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Received my 5010 from Projector People last night.

I had a 8350 and the 5010 beats it hands down in black levels & sharpness. No contest.
*I still have the 8350 so I was able to do an A/B comparison. The 8350 does output a great picture for its price range.


Pixel Alignment:
*This is located under the Extended menu & not mentioned in the current manual.

**It appears that the European model may have the LCD pixel alignment hidden.
Here are the steps to access it.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=297


I played with the pixel alignment and here's how it works.
*My red was off about 1/2 pixel to the left. Other 2 panels where aligned with each other.

1. You first choose a panel color.
Either Red or Blue. Green can not be adjusted but it doesn't matter as it's used at the center point to move the other 2 panels.

2. You then adjust the panel in each of the four corners Vertically and Horizontally.
I believe the panel movement is in 1/20 of a pixel movement. It's definitely fine movement and a lot less than 1 pixel.

3. Then you will be prompted to select a section on the grid to finish the alignment.
I picked the worst red offset which was near the middle.
A "+" will be displayed at the grid allowing you to see the panel movement.
You can then select another location and align.
You can keep repeating this as needed.
Once done, I had virtually perfect convergence.

*Other view points at pixel alignment.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=307

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1317

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1342

**Detailed Alignment procedure.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=666

Focusing:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=670

Keystone:
I played with the keystone and it does seem to work well but you will lose a bit of sharpness/focus. Probably not noticeable in normal viewing. I recommend not using keystone and using the lens shift.

Iris:
I can't hear it 5-6 feet above my head but from 3-4 feet, you can hear a slight rumbling sound when it makes adjustments.
*This is during quiet passages and scenes change from light to dark or vise versa.
Otherwise, you won't hear it over normal audio.
It's not bothersome like the high pitch tone the Benq W6000 I had for a few weeks but seems to be a bit louder than my 8350.
If off though, the blacks look great. I basically do not "see" the black bars any more.

Fan:
The ECO mode is dead quiet.

The Normal mode is a little louder than my 8350 but sounds like a PC fan.
Measured -40db about 2 feet away using my iPad DB meter.
I do hear it in quiet/silent dialog.

Picture Quality:
PQ is great. I used Art/Mikes settings from projectorreviews & did some tweaking for now but I'm using Living Room mode to get more lumens.
I will do a full calibration later as I get some decent lamp hours.
With the extra lumens and contrast, you get a great picture with that "pop" of DLP.

Edit: I have switched to Natural mode. Living Room appears to have a red push & too bright for a bat cave.

Edit: 1/14/2013
Switched back to Living room mode
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/of...#post_22830363

Ceiling mount:
I haven't seen Chief or Peerless release an official mount yet for the 5010. Only the 3010.
I'm using the Peerless PRG-UNV mount.
I like it because I can mount it straight to the ceiling or add an extension pole later if needed.
http://www.peerlessmounts.com/dyn/Pr...3/u/t/av/15107

Other compatible mounts:
http://www.peerlessmounts.com/dyn/Pr....aspx/av/15198
http://www.chiefmfg.com/Mount-Finder...0Cinema%205010

Need a low profile ceiling mount
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/of...#post_22253647


Having issues with lens shift
*All Epson lens shift are pretty much the same design

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1283049


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5010/6010 differences:
The 6010 includes all of the 5010 features plus:

Case is Black
2 Pairs of Epson 3D Glasses
THX Mode Pre-Calibrated
Two anamorphic lens modes (stretch and squeeze) — enables 2.35:1 anamorphic viewing with anamorphic lens(sold separately)
Chief Mount Included
3 Year Warranty
Cable Cover
Extra lamp Included

Reviews:
http://www.displaycalibrationonline...._epson5010.asp

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...5010/index.php

http://www.projectorcentral.com/epso...tor_review.htm

*EH-TW6100 (PowerLite 3020) Review
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/of...#post_23393002

Reviews of the RS45 and some notes comparing the 5010.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1627
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=368

Measured Contrast
Using the Natural Mode, Low lamp after calibration
Long throw: 467 lumens and 6635:1 contrast
Short throw: 618 lumens and 3867:1 contrast

The auto-iris seems to provide a 3x multiple. I got just over 15,000:1 compared to about 5,000:1 native.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=188

And to compare, the JVC RS45.
The contrast you would expect under ordinary conditions is 17,660.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1627

HP Screen anyone?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/of...#post_22248538

Compatible 3D glasses
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1372529

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/s...61&foid=199263

Epson 3D glasses manual
http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchf...8/278AS3DG.PDF

Having issue with the Monster Max 3D glasses?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/of...#post_22766037

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/of...#post_22091018

DIY Motorized lens shift, zoom & focus
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1401911

ND filter
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/of...#post_22161762

Epson LPE for better contrast
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442399/ep...etailed-review

Does your unit have the latest FW?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1399426

Check your FW version:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/of...#post_22289612



Epson 5010/6010 'Cinema filter Error', grinding noise, red light fix with pics
Epson 5010/6010 'Cinema filter Error', grinding noise, red light fix with pics


Manual
http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/p...plhc5010ug.pdf

Want enhanced sharpness and details?
Consider getting a Darbee
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/da...#post_22301803
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/of...#post_22550353

Good discussion on black levels
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1436767/th...t-black-levels

AVS HD Calibration disc
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs...p4-calibration
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Received my 5010 from Projector People last night.
Won't be doing much calibrating until I hit at least 50 hours, which will probably be about 1-2 months for me since I only use the projector for movie watching a couple times a week.

I had a 8350 and the 5010 beats it hands down in black levels & sharpness. No contest.
*I still have the 8350 so I was able to do an A/B comparison.


Pixel Alignment:
I played with the pixel alignment and here's how it works.
*My red was off about 1/2 pixel to the left. Other 2 panels where aligned with each other.

1. You first choose a panel color.
Either Red or Blue. Green can not be adjusted but it doesn't matter as it's used at the center point to move the other 2 panels.

2. You then adjust the panel in each of the four corners Vertically and Horizontally.
I believe the panel movement is in 1/20 of a pixel movement. It's definitely fine movement and a lot less than 1 pixel.

3. Then you will be prompted to select a section on the grid to finish the alignment.
I picked the worst red offset which was near the middle.
A "+" will be displayed at the grid allowing you to see the panel movement.
Once done, I had virtually perfect convergence.

Keystone:
I played with the keystone and it does seem to work well but you will lose a bit of sharpness/focus. Probably not noticeable in normal viewing.

Fan:
The ECO mode is dead quiet.
The Normal mode is a little louder than my 8350 but sound like a PC fan.
I do hear it in quiet dialog.

Picture Quality:
PQ is great. I used Art/Mikes settings from projectorreviews & did some tweaking for now but I'm using Living Room mode to get more lumens.
I will do a full calibration later as I get some decent lamp hours.
With the extra lumens and contrast, you get a great picture with that "pop" of DLP.

Overall, I'm happy with the upgrade.
Now I need to get a 3D player and some glasses.

you said "I had a 8350 and the 5010 beats it hands down in black levels & sharpness. No contest."
you forgot to mention that the 5010 costs $1600 more than the 8350
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People.... Everyone is waiting for a gaming lag review on this projector>

someone please hook up an xbox and report back>
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if your looking for a gaming projector you should consider the acer 9500bd.
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Wow only 1/2 pixel off total, now that's good convergence for an Epson.
Consider yourself a lucky dog, unless Epson up'd the tolerance on these pricier units, it's possible.


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ProjectorCentral.com just posted a review about the 5010 http://www.projectorcentral.com/epso...tor_review.htm

There is a comparison between it and the Pana AE7000 at toward the end. I am waiting for other reviews to be posted especially a head to head comparison between 5010 vs AE7000
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Sounds like Epson may have hit a home run with this 5010 unless we start hearing alot of negative owner comments within the next few months.

This unit appears to be my choice as a replacement for my old Sanyo Z5 dead centered to the screen on a shelf with a 19ft. throw displayed on a 120" 16:9 DIY Wilson Art Designer White screen. I dont really care about the 3D but in order to acquire a PJ with the 5010`s high lumen ratings i assume the consumer is stuck with 3D regardless. By next spring this 5010 might be priced around $2250 which IMO is not too bad for an excellent 2D performer with its features & specifically the lumen ratings which should hold fairly decent even after 1K hours on the lamp that is only priced at $299 from Epson direct.

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Wow only 1/2 pixel off total, now that's good convergence for an Epson.
Consider yourself a lucky dog, unless Epson up'd the tolerance on these pricier units, it's possible.

My 8350 was only off a 1/2 pixel on the red as well but the green was off a 1/2 pixel as well.
Since Epson indicates the pixel alignment is motorized, I assume it's not done via software but it's actually moving the panel.
I guess we'll find out when someone does more research on this feature.

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People.... Everyone is waiting for a gaming lag review on this projector>

someone please hook up an xbox and report back>

May be about 50ms???

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ProjectorCentral.com just posted a review about the 5010 http://www.projectorcentral.com/epso...tor_review.htm

There is a comparison between it and the Pana AE7000 at toward the end. I am waiting for other reviews to be posted especially a head to head comparison between 5010 vs AE7000

http://www.projectorreviews.com/pana...ompetitors.php

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...5010/index.php

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Review from another owner from another thread.


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I thought I might start an owners thread for the Epson 5010 since I received mine on Friday and it was suggested we move the discussion from a few of the others that are ongoing. Overall I can't say enough positive things about the projector so far. Although, I do realize my frame of reference may be slightly skewed coming from a 4yr old Epson home cinema 1080. I know that many will begin to receive their orders next week so I look forward to hearing from everyone about their initial impressions. Lag doesn't seem to be an issue but without solid objective measurements please don't take my word for it. 2d to 3d conversion seems to be cool but certainly not a replacement. Might be worth checking out during some of the games this afternoon. The Epson glasses work well but I'll have to find a smaller set for my children. The youngest spent last night holding the Epson model up to his face throughout the movie. Plan to checkout "fifth element" tonight so I'll post more of my 2d impressions after that.

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42Plasmaman,
How does the blacks compare to the Benq W6000.

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How does the blacks compare to the Benq W6000.

Darker/blacker when iris is enabled.
With iris disabled on both, the 5010 is still darker.

With iris disabled on 5010 and enabled on W6000, the 5010 is a little lighter.

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Actually, the link below is the full and more in depth comparison of the Panasonic AE7000 vs the Epson 5010 via projectorreviews.com:

http://www.projectorreviews.com/proj...5010/index.php
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Trust projectorreviews.com over PJC.
PJC are ridiculously biased to Panny.

The facts are simple, the Epson 5010 has much higher native contrast, about double, so it will have darker blacks over the Panny. The Epson also has the brighter best modes and pixel convergence correction, the Panny has neither of thse. The Epson is much brighter for 3D and has a more accurate picture in 3D, and has a larger range in 2D to 3D brightness for adjustments in different modes.

All the Panny has that the Epson does not is the lens memory, so if you don't need that feature, I see no need to even compare the two, the Epson wins across the board.


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The only thing that bothers me about the Epson is the lack of Iris and CFI in 3D. I really think Epson should update the projector to include these missing features.
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Darker/blacker when iris is enabled.
With iris disabled on both, the 5010 is still darker.

With iris disabled on 5010 and enabled on W6000, the 5010 is a little lighter.

have you seen the 5010 and w6000(together)?

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With Native Contrast of 6500:1, you don't really need an IRIS much at all (if any) in 3D mode.

The Panny only has 8000:1 dynamic contrast in Rec709 mode WITH the IRIS.


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have you seen the 5010 and w6000(together)?

The W6000 went back a week ago so my observation would be from memory but when I have a completely black picture on the screen with the 5010, I need a flash light to see in my bat cave whereas with the W6000 the black level would still allow me to see in the room(Same with the 8350).

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Trust projectorreviews.com over PJC.
PJC are ridiculously biased to Panny.
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yet, they do show the epson #1 over the panny 7000 here: http://www.projectorcentral.com/home...projectors.htm


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The facts are simple, the Epson 5010 has much higher native contrast, about double, so it will have darker blacks over the Panny. The Epson also has the brighter best modes and pixel convergence correction, the Panny has neither of thse. The Epson is much brighter for 3D and has a more accurate picture in 3D, and has a larger range in 2D to 3D brightness for adjustments in different modes.

the blacks of the panny in 3d look better in that head to head review since the iris is disabled in epson 3d. so that is one diff, if you want to watch some content in 3d and need dark blacks.

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All the Panny has that the Epson does not is the lens memory, so if you don't need that feature, I see no need to even compare the two, the Epson wins across the board

i've come to the same conclusion. looking to install one in the next 30 days.
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Yah because the Panny's IRIS can be really aggressive in Dynamic modes, too aggressive. You'll get side effects. I'm not saying the Panny 7000 is a bad projector, I just think if you look at all the attributes and remove the lens memory ability, then the Panny 7000 isn't the strongest across the board.

An IRIS cannot realistically completely make up for a halving in Native Contrast when it's at such a crucial point (3000:1 to 6500:1). This is like one of the most crucial points for native contrast, especially if you will be at mid-zoom or closest throw, you'll lose more native contrast and probably get 2500:1 on the Panny and 5000:1 on the Epson. That is where it goes from so-so native blacks to really nice blacks, that difference is far more visible than say 6500:1 to 10,000:1 native.

Overall, the NATIVE black levels are more important than IRIS enhanced black levels, far more important in my mind.

Most experts and videophiles cannot live with overly aggressive IRIS's.
Some of you might be ok with it, but I wouldn't, even when I got my first projector the IRIS would bother me in dynamic mode if it was too cranked out.


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Flipping through the manual and it appears the 5010 has the Pixelworks DNX processor.
So Epson removed the HQV Reon–VX used in previous UB models for the Pixelworks.


The Super Resolution feature is also about useless unless you like ringing on your picture from the over enhanced sharpening.

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Flipping through the manual and it appears the 5010 has the Pixelworks DNX processor.
So Epson removed the HQV Reon–VX used in previous UB models for the Pixelworks.


The Super Resolution feature is also about useless unless you like ringing on your picture from the over enhanced sharpening.

I think Epson made a big mistake not keeping the Reon, if it allows for FI, DI and SR in 3D mode. Both the Panny and Sony allow FI and DI in 3D mode. This is where Epson missed out. The SR on my 9500 works really well so the indication that it is now useless is disappointing. Epson cut the price to compete with the Panny and may have cut some important features for 3D as well. Edit -- No DI for the Sony in 3D mode.
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I've read some where the Sim2 projectors use the Pixelworks DNX processor......was it a mistake for them? does this change your view if in fact the Epson does use the same chip as a Sim2?
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I think Epson made a gig mistake not keeping the Reon, if it allows for FI, DI and SR in 3D mode. Both the Panny and Sony allow FI and DI in 3D mode. This is where Epson missed out. The SR on my 9500 works really well so the indication that it is now useless is disappointing. Epson cut the price to compete with the Panny and may have cut some important features for 3D as well.

Yes this is a big mistake from epson

You need that in 3d.
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I'm looking for the 5010 or the RS-45. How is the crosstalk/ghosting on 3D mode? The RS-45 seem to be not that good so I hope the 5010 is doing better...
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Since people will be getting the 6010 also, it might be appropriate to have this thread include this model also.

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Yes, just ordered my 6010.

Anthem Statement D2v3D, Paradigm Sub 2, Paradigm S8s with C5, Anthem Statement M1 Amps, 174" AT Scope Screen, Epson 6010 3D Projector
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I'm looking for the 5010 or the RS-45. How is the crosstalk/ghosting on 3D mode? The RS-45 seem to be not that good so I hope the 5010 is doing better...

I have a set of Epson 3D glasses on the way but need to rent or buy a title other than Avatar, which is known to not have issues.

I have Disney's Christmas Carol on 3D but I don't know if I can stomach that movie again since we just watched it on 2D a week ago.

I will see if I can rent something from BlockBuster because I sure don't want to plop down $20-35 for a 3D movie that has no multiple viewing playability value.

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I've read some where the Sim2 projectors use the Pixelworks DNX processor......was it a mistake for them? does this change your view if in fact the Epson does use the same chip as a Sim2?

It may not be the chip for 3D, but for 2D it did one heck of a job with my last projector.

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I'm looking for the 5010 or the RS-45. How is the crosstalk/ghosting on 3D mode? The RS-45 seem to be not that good so I hope the 5010 is doing better...

If ghosting is your main concern, you'll do better with something like the Benq W7000. All of these 3 panel projectors will have some ghosting compared to DLP.

Being 2D is my main concern, the 5010 looks like a winner too me. If it weren't for getting my JVC RS45 for around the same price, if not cheaper. The 5010 would have been my first choice.
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