniformity but this 5010 has a distinct blue/red tint going from right to left when displaying a 100IRE pattern. I too was shocked and disappointing because the 5010 is a very nice projector. Last time I've seen a major issue with uniformity was on my 1080UB 4 years ago. I would be willing to see if I could get another 5010 replacement but I believe they are just going to refund me instead. What else should I do? Also the 5010 is much less sharp than my 8700ub due to the convergence that even the panel alignment does not remedy. Red is off two pixels on the entire right half of the screen and panel alignment doesn't seem to help.

Sorry if my questions seem to look abrasive but I was just after where your claims came from since what you mentioned is the first time I've seen those issues reported.
Sometimes direct questions come across this way in text.

Now that I know that they are your own personal observations and if they are defects, we should start seeing more reports.

Good luck.

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