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I have been doing lots of research, but i find it hard to filter by the render delay - most models do not say it. The 8350 looks freaking perfect for what I want, but the lack of a headphone jack (audio out) means I will have to drop a few hundred dollars to get a HDMI receiver...

Can anyone recommend a good 1080 gaming pj below 1500$ that has audio output jacks?

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Why? Can't you do an audio our from your gaming machine to whatever stereo you have now?
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Why? Can't you do an audio our from your gaming machine to whatever stereo you have now?

Les's idea would work depending what stereo you use. I have an older onkyo I use for my gaming setup and it takes HDMI in but it does not do audio out (stupid I know.) I just run a seperate optical cable from my 360 or ps3 to get audio and use HDMI for video only.
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It's a bit complicated to explain, but the summary is that our sound system is a nice THX-cert Klipsch 2.1 that only connects with a headphone jack.

The gaming PC down the hall and the cable box both have hdmi output. I would not strictly NEED a receiver but it would massively simplify the situation. I can always run a long ass audio cable down the hallway and then manually plug and unplug whichever audio source I want to use when I want to switch inputs.

A headphone jack output on the pj would allow me to just use two hdmi inputs and never have to juggle audio connections...

Regardless of the reasons, I am super impressed with the attention you guys are giving the display lag issue seen in modestly priced pj's. It's a shame we cant filter by that on pjcentral or something. It's made shopping/research more time consuming than needed.

Thanks again!
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It's a bit complicated to explain, but the summary is that our sound system is a nice THX-cert Klipsch 2.1 that only connects with a headphone jack.

Thanks again!

Must be a computer speaker set? I am assuming the speakers are driven by the subwoofers amp?

You have $1500 to spend?

http://www.amazon.com/Epson-PowerLit...5727817&sr=8-1 $1094

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-VSX-82...5727890&sr=1-2 $241.61

Grand total $1335.61

The Plus to that combo is you will have a capable reciever with self calibration( though doubt works through the headphone jack) and able to upgrade your speakers later on.
If speakers are driven by the subwoofer you could drive the 2 speakers with the reciever and buy a seperate subwoofer then you can calibrate which makes a world of a difference.
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F1...5729557&sr=1-1 This brings the total to $1523.99 ($188.38)

http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-Mon...729646&sr=1-14 This one would bring the total to $1455.60 ($119.99)

Just throwing out idea's, may not be what your after.

Happy hunting/researching, Cheers.
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Must be a computer speaker set? I am assuming the speakers are driven by the subwoofers amp?

You have $1500 to spend?

http://www.amazon.com/Epson-PowerLit...5727817&sr=8-1 $1094

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-VSX-82...5727890&sr=1-2 $241.61

Grand total $1335.61

The Plus to that combo is you will have a capable reciever with self calibration( though doubt works through the headphone jack) and able to upgrade your speakers later on.
If speakers are driven by the subwoofer you could drive the 2 speakers with the reciever and buy a seperate subwoofer then you can calibrate which makes a world of a difference.
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F1...5729557&sr=1-1 This brings the total to $1523.99 ($188.38)

http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-Mon...729646&sr=1-14 This one would bring the total to $1455.60 ($119.99)

Just throwing out idea's, may not be what your after.

Happy hunting/researching, Cheers.







you are awesome, sir. Thanks for everything there!!!

And yes you were right that it's more meant for PC's :
http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-ProMed.../dp/B000062VUO
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http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-ProMed.../dp/B000062VUO

Doesn't look like those satellite speakers have speaker wire terminals but rather the pre-wired together with one connection to the subwoofer. If that is the case one could cut open the cord and separate. Speaker without volume control would only have two wires the one with volume control the speaker wires may not be easily known without taking the speaker container apart. This really may not be in your interest if is the case.
Another alternate would be add in bookshelf speakers and then keep the computer speakers for a computer room or something else.
http://www.amazon.com/America-Rtrv44...776268&sr=8-15 $24.99

In case you haven't thought of it you would need speaker wire for the speakers and a composite cable for the subwoofer.
Sub signal cable- http://www.amazon.com/Acoustic-Resea...5782478&sr=1-1 $7.49
Speaker wire- http://www.amazon.com/RCA-AH1450SN-1...5783327&sr=1-2 $10.81

I just listed a few idea's, recomend researching into each component. From what I have read on the 8350 and what I know of the Pioneer recievers I think you would be satisfied with those. When you go the reciever and seperate speaker route you can upgrade, replace single components vs needing a whole set up.

Total minus shipping $1498.89 for the 8350, Pioneer listed, Polk sub, Bic bookshelfs and speaker wire and sub wire.
Keep in mind there are other ways to go about it but this is one that may fit your needs.
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Doesn't look like those satellite speakers have speaker wire terminals but rather the pre-wired together with one connection to the subwoofer. If that is the case one could cut open the cord and separate. Speaker without volume control would only have two wires the one with volume control the speaker wires may not be easily known without taking the speaker container apart. This really may not be in your interest if is the case.
Another alternate would be add in bookshelf speakers and then keep the computer speakers for a computer room or something else.
http://www.amazon.com/America-Rtrv44...776268&sr=8-15 $24.99

In case you haven't thought of it you would need speaker wire for the speakers and a composite cable for the subwoofer.
Sub signal cable- http://www.amazon.com/Acoustic-Resea...5782478&sr=1-1 $7.49
Speaker wire- http://www.amazon.com/RCA-AH1450SN-1...5783327&sr=1-2 $10.81

I just listed a few idea's, recomend researching into each component. From what I have read on the 8350 and what I know of the Pioneer recievers I think you would be satisfied with those. When you go the reciever and seperate speaker route you can upgrade, replace single components vs needing a whole set up.

Total minus shipping $1498.89 for the 8350, Pioneer listed, Polk sub, Bic bookshelfs and speaker wire and sub wire.
Keep in mind there are other ways to go about it but this is one that may fit your needs.

Awesome sauce

The 2.1 satellites do actually have raw speaker wire endings. Here is what the back of the sub looks like:


I was really surprised to hear about the headphone not working bit. My colleague mentioned the same thing... he recently bought a 7.1 system and found out later that the headphone jack only worked for analog inputs, NOT for the HDMI inputs. In my opinion that is silly and useless. How can I check to make sure that the receiver can be used with headphones for all audio sources?

I want to go with 2.1 sound for the near future. In theory I would like a receiver that supports 5.1, which allows me to add 2 or three more speakers to take me up to 4.1 or 5.1 as living space allows.

Thanks!!!
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The 2.1 satellites do actually have raw speaker wire endings. Here is what the back of the sub looks like:


I was really surprised to hear about the headphone not working bit. My colleague mentioned the same thing... he recently bought a 7.1 system and found out later that the headphone jack only worked for analog inputs, NOT for the HDMI inputs.

Hmm didn't think about a HDMI input not going through the headphone jack and only analog. I would have assumed it to work too, accept your friends did not. I would check the recievers you are looking into manuals and or writing the manufacturer a e-mail to clarify. I personaly never use the headphone jacks on any of the recievers I have had so of no help.
I was mentioning that the MCACC calibration of the reciever wouldn't work using the headphone jack. Which when you hear the difference of uncalibrated vs calibrated it is pretty amazing. No over powered highs/mids/low's.
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Hmm didn't think about a HDMI input not going through the headphone jack and only analog. I would have assumed it to work too, accept your friends did not. I would check the recievers you are looking into manuals and or writing the manufacturer a e-mail to clarify. I personaly never use the headphone jacks on any of the recievers I have had so of no help.
I was mentioning that the MCACC calibration of the reciever wouldn't work using the headphone jack. Which when you hear the difference of uncalibrated vs calibrated it is pretty amazing. No over powered highs/mids/low's.

Thanks for clarifying. I will share any more tidbits I hear.

I just learned a whole lot more after googling about the MCACC capabilities. Very interesting. Your comments about the sub make much more sense in that context...

I have an old rockford fosgate punch series 12" sub in a box - it used to be part of a car stereo system. Is it feasible to try to re-purpose that instead of buying one a new one meant for home use?

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Thanks for clarifying. I will share any more tidbits I hear.

I just learned a whole lot more after googling about the MCACC capabilities. Very interesting. Your comments about the sub make much more sense in that context...

I have an old rockford fosgate punch series 12" sub in a box - it used to be part of a car stereo system. Is it feasible to try to re-purpose that instead of buying one a new one meant for home use?

-Peter

Yes but maybe not how you are thinking of going about it. The multichannel recievers are designed to send a signal to a powered subwoofer. It may work to use a channel other then fronts to drive the subwoofer. I have never tried it and my two concerns would be channel power to drive the subwoofer. Then working the EQ so it only get's the low frequencies. Since those two computer speaker's will not pull much wattage there may/should be enough channel power to drive a subwoofer to moderate levels. But really not sure on the EQ part, especially since it will want to cut the channels 80hz and up and send the lower frequency 80hz/lower out the subwoofer output.
So the Yes part to your question. You would need a amplifier to drive the subwoofer. You may have the one you used for it which I am assuming uses 12volt input power. You could utilize that amplifier but will need a power supply. Something like this http://www.amazon.com/Pyramid-PSV300.../ref=pd_cp_e_4 $89.99

Or deppending what that subwoofer needs for watts could buy a subwoofer amplifier.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=...83&rnid=493964

Example 70 watt's for $59.60
http://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-S...5825656&sr=1-3
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agreed, I would need a 12 v power supply. I think I may have one in the garage somewhere.

I am starting to feel silly for trying to frankenstein-ize this audio setup after dropping a grand on the projector. I am going to get a 5.1 receiver either way, maybe I should stop worrying for now and see how we feel about the total experience using just the headphone jack. If it sucks I will want to get some decent speakers.... decent sounding plan?
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I am going to get a 5.1 receiver either way, maybe I should stop worrying for now and see how we feel about the total experience using just the headphone jack.

Sounds like a good plan.
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