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A Choose your Own Projector Guide


 

BUDGET 3D PROJECTORS (and most feature rich under $1000):

 

The new Benq w1070 (3D) projector has been receiving a lot of praise in the forums and is priced under $1,000. This is the most feature rich DLP ever released anywhere near this price range even if it were 2D only, but it's also 3D. This Benq is a somewhat short throw projector, but the w1080st has an even shorter throw if you want to project even larger screen sizes from a shorter distance. This Benq w1070 also appears to be one of the sharpest projectors under $3000 competing with many projectors in sharpness that cost much more. To add to this incredible deal, it is also one of the most color accurate without a calibration, and surprisingly it even has a little bit of lens shift. You can place the projector either above or below the screen slightly, between 2.5" and 7.5" above/below for a 100" 16:9 screen, larger screens will have a slightly larger placement range. It also has triple flash 3D at 144hz, but it does lack Frame Interpolation (which is probably not needed by most, especially at this price). It is very bright at around 2000 lumens and should be able to light up 150" screens without a problem, although for the brightest 3D you might want slightly smaller screens. It is rumored to have a 6x color wheel, but this has not been confirmed reliably.

 

Optoma hd25e and Optoma hd131xe
If you need a longer throw (projector mounted farther behind you), then the Optomas serve as good alternatives to the Benq w1070. Both these Optomas have slightly different characteristics, with the hd25e being a little more expensive than the hd131xe. The Benq is generally said to have better color out of the box than the Optoma, but the Optomas support RF 3D and DLP Link, instead of just DLP link like the Benq. RF 3D glasses maintain contrast better due to no red-flash in the image, so the Optoma is reportedly slightly better for 3D than the Benq w1070. That said, the Benq and Optomas have very different throw ranges, so it is more likely where you are setting up the projector will lean you towards buying one or the other (Benq vs. Optoma), rather than overall image quality. Still, the Benq is said to be slightly better in 2D producing a more uniformly sharp image, whereas the Optomas are slightly better for 3D. There is also an Optoma hd25-lv variant model, this one is brighter than the hd25e or hd131xe, so if you have a very large screen, then you might also consider this other model Optoma.

 

Viewsonic PJD7820HD (3D Light Canon) with 3500+ max Lumens

Here we have a completely different projector compared to the others mentioned above, the Viewsonic is literally ground breaking in terms of being a light cannon. This projector will blind you in a darkened home theater room unless we are talking screen sizes 150" to 200" diagonal. One reviewer measured the maximum light output of this projector at an astounding 3700 max lumens (about twice as bright as the Benq and Optomas), while another reviewer measured it at 3300 Lumens. None-the-less, this is one super ridiculously bright projector and should only be considered if you are dealing with a lot of ambient light in a well-lit living room, or if you are wanting to shoot a giant image. The Viewsonic is designed for max lumens and will likely not have quite as good of contrast as the Benqs or Optomas.

 

====$2000+ Category=====

Sony hw50 LCOS = You want better blacks than the Benq w7000 and a more film-like image over the Epson 5010/5020, while still maintaining a good 3D experience (better than JVC's 3d). You watch enough 3D or Sports (or you are motion critical), or maybe you do lag-sensitive gaming, and this type of usage will often overrule losing the slightly darker blacks of the JVC. With the Sony, it isn't as sharp natively as a JVC, but you do get the RC sharpening ability to enhance sharpness beyond Sony's natural sharpness capabilities. Some will say this more than makes up for it (though by using some Sony Bluray players you can potentially get RC like sharpening with a JVC now). You do NOT need CIH / Lens Memory for 2.35 format screens (wide movie format). RC sharpening does have some side effects to the image, so it should be used sparringly depending on personal preferences. The lag of the Sony is said to be around 30ms, this makes it the lowest lag of the $2000+ projectors discussed here.

Newer JVC's RS46 - x35 | RS48 - x55 | RS56 - x75 | RS66 - x95 LCOS = You value 2D movies and black levels and sharpness over and beyond the JVC's dimmer 3D and not quite as clean 3D quality. Some have said that by combining a Sony bdp-s790 Bluray Player with a JVC, you can get something very close to the RC-sharpening algorithm that comes with the Sony. Hence, get an even sharper looking image with the JVC over the Sony, since the JVC's are natively sharper. The JVC's (the Mits hc5, and the DLP - Sharp xvz-30000) are just about the only ones that provide fully motorized controls in the sub-$4,000 projector market (at least from this list). Sharpness does partly still depend on convergence, but most JVC's are excellent (Click Here to see JVC vs. Benq Sharpness). Gaming lag is not going to be as good as the Sony (JVC has 70+ ms lag). If choosing a JVC, you also should not really need an "Ambient Light" or brightest "living room" mode like some of the other PJ's have, but you care more about calibrated lumens for the darkened home theater experience. All of the JVC's from this year's models have Lens Memory for CIH/2.40 if you happen to own a CIH screen. The JVC is my personal favorite out of this list, but everyone has different needs. The lowest end of the JVC's, the RS-46 model does not come with a CMS or E-shift, but you can still calibrate gray-scale and gamma even on this mode. The RS-48 and higher models come with E-shift 2, a pseudo upscaling method that gives the illusion of a higher pixel fill and resolution. Even without these features, the RS-46 is still a very nice projector, but if you have the cash then the RS-48 and higher models are a little better.

 

Mitsubishi hc9000d / hc5 = A projector similar to the JVC line, but with Sony panels, and seems to be a little less sharp compared to the RS-45/RS-46. Like the JVC lines, it has fully motorized controls. Though I think the RS-48/4810/55/56/66 are probably a better contender vs. it due to the JVC's e-shift. One BIG advantage of the Mitsubishi hc9000d is the huge amount of lens shift, similar to the Epson LCD's. I cannot recall another LCOS projector ever having this much lens shift (though there may have been one). Also, the hc9000d seems to process the image a tad better than the lower-end JVC's. I did not get to spend any significant time in 3D, but this projector is definitely not a top contender for 3D content (near last place due to high amount of 3D crosstalk).


Panny 7000/8000 LCD = You want CIH like the JVC's but lower gaming lag (30-35ms instead of JVC's 70-80ms), and you are not as critical on 3D as other things. You are also not as OCD on the sharpness as some in here are. You may also appreciate or like the SmoothScreen tech for the more invisible pixel fill vs. the Epson (the Panny looks more LCOS like slightly), especially if you sit VERY close to the screen (say 1.1x or less screen width). The Panny doesn't have fully motorized controls like the JVC or Sharp DLP, but it is more similar to the Mits hc8000 in how it accomplishes CIH resizing. The Panasonic projectors can be a little more troublesome to calibrate than some, and LCD's also have been known to have poorer white-field uniformity (if you look at a field of snow, the very left side might be a different tint than the right side).

Epson 5010 / 6010 / 5020 / 6020 LCD = You are a fan of LCD tech, you like an image that has a lot of POP in closeups (almost shimmering), but you do not need CIH or Lens Memory. You don't mind losing some of the smoother film-look compared to LCOS or the Panny. You like having a huge range in brightness for 3D and 2D, with good 3D quality, but you are not willing to sacrifice lower black levels of the Benq w7000 just to get purist 3D. You want the absolute best 3D experience that an LCD can give, but it is still a step below the Benq and DLP 3D as far as a lack of 3D ghosting (though the Epson has VERY little ghosting until the lamps start to age, as the lamps age the ghosting increases and this is a symptom of all NON-DLP 3D projectors AFIK).. I listed the 5010 and 6010 in here as well because you can sometimes find them for about $300 to $500 cheaper than the newest models without really giving up that much, the newer ones are incremental upgrades at best.

Benq w7000 DLP = You are a 3D purist, and you strive for one of the better 3D experiences possible with the use of DLP Link (RF is however better). The Optomas now produce better 3D than the Benq however, but the Benq has more flexible placement setup with lens shift and the fact its lens shift is center-based. You also love sharpness and MIGHT do some gaming, but do not care as much about black levels or the movie experience as you do about 3D, sharpness, Sports, TV, etc... This also works great for 3D in giant screens with an HP (the Sony and Epson do as well, but the Benq is the 3D purist projector except for blacks). No lens memory or CIH rescaling for 2.35 screens. The Benq and JVC's provide the highest NATIVE sharpness of them all, especially noticeable on HTPC text or documentaries, though some might think DLP appears sharper than LCOS in video. The color on the Benq is excellent and the projector is very easy to calibrate, likely out of this list only the Sony beats the accuracy of the Benq's color, but overall it's close enough not to really matter.

 

Sharp xvz-30000 DLP = This is reviewed in the forums to be the best 3D experience possible thus far. It also has center-based lens shift (great for mid-level shelf mounting) and with overall lens shift capabilities similar to the Benq's center-mounting range, clean 3D, and with better blacks than the Benq w7000 DLP. Additionally, the sharp (like the JVC's) have fully motorized focus and zoom (focus remotely while standing at the screen). The Benq will be brighter in 3D, but the Sharp should be plenty bright in 2D to satisfy most of those with screens under 135" (or with bigger retro-gain screens). You can also ceiling mount it as well since it has a formidable amount of lens shift (but lens placement should generally remain within the screen area for best image). The Sharp does not have FI, but it does have CIH lens memory capabilities (meaning 16:9 will properly be re-sized onto a 2.35 screen but still with black bars, but at least the viewing image itself won't go outside the boundaries). The Sharp should produce a nice clean 3D image (though dimmer than many of the others). The Sharp does not have a fully functional CMS for calibration. Also, the Sharp tends to have a bit more color accuracy issue overall than most projectors in this price range, though some will not notice it that much.

 

Mitsubishi hc8000 DLP = Very clean 3D like the Benq w7000 with better blacks, but the image is not quite as sharp as the Benq w7000. Though at its most focused point it's really sharp, but the sharpness isn't quite as uniform as some DLP's tend to be. The 3D is about the same brightness as the JVC and the placement flexibility requires you mount the screen above or below, so it is not as placement flexible as the others. Since this has better blacks than some of these other DLP's, you are also going to see more RBE even though it does have a 6x color wheel mode (which will help, but it will also mute the colors a bit). Overall a nice projector with clean 3D, but some trade-offs to keep in mind. Black levels about halfway between the w7000 and Epson 5020. The Mits hc8000 can do CIH with the proper screen setup, since it has both a digital re-size/re-scale option and a way to move the pixels digitally within the 16:9 area when viewing on a 2.35 screen. Hence, the Mits doesn't have fully automated lens memory like the JVC's, but it does have a way to do it (more similar to the Panny).

 

 

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(special note: when speaking of the Epson 5010, the 5020/6010/6020 are similar and can be assumed the same traits. When speaking of the Sony hw30es, the hw50es is similar although brighter.)

 

--3D Awards--

Best Projector at 3D under $4000: Sharp xvz-30000
Runner Up: Benq w7000 (uses DLP Link instead of RF glasses, much less contrast in 3D than the sharp, but a bit brighter)


Best Low Cost 3D Image under $1500 = Benq w1070 and Optoma hd131xe (Optoma hd25e and hd25-lv models as well)

 

Brightest 3D Projector under $1000 = Viewsonic PJ7820HD

Best Black Levels in 3D under $4000 = Various JVC Models (better black but not as ghost free or bright in 3D as many others)
Runner Up's: Panasonic ae7000u/8000, Sony hw30/50, and Epson 5010/5020/6010/6020

Best 3D Gaming Projectors with Best 2D under $4000 = Sony hw50 and Benq w7000
Runner Up: Optoma hd33 (not quite as good at 2D as the above) and Panasonic ae7000 (some reported issues in this forum)
 

--2D + 3D + Gaming and Multi-Use Awards--
 

Best "Do Everything but CIH" Projector (3D, 2D, and Gaming) under $4000 = Sony hw50
Runner Up: Benq w7000 (blacks are not as good, 50ms gaming lag), Epson 5010 / 5020 (has 60+ ms gaming lag)


Best LOW COST "Do Everything but CIH" Projector (3D, 2D, and Gaming) under $2000 = Benq w7000 and Optoma hd33 DLP

Best LOW COST "Do Everything but CIH" Projector (3D, 2D, and Gaming) under $1000 = Benq w1070


 

--2D Awards--


Best 2D Image for Movies under $8,000 = JVC RS-55 LCOS with e-shift and Lens Memory (CIH ability)
Runner Ups: JVC RS-56 (e-shift 2 said to not be quite as good as e-shift1), and Sony vw95es (also has CIH)

Best 2D Image for Movies under $4000 = JVC RS-45/RS-46 LCOS with Lens Memory (CIH Ability)
Runner Ups: Sony hw30/50 and Epson 5010/5020 (neither have CIH)

Best 2D Image for Movies under $2500 = JVC HD250 (hard to find, mostly in used market)
Runner Up: Epson 5010/5020 or 8700ub

Best overall 2D Image under $2000 = Epson 5010/5020 or 8700ub, Benq w6000, and Mitsubishi hc4000
Runner Ups: Panasonic ae4000u

Best overall 2D Image with Easy Placement Flexibility under $2000: Epson 5010/5020 or 8700ub
Runner Up: Benq w6000 (not as placement flexible, but sharper)

 

Most Feature-Rich DLP under $1,500: Benq w1070 (Bright Triple Flash 3D, Lens Shift)


Best Overall 2D Image under $1000 = Benq w1070 (This is a 3D projector but also wins in 2D at this price), Optoma hd131xe / 25e

 

Best Overall 3D Image under $1000 = Optoma hd131xe / 25e / 25-lv

Runnder Ups: Benq w1070, Viewsonic PJ7820HD, and Acer h6510bd

Best overall 2D Image with Easy Placement Flexibility under $1500: Epson 8350
Runner Up: Benq w1070


Best Overall 2D Image under $1500 = Mitsubishi hc4000 and Benq w6000 / w7000
Runner Up: Epson 8350


Best 2D Image for an LCD under $1500 = Epson 8350

 

Best 2D Image under $900 = Optoma hd131xe, Viewsonic PJ7820HD, Viewsonic Pro8200


--Color Accuracy Awards (averaging between OOTB settings and post-calibrated)--
Most color accurate projectors under $5000: Sony hw30/50 (very accurate after calibration as wel) and Optoma hd8300 and Benq w7000

Most color accurate projectors under $2000: Epson 3010/8350/8700ub, and Mitsubishi hc4000
Most color accurate projectors under $1000: Benq w1070 and Mitsubishi hc3800/hc4000 and Epson 8350


--Refurb Budget Awards--
Best Low Cost Closeout or Refurb LCOS Projector: Any of the JVC B-STOCK Models
(when available - B-STOCK RS45 or RS46 / RS55 or RS 56 / RS 65 or RS 66, RS10, HD250, RS15, RS20, RS35, etc...)
Best Low Cost Closeout or Refurb LCD Projector: Epson 8700ub or Epson 5010/5020 (when available, limited QTY availability for refurbs)
Best Low Cost Closeout DLP Projectors: Used Runcos or Planars or Marantz, Benq w6000/w7000, Refurb Mitsubishi hc4000 and others...

--Best NEW PJ's on a Budget Awards--

Lowest Cost 720p 3D Projector with the Best Black Levels and Sharpest Image: Benq w710st (3D capable but requires extra add-on)

Lowest Cost 720p 3D Projectors: Acer 5360 and Optoma GT750

Lowest Cost 3D-1080p DLP Projector: Benq w1070 (w1080st, and w1400 are variants)
Lowest Cost 3D-1080p LCD Projector: Epson 3010/3020
 

Lowest Cost 1080p 2D Only Image = Viewsonic Pro8200 and Acer h6500
Runner  Up: Optoma hd20 or Mitsubishi hc3800 (if you can still find one)


--Sharpness Awards--

Sharpest Projectors of 2012: Benq Models, Runco Models, and various high-end DLP models


Sharpest Non-DLP Projectors of 2012 = JVC RS-45/55/65 and Mitsubishi hc9000d

 

Sharpest Projectors under $2500 = Benq w1070, Benq w1400/w1500, and Benq w6000/w7000/w7500
Runner Up: Mitsubishi hc4000 and JVC HD250 LCOS

 

 

--Color Wheel Awards for Low Rainbow Effect--
DLP Projector with least Rainbow Effect (RBE) under $2000: Benq w7000 (4x color wheel but runs up to 6x - adjustable in Service Menu)
DLP Projector with least Rainbow Effect (RBE) under $1000: Benq w1070 (at least 4x but rumored to be up to a 6x color wheel)

DLP Projector with least Rainbow Effect (RBE) under $800: Viewsonic Pro8200 (4x color wheel but with an extra 7th segment)

 

--Best Black Level Awards--

Best DLP Black Levels under $2000 = Any Refurbished DLP's that come with an IRIS

Best DLP Black Levels under $1,200 = Mitsubishi hc4000

Best DLP Black Levels under $1000 = Benq w1070 and Benq w710st (720p projector only), Optoma hd25/e, Optoma hd131xe

 

Best LCD Black Levels under $2500 = Epson 5010/5020/6010/6020

Best LCD Black Levels under $2000 = Epson 8700ub (if you can still find one)

Best LCD Black Levels under $1500 = Epson 8350

 

Best LCOS Black Levels under $12,000 = JVC RS-65 / RS-66 / RS-67

Best LCOS Black Levels under $8,000 = JVC RS-55 / RS-56 / RS -57

Best LCOS Black Levels under $4,000 = JVC RS-45 / RS-46

Runner Up: Sony vw95es and Sony hw30es/hw50es/hw55es


--Gaming Awards--

Best 3D Gaming Projector under $2000 = Benq w7000

 

Best 1080p for 3D Gaming and Multi-Use Projector under $1000: Benq w1070, Optoma hd131xe

 

Best Low Cost 1080p Projector for Ambient Light under $1000 = Viewsonic pj7820hd

Best NON-3D Gaming Projector with 1080p under $1500 = Mitsubishi hc3800 DLP or hc4000 DLP
Runner Up: Panasonic pt-ar100u (not as good blacks), Epson 8350 (better placement flexibility, but not quite as sharp)
 

Best NON-3D Gaming Projector with 1080p under $800 = Viewsonic Pro8200 DLP
Runner Up: Optoma hd20

 

Projector with the absolute least lag times for gaming = Optoma hd131xe / hd25e / hd25-lv, Optoma gt750 (720p only), Epson 8350, Viewsonic Pro8200
 

Runner Ups: Sony hw30/50, Panasonic 7000/8000, Optoma hd33, Optoma hd20, and Mitsubishi hc3800/hc4000, Benq w1070


 

--Light Cannon Awards--
 

Overall Budget Light Cannon Award:

Viewsonic pj7820hd

--Handles 170"+ screens without gain.

 

Best Budget 1080p Light Cannon Projector for Large Screens under $1000 = Benq w1070 and Viewsonic Pro8200 (1500+ Lumens near best mode)
--Handles 150" Screens without gain...

 

Brightest DLP @ 1080p under $1500 = Benq sh910 and Optoma th1060p (absolute light cannons). Can handle 250"+ screens without gain.

--These two projectors are actually some of the brightest two under $5000 as well. Watch out for DLP RBE if you are sensitive to it.


Brightest LCD @ 1080p for a Light Cannon Projector for VERY Large Screens under $1500 = Panasonic ar100u (2000+ Lumens near best mode)
--Handles 200"+ Screens in Dynamic Mode or Vivid Cinema...

 

 

--A few notes about LCD vs. LCOS vs. DLP--

 

LCD Pixel Fill
Even though the pixel fill on an Epson LCD is probably not be a deal breaker for most, I think for 2D (if it weren't for the Epson's exceptional 3D), most of us would still choose a JVC or Sony, at least when watching most films. That is not to say the Epson is bad in 2D, but I prefer the LCOS pixel structure to LCD. I went through a bunch of different LCD's and a couple LCOS before settling on a well-converged JVC RS-45 projector. At 1.0x seating distance, the incredibly improved pixel fill of LCOS was immediately visible over the LCD's I had. Pixel fill is not an issue with DLP either, but most DLP's do not have nearly as dark blacks until you get into much more expensive ones.

SDE
SDE is not technically an issue perse with the LCD's (Epson 5010/5020/6010/6020), but as you get pickier and pickier and have owned multiple projectors, I think it becomes more of a purist trait with veteran projector owners that have had so many different units. My eyes do adjust to the Epson pixel fill, but I cannot see how some say they cannot tell the difference from seating distance (I can easily, and my vision isn't even exactly 20/20, almost but not quite). Now I can't see the SDE like the 720p SDE LCD in the old days, but I can see a slight roughness to clouds and bright scenes in general. It is so hard for me to explain this trait, I suggest people go find any 1080p LCD in person (other than the Panny's smoothscreen) and go examine it themselves. There should be an LCD projector somewhere people can go look at (I mean major department stores and sometimes even office places usually have some even if not setup optimally, but better yet go find an HT showroom).

Sharpness
The sharpness on the JVC I have is excellent, it can rival and beat most sub-$5000 DLP's. I have yet to see a DLP that beats my JVC in textual sharpness, even though some appear slightly sharper in video probably more due to the pixel fill or natural DLP look of things. Go figure that we now have some LCOS projectors passing up many DLP's in sharpness. Sharpness is however partly an OCD thing and not necessarily something you want to obsess over. For HTPC is the biggest advantage (reading text or playing video games with fine details), but there are PLENTY of shows and movies where I cannot see the advantage unless I stare in A/B for 2 minutes.
 




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Nice job of sorting all the advantages of each projector and arranging in different price points. They should make this thread a sticky. Maybe others could add their rankings too, pros and cons. Edit/delete the commentaries like mine and just have the guys with experience with a number of projectors rate them , just like you did.

Another way to do it is have a multiple voting thing: with everybody adding their vote as to best:
under 2,000 dollar projector: then list 3 or 4 of them and person would pick one from list. Then have under it next poll: which has best 3d, etc. That could also give consensus where our forum members are at. Either way would be cool. Multiple voting in one thread listing the stuff you have.
Best projector under 1,000 3D. Best projector black levels under 1,000. etc.
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As stated by coderguy, it's a subjective, "personal award" list, and certainly subject to discussion and revision therein if determined by coderguy that it's warranted. That was I believe the OPs intent.

I'm sure it would take a very long post to explain the whys & wherefores that make up the basis of all the decision making, and that such in and of itself would be subject to considerable "discussion".

What is absolutely certain is that it was/is a considerable personal effort made to try to offer up a comprehensive evaluation of the attributes of most of today's most popular and well known Projectors, and in that, a great many will find it in the least a interesting and possibly informative read on which to start out from. However I also see it as being a source for considerable dispute among the advocates of the "slighted" projectors....with such things as a already made purchase decision being held dear to those who have already "jumped" and who might find something so defined as being a rebuttal of such decisions.

So...as to it being something anyone can or should use to make definitive decisions based on it alone....I don't think that would be best.

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Yah, it's not really meant as a decision making thread, just a place to start for people. Might give new people a good idea of what projector's are strong in certain areas. Although anyone could argue any choice, I don't think it could be argued that the projectors that won in certain areas are not strong in those areas, even if someone might place it differently.



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yeah, you made that clear in your first post. That you were bored and figured you would put down your take on all the projectors you studied and played with. Good insights. Good starting point for people looking for something in price range and features they are looking for. And you are not being paid to slant it one way or the other.
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Yah, and least half of it isn't even that subjective. The gaming projector awards get picked out for lag and sharpness. The black level thing goes by On/Off contrast, and since the Benq and Acer DLP are the only two major DLP's with a decent IRIS under $2000, I don't think anyone can argue there The light cannon awards are based on lumen output for well known models, I'm sure there are other Light Cannon models that can match in the 3k+, but those are the ones that I saw reviwed and was able to collect information on.

The only really super subjective ones are the "Best 2D Image" awards, even the best 3D awards are only semi-subjective.



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Might give new people a good idea of what projector's are strong in certain areas.

Bingo - found this extremely useful. Just coming up to speed on current offerings to upgrade from my old Panasonic 720p LCD projector. The JVC 45 and Sony HW30 look cool, and wouldn't have found them otherwise.

This shootout thread is helpful too: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1382091
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i also found this very helpful and it will help me make a decision on my first projector. thanks for posting.
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I added a few more categories, like Best Placement Flexibile Projector with Good 2d under $1500...

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I don't want to do a poll because Forum members will just vote for the projector they own, and a lot of them are inexperienced with all these proejctors. Many of these I have owned myself, and the ones that I have not, I have researched them diligently.

In the list I am sure I have overlooked some models by accident (doesn't every awards list?), but I am pretty intense about projectors and know the negatives and positives very well, and I have no reason for BIAS. I really never care what projector someone purchases as long as it is the best for the job at hand.



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Coderguy!
Yeah, I was thinking more 2 threads, the voting type and the expert type.

Maybe have 2 or 3 pro's like you, give their take on multiple units and list them as they see it.

Then sticky it! A closed Thread with just 2 or 3 Projection Specialists.

Think about it, maybe others with lots of projector experience can email you on this site and you can add their feedback after your reviews.

It probably needs to get updated every 3 or 4 months.

Therefore sticky and closed.

p.s. Even better , have just the 2 or 3 projection Specialists have a running dialogue about the pro's and con's of the different classes, so there is some interaction. Not sure it would be possible on this site. Roper and Ebert type of thing!
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I appreciate the feedback, but no need for all that trouble really as that would be "cherry picking" posts, so we just post about them when we can.



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Best 3D Movie Projector Under $20,000 = Acer H9500BD

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I had ISF calibrator Gregg Lowean at my house wednesday night to calibrate my sony vw85 projector. He did a great job with the sony. I was not used to seeing what a properly calibrated picture really looks like. After watching it for a while i can now appreciate to difference. It looks fantastic.
I was boasting to gregg how great the 3d is on my little acer 9500 so he had to see for himself. He was nice enough to do a quick calibration to the acer first. I will post the settings he came up with soon. He told me that he recently calibrated a sony vw95 for 2d and 3d as well as a panasonic 7000. First i put in a few minutes of avatar. Second i put in Imax under the sea. During the opening credits i could see him smiling but he did not say anything. I skipped to the potato cod chapter and we watched the entire chapter, Then i shut it down. I asked him how it compared to the sony vw95 that he just saw one day earlier. He said there was no comparison. He said that he was" actually kind of blown away" by this 1500 acer for 3d. He said the only other 3d he has seen that was better was a dual stack sim projector system. He said the panasonic was even less close than the sony. In fact he thought maybe the 3d was broken on the panasonic. I just thought i would let all the 9500 owners know what he thought. Of course it is no suprise to most of us.

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I would give out a best under $5000 3D image to the Acer 9500bd after I see more comparisons on it, but I'm not familiar enough with the $5000+ projectors to know for sure how it stacks up to quite go to the $20,000 category. I did give the Acer several awards though if you noticed

The awards I gave out above I actually have much knowledge about, many from first-hand testing I did myself, some of it is from other testers in here I consider experts and that I trust. We would need someone to compare the Acer to the Epson 5010 and Benq w7000 and Optoma hd8300 before the Acer 9500bd can be for sure declared the winner in 3D. Once I see someone do a non-bias comparison, then I might be ready to say that. The Benq w7000 might actually have a better IRIS after some firmware updates if they allow the IRIS in 3d.

So without those comparisons above, I cannot say one way or another.



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I think many of these are consensus based, keep in mind there are only a few that are controversial above, the Best 2d ones mainly, the other stuff is usually eliminated by obvious limitations.

Here is a list of projectors I have owned:
JVC RS45 LCOS (current)
Sony vw70 LCOS (fairly recent)
Viewsonic Pro8200 DLP (current)
Mitsubishi hd1000u DLP, hc3800 DLP, hc4000 DLP (recent)
Sanyo z5 LCD, Sanyo z4000 LCD (fairly recent)
Epson 8500ub LCD, a couple much older Epsons I owned briefly

Projectors I have recently seen or tested:
Epson 5010 (friend owns it), JVC RS-45 (I own it), Panasonic 7000, Mits hc4000 (used to own it, friend owns it still), Epson 8700ub (owned 8500ub, friend owns 8700ub), and most in the above list. The Sony's and Acer's I am going by some expert opinions (I did own a Sony vw70 though for 60 hours), most of the others I have seen them. Some of the Benq's I saw in really non-optimal conditions, but it is what it is.

One reason I made this thread was because I felt there needed to be a quick summary of projector strengths. Even if some don't agree with the list, I doubt anyone would argue that any award I gave out doesn't have some reason behind it



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I must give a big thumbs up to Coderguy for the taking the time to put this list together. This is definitely a great chart to help anyone out there who is just starting to think about purchasing a projector. I know this list took a while to type and compile and appreciate the work you are doing for the community. I am also envious of all the projectors you have recently owned. I am only on my first one, an Optoma HD33, and will now forever be part of the projector club, one upgrade at a time.
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Any opinions on the HC7800?
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Another vote for a sticky. Really great work.

A big thumbs up and thanks to members like coderguy and MississippiMan (and others) who contribute to these discussions tirelessly and with extreme knowledge!
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wow...looks like Mit and BenQ rule the under $2k market.

not so long ago, it seems Epson and Pannie were the go to projectors for under $2k.
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Seeing as you mentioned CIH in your categories, it's worth mentioning that the Epson 8350 (thanks to its long zoom and shift capabilities) can do a ghetto version of CIH which involves manually zooming/shifting. I am strongly considering upgrading my 92" 16:9 screen to a larger 2.35:1 (or thereabouts) screen to pair with my 8350. If you're the type that uses puts 5+ hours of TV watching on your projector, you may not want to deal with the hassle of zooming/shifting when switching between TV and movie content, but if you're the type that uses your projector less frequently, the 60 seconds required to zoom/shift/focus to adjust for a particular movie is not a big deal.

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Great job!
Is there a "quietest DLP", or a quietest projector for that matter?
What about Frame interpolation?
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From the DLP's I have had, the Mitsubishi hc4000 was the quietest in low lamp mode.
Not sure about high lamp mode. The Benq's and Viewsonics are much louder for sure though.



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Nice of you to take time to make a list and the calculator. Your calculator helped me make my decision last month. I'm sure this list will help many others.

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots. Me being one of them at times.

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It is also true that not all of this information was my own work. Some came from Zombie in the forums from the comparison thread he did, which was excellent work. However, more than half of this is my own work and comparisons. I will continue to get my hands on other projectors, and if my thoughts change I will update the thread.

For some reason I'm having no luck in searching for Zombie's Comparison thread mentioned above - link anyone? Just got back on this Forum today after a long absence - looking at purchasing a 3D projector to upgrade from my 2D HD20 within the next few weeks... Thanks!

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Additional comparisons by other users are on Page1 of the following thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post21393953



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Pretty awesome ! Thanks for this
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i am wondering how do i maximum room lighting?

what does it mean " recommend image brightness for room with ambient light" & "greater room light requires a brighter image?

this is with HD33 w/ 1.3 gain 100inches screen.
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It means if you do not have 100% light control such as you have some outside light coming into the room (from window or from another room). Also if you have white walls a slightly brighter projector can help.

Overall it depends on screen size, the hd33 should be plenty bright at 1.3 gain especially for 2D, mainly gain is needed for 3D use.



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I think many of these are consensus based, keep in mind there are only a few that are controversial above, the Best 2d ones mainly, the other stuff is usually eliminated by obvious limitations.

Here is a list of projectors I have owned:
JVC RS45 LCOS (current)
Sony vw70 LCOS (fairly recent)
Viewsonic Pro8200 DLP (current)
Mitsubishi hd1000u DLP, hc3800 DLP, hc4000 DLP (recent)
Sanyo z5 LCD, Sanyo z4000 LCD (fairly recent)
Epson 8500ub LCD, a couple much older Epsons I owned briefly

Projectors I have recently seen or tested:
Epson 5010 (friend owns it), JVC RS-45 (I own it), Panasonic 7000, Mits hc4000 (used to own it, friend owns it still), Epson 8700ub (owned 8500ub, friend owns 8700ub), and most in the above list. The Sony's and Acer's I am going by some expert opinions (I did own a Sony vw70 though for 60 hours), most of the others I have seen them. Some of the Benq's I saw in really non-optimal conditions, but it is what it is.

One reason I made this thread was because I felt there needed to be a quick summary of projector strengths. Even if some don't agree with the list, I doubt anyone would argue that any award I gave out doesn't have some reason behind it

Have you gotten a chance to compare the JVC RS45 against DLP with a .95" Panel? Either DC3 or DC4? I'm curious to see how you'd compare them.

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