Originally Posted by basementdweller1
Ok, I have looked at the calculator on projector central and read a bunch of threads here but I am a totally confused...
I have a 20' deep room, the screen will be on the far wall with 2 rows of seating, likely at 11' and 17'. Ceiling height is 7'10", the back row will be on a riser no taller than 12". I will be using a 126-120" diagonal screen with Center Stage XD AT material with a 1.2 gain. I planned on ceiling mounting projector 16' back and about 2' off center but could move the projector as far forward as 15' perhaps even 14' forward, not sure if that would then be in field of view for people in row 2 on a 12" riser. Light can be totally controlled for movie viewing. I may watch some sports with minimal ambient light when family is around.
The two units I am looking at are the popular and inexpensive Epson 8350 vs. the new, supposedly brighter/more contrast/3D Epson 5010. The price difference is about $1800. Both could be in budget but I sure could use that $1800 for other things in my basement build. The 5010 also seems to be having quite a few complaints on build issues and lag time in the official thread.
Well let's brook no mistake. The 5010 is an exceptional improvement over the 8350 in every dept. save lag time. (...an issue for Gamers only...) I appreciate the 8350 for all that it is...having been "associated" with 14 or so since Sept '10. But I've pleasured myself with both the 5010 & the 6010 as well, and for providing a dynamic & Contrasty image...with real impact, on low lamp.........the 5010/6010 are at a level as far above the 8350 and the latter was above the Panny 4000U. The 8350's Blacks are not sufficient to go "Toe to Toe" with the 5010. (...the 3010....that's different.
1. My primary concern is BRIGHTNESS. I don't *need* 3D, figured it would be a novelty but I could buy the cheaper unit now and upgrade in a few years when 3D is cheap and brighter. Is the 8350 BRIGHT ENOUGH from back in the 17'-15' throw range? Is the 5010? This on a 126-120" diagonal 1.2 gain screen?
Fact: 5010 @ 15' Throw to 126" diagonal 1.2 Gain surface = 21 Fl. Very sufficient for 3D in light controlled environs.
Fact: 8350 @ 14' Throw to 126" diagonal 1.2 Gain surface = 21 Fl.
2. Is the brightness difference between these great enough (2000 vs. 2400 lumens) to really see a difference?
The 5010 vs 8350 ?....easily so. The 8350, in any direct and identical "distance / screen size / Gain" match-up, will come up short in the Lumen/Foot Lambert Depts..
3. What is the opinion of folks on mounting a projector on the ceiling FORWARD of a seating row? I can avoid that by mounting at 17', but for max brightness should I move the projector to 15' maybe 14' a few feet forward of the 2nd row to get better brightness?
First off, you keep bouncing back and forth between Far & Close Throws. Simple rule. Placing a PJ at but no closer than with 10-15% of it's shortest Throw distance (...as per Lens Zooming parameters...) will always be optimal as far as delivering the highest degree of output to the selected surface....at any given possible size.
But you said your ceiling is just 7' 10" Riser is 12" Either PJ with a "very short" Ceiling mount will add another 9". That leaves just 6' clearance between the Riser Floor and the bottom of the PJ.
With the 6010 being Black...you'd have a chance at having a discreet installation is an OK one....If you place it directly over the rear seats.
The 5010 and 8350 have White Casings. And they would be hanging right down there for the Rear seat Patrons.
Don't give a Hoot about 'em? We can move on. Otherwise, the further back you decide to mount the PJ, the more better a choice the 5010 becomes. Your room's situation call out for a Rear of the Room installation.
...that was another "Fact: "
4. Is the contrast differences between the 8350 and the 5010 super noticeable, will I be disappointed in a washed out experience from the cheaper unit?
In a well designed Light Controlled Room? I'd venture to say no...and feel perfectly justified in saying so. Anything else and the differences between the two units and their performance potential is too wide to not consider.
Price does matter if your willing to look at the equation as a "Upgrade-oriented" affair. Cop a 8350 for $1000.00 (less mount) and you'll be fine until 2013 or so.
5. Do we suspect that just a few years from now there will be sub-$1500 3D projectors with much brighter, better contrast?
Thanks... so confused if I should go with the expensive projector or just get the cheaper well reviewed one and wait for the cost of 3D to drop. The key is BRIGHTNESS/CONTRAST comparison on my biggish screen when throwing from 17'-15' back.
A few years? We don't extend wait times beyond 2 around here. And in that time, it's more likely it will be the case that prices will be lower.