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Itss like on the 1st picture
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ok its native is 1140x912 and its the pico chip.

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ok its native is 1140x912 and its the pico chip.

yeah, no doubt the next gen will have 1080P chip and 800-1000 lumen, the diamond shape is great fro video but sucks for computer and text, I think Im gonna wait it out and just wait until next year and see what the offerings will be:)
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thanks DJpaul, you're awesome for taking the time to post videos for us to see. I think balc levels are great based on what I see, would you say that the black levels are 100% better on the projector, or how much better?
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You are welcome wink.gif

Its about 20-30% better
There are not sooooo big difference but its better as the hw300

You are right text and computer looks not very beautiful
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Hey Guys ..

Nice to be back again , ever since the LG HW300G ratio fiasco i thought not to ever look at a LG projector again , but once more im curious about the New Series LG released.

DjPAUL many thanks for our videos, they are excellent for newbies like myself. I was wondering is it possible you could do a Video of the INTERNAL speakers in operation ? i know the LG you have has 2x3Watt Speakers , i would love ot hear them running , no other sound except for the LGs internal speakers working. I have small bedroom and no room for Speakers so i want to know if the Internal speakers are sufficent for me, need to hear its sound levels, videos of film playing and sound output from LG would be awesome.

Also could you give me idea of what size screen i would have if i had projector 2 metres away from white wall ? And Since you say this new LG isnt much of a upgrade to the LG HW300 , what do you make of the LG PB60G ? should i just opt for that over the HW300 ? this will be my first projector and im sort of torn which way to go, the LG PB60G looks alot like the unrelased Vivitek Qumi Q5 , not sure if i should wait for that, what do you guys think , LG or Vivitek ?

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I am in the same boat here. It's either one of these two, the Q5, or the Dell M110. I appreciate the videos DJPaul, they really help.
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Hey

Sry but i cant test the speakers because i sent the pa70g back
But i can say they are much better and louder as the hw300 speaker

2m you become about a 1.30/0.76 meters image on 16:9
The image is little bit smaller as the hw300
The hw300 on 2m is about 1.40/0.94 meters on 16:9

I have testet the hw300/qumi q2

And the hw300 was much better

I think a pb60g vs. qumi q5 the pb60g will WIN !

Blacklvls is better the pa60g <26db the qumi q5 <28db and these
2db are a big noisedifference



But this only my opinion because i dont tested these 2 projectors biggrin.gif

But if you have only a distance of 2m you will become a amazing image/picture
With the pa70g/pb60g
My distance is 3.8m and on these distance it was looking very god
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Do we know what material the lens is made of? Is it glass or plastic?
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Hi Djpaul

Shame i missed out on the speaker review , however i do beleive you when you say its alot better than the HW300.

Thanks for answering my queries , Im truly at a loss on what to do , not decided what is the best PJ to go for. Orignally I was set on the PA70G, However after you tested it and pointed out its not really a vast /significant improvement over the HW300 , the extra cost doesnt seem worthwhile. Suprised ( well not really) LG has messed up this LED flagship projector, it should have been miles better than the HW300 for the added cost they are demanding.

Ok onto the PB60G, I need to see this in action before i commit , im still weary of that LG Ratio fiasco on previous models , im sure its corrected with these new models, just ive got that never know feeling still...Heres hoping someone gets it ,tests it and sends it back( hint, hint to Djpaul..lol ) Valid point about the Decibles, will take it into consderation. Seen video of the Vivitek Qumi Q5 but nothing of the LG PB60G , just some french dude talking about the product , showing it but not actually demonstrating it, totally useless video review. So will have to wait for an acutal review/video of the PJ in Action.

Lastly as Ninjackn pointed out , was the lense Glass ? apperently the Vivtek Q5 is glass for better focus , was the LG one glass also ?
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Hey Guys ..
Nice to be back again , ever since the LG HW300G ratio fiasco i thought not to ever look at a LG projector again , but once more im curious about the New Series LG released.
DjPAUL many thanks for our videos, they are excellent for newbies like myself. I was wondering is it possible you could do a Video of the INTERNAL speakers in operation ? i know the LG you have has 2x3Watt Speakers , i would love ot hear them running , no other sound except for the LGs internal speakers working. I have small bedroom and no room for Speakers so i want to know if the Internal speakers are sufficent for me, need to hear its sound levels, videos of film playing and sound output from LG would be awesome.
Also could you give me idea of what size screen i would have if i had projector 2 metres away from white wall ? And Since you say this new LG isnt much of a upgrade to the LG HW300 , what do you make of the LG PB60G ? should i just opt for that over the HW300 ? this will be my first projector and im sort of torn which way to go, the LG PB60G looks alot like the unrelased Vivitek Qumi Q5 , not sure if i should wait for that, what do you guys think , LG or Vivitek ?
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I have the HW300T. I was concerned about the sound level. At first, the output seemed okay on the 1watt speakers. After playing a few movies the sound was too low. Then I realized that I was at the mercy of the sound level of the movie. So you cannot really tell if the 2x3watt speakers will satisfy your needs because you will have no control of the audio level of your source.
I have the Dell AY-410 speaker system attached to my HW300T headphone output. It is a powered desktop system. The satellite speakers should fit in the smallest bedroom. I have larger satellite speakers but I wanted a nearly invisible source of sound with my wall TV. When used with a computer (and equalized) they sound good.

I don’t know what accessories come with the PA70G but I re-read a review of the Dell M110 earlier. My HW300T projector is complete whereas the M110 requires several expensive options be purchased for the same capability.

If you search the internet you should be able to find the user’s manual (the one I listed on this forum was in German). That should provide you with information on the distance and image sizes.
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Hey Guys ..
Nice to be back again , ever since the LG HW300G ratio fiasco i thought not to ever look at a LG projector again , but once more im curious about the New Series LG released.
DjPAUL many thanks for our videos, they are excellent for newbies like myself. I was wondering is it possible you could do a Video of the INTERNAL speakers in operation ? i know the LG you have has 2x3Watt Speakers , i would love ot hear them running , no other sound except for the LGs internal speakers working. I have small bedroom and no room for Speakers so i want to know if the Internal speakers are sufficent for me, need to hear its sound levels, videos of film playing and sound output from LG would be awesome.
Also could you give me idea of what size screen i would have if i had projector 2 metres away from white wall ? And Since you say this new LG isnt much of a upgrade to the LG HW300 , what do you make of the LG PB60G ? should i just opt for that over the HW300 ? this will be my first projector and im sort of torn which way to go, the LG PB60G looks alot like the unrelased Vivitek Qumi Q5 , not sure if i should wait for that, what do you guys think , LG or Vivitek ?
Look forward to reply[/quote

hey fury, take a look at the PB601U which supposedly has a tuner built-in, Im assuming it has the same specs as this one but lower lumen, as soon as someone reviews it Im buying. also fury the 300T has no stretching issues with newer releases. one thing about your screen size question, did you notice that in one of the videos where he shows the two projectors, the projectors seem to be at the same distance from wall and the image looks to be the same size, I may be wrong
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Fury, I can second confirm that the late production (April 2012 with 3.00.21 firmware) of the HW300T has no picture stretching issue. If you can get one on sale for $400 (from one of the sales @ Frys), definitely worth it.

As far as speaker goes, I hooked up mine onto a Jawbone Jambox, small enough, yet powerful for small bedroom/space application.

BTW DJPAUL, thanks for the videos biggrin.gif
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Hey Garibay/Kenshin

Ive been following your info regarding the stretching issue, just that im based in europe and we dont have a store like 'Fry' here. Ive emailed certain reputable retailers to confirm which batch/model version they have and not a single european retailer has checked or got back to me on it. To buy ,would be total gamble and i think sales in europe have been very bad , so lots of old stock to clear and reatilers just pretend not to be aware of the stretching issue and hope no one notice when they buy it. Wish 'fry' was around in europe, as for the PB601U , this model wont reach us, we dont have built in tuners here, ASTC is american/japanese standard.

Im concerned about the size of these new mini/ultra portable Pjs, have they compromised the quality of the build for what is more or less looking like a toy now ? i like the LG HW300 look and it seems solid , but the PB60G is so small, what cuts /sacrifices have been made to the insides ? heating issues etc concern me on such a small model . DJpaul mentioned he tested the HW300 vs Qumi Q2 and he LG won, the LG was a bigger model , i think better parts used, Now LG have taken the Qumi route and im not sure if this is going to be a solid build, really need to see videos/reviews of it in action.

Waiting game is upon me , once more.

If anyone from europe knows of a retailer that has the latest batch as mentioned by Garibay/kenshin (April 2012 with 3.00.21 firmware) please tell me who , so i can email them personally and look into going for the HW300 Series.

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@Cococarbine: I tested a Dell M110 and it had a series of issues (focus, rainbow); the biggest being a weird color issue where the color white is shown as magenta when the previous frame (picture) is black. So if you go from a 100% black frame to a fade in of white text (ie. a white title on black) the white text will momentarily be rendered as magenta (for half a second or so). I can not recommend M110.
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I hope this isn't too much off topic but here is a short demo of PB60G:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQa3Ma077UM
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Im concerned about the size of these new mini/ultra portable Pjs, have they compromised the quality of the build for what is more or less looking like a toy now ? i like the LG HW300 look and it seems solid , but the PB60G is so small, what cuts /sacrifices have been made to the insides ? heating issues etc concern me on such a small model.

I do think some compromises have been made in the LED projectors offered to date, trying to cram all the components into small format sizes and keep cool/quiet with no impact to various components such as lenses. For whatever reason, the manufacturers have felt they could not sell the LED projectors unless also coupled with pico/palm sized formats. I assume the marketing guys told them they had to do this. Perhaps they think the low lums will not sell on its own, unless they can also market the portable aspect. While that may be true for some persons, I could care less if the projector is palm sized, so the situation has been frustrating.

Anyway, looking at the video link provided by nh81 (in non-English again, lol), seems like it shows the PB60G next to the PA70G? A bit disappointing that the PB60G is so small in comparison. I wonder if it will have issues with heat/sound and focus if the lens is too close to heat sources, as some other small format projectors? Time will tell. I fear it will be years before manufacturers offer a true regular sized LED projector (at a reasonable price) that doesn't try to cram everything into a small format catering to the palm sized user.
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Hey Garibay/Kenshin
Ive been following your info regarding the stretching issue, just that im based in europe and we dont have a store like 'Fry' here. Ive emailed certain reputable retailers to confirm which batch/model version they have and not a single european retailer has checked or got back to me on it. To buy ,would be total gamble and i think sales in europe have been very bad , so lots of old stock to clear and reatilers just pretend not to be aware of the stretching issue and hope no one notice when they buy it. Wish 'fry' was around in europe, as for the PB601U , this model wont reach us, we dont have built in tuners here, ASTC is american/japanese standard.
Im concerned about the size of these new mini/ultra portable Pjs, have they compromised the quality of the build for what is more or less looking like a toy now ? i like the LG HW300 look and it seems solid , but the PB60G is so small, what cuts /sacrifices have been made to the insides ? heating issues etc concern me on such a small model . DJpaul mentioned he tested the HW300 vs Qumi Q2 and he LG won, the LG was a bigger model , i think better parts used, Now LG have taken the Qumi route and im not sure if this is going to be a solid build, really need to see videos/reviews of it in action.
Waiting game is upon me , once more.
If anyone from europe knows of a retailer that has the latest batch as mentioned by Garibay/kenshin (April 2012 with 3.00.21 firmware) please tell me who , so i can email them personally and look into going for the HW300 Series.
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hey fury, the PB60G doesn't seem to be any smaller than the HW300, maybe a bit slimmer, but it's wider, I don't think they sacrificed anything, in the case of the HW300 stretching issue, any model built in 2012 has no issues, or if the serial number starts with the number (2) all the units with stretching issues have a serial number starting with (1) my local frys has the 300t for 399, well 449 but I got a raincheck for 399 last week
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@Cococarbine: I tested a Dell M110 and it had a series of issues (focus, rainbow); the biggest being a weird color issue where the color white is shown as magenta when the previous frame (picture) is black. So if you go from a 100% black frame to a fade in of white text (ie. a white title on black) the white text will momentarily be rendered as magenta (for half a second or so). I can not recommend M110.

thanks nh81 for that, I was looking at it but Im not a big fan of dell projectors, they seem to be aimed at presenters and not movie watchers, besides I need a projector with buitl-in TV tuner, so Im gonna bite the bullet and order the LG PB601U and let you guys know what it performs like compared to the HW300t, seems like adorama has a very generous return policy, so if I don't like it I can always return it.
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Hey

Thanks Nh81 for your insider info on the LGPB60. Garibay you are brave man, but im glad you are. Your review on the LG PB60 Will be instrumental to my final decision on what i should buy. Please could you do a close up inspection on the HEATING issue/Fans , how hot it gets after how long , The internal speaker what it sounds like ,etc etc. I need more info, just still not sure what way to go, even now i still think the larger LG PA70G has a better build and wont suffer from heating issues, i might go for that , that said im contacting european retailers to find out what production model they have ie April 2012 with 3.00.21 firmware or not. Still no replies from any of them.
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thanks nh81 for that, I was looking at it but Im not a big fan of dell projectors, they seem to be aimed at presenters and not movie watchers, besides I need a projector with buitl-in TV tuner, so Im gonna bite the bullet and order the LG PB601U and let you guys know what it performs like compared to the HW300t, seems like adorama has a very generous return policy, so if I don't like it I can always return it.

I will be interested to read your opinion as well on the PB601U. Personally, I am not looking for perfection. But certain things such as staying in focus and not stretching the aspect ratio, are so basic to a display device, these qualities seem essential. Otherwise, unless the projector has some new introduced flaw or sounds like a jet engine, hopefully it will be a good option for purchase.
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I will be interested to read your opinion as well on the PB601U. Personally, I am not looking for perfection. But certain things such as staying in focus and not stretching the aspect ratio, are so basic to a display device, these qualities seem essential. Otherwise, unless the projector has some new introduced flaw or sounds like a jet engine, hopefully it will be a good option for purchase.

I juat placed the order for the PB601U, will let you guys know when I get it and again see how it compares to my hw300t. what I figured out about the focusing issue was that if you focus the projector when is warm and just leave it alone, it will be slightly out of focus for the first 3 or so minutes then focus will be perfect. if you keep adjusting every time you turn on, you're wasting your time and getting frustrated. what I'll be looking for on the PB601U will be better contrast, and throw ratio, brightness it's not an issue but it's a bonus. the fan noise on the 300t is not an issue to me since I use in eco mode anyway. will keep you'll posted
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I have LG PA70G at home from yesterday. Its my first projector ever. Any questions? I am very happy with it!
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If you can pls post a video comparing the fan noise level on low, normal & high brightness and also a close up of the pixels. Where did you buy it and how long is the shipping? thanks
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Hi Honzik1

Could yuo do a video of the speakers in operation ? i hear the LG PA70G has 2x3 watt sound,would be great to see video of them in action.
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I will try to take some video with my camera. Fan noise isnt so loud in medium and maximum power saving mode. Minimun power saving mode is a bit loud but its not louder than a PC or laptop fan when you play games on it.

I have bought it on the cyberport.de Delivery took 5.7. 2012 - 9.7. 2012 by DHL to the Czech Republic

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I will record something for you. My father own the Samsung NX10 camera, well its not very good for the video records but I will try. Soud quality of the projector is good but I think that audio performance is adequate for watching movies on laptops. This large screen size needs adequate good sound system like 2.1 or 5.1 for a cinema effect. But for the traveling I think it is good enough and you dont need pack an external portable speakers on your vacation.
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HI Honzik1

Thanks for reply , look forward to the videos of the sound in operation. The reason why its important is that i have small bedroom and im a minimalist, I just want the projector and no external speakers in room , keep things simple as possible. Totally agree with about the 2.1 /5.1 sound system , however this is mainly for documentaries/Tutorial videos and i dont think i will need such sound for the moment, later on who knows..

Please could you also check the heating element of this PJ, how hot does it get after say a solid 5-7 hours use ? lastly the plug it comes with , does a UK adaptor come with the projector ? we have 3 pin plugs. Right now im not sure which Pj to go for, i like the PA70G and then again i like the PB60G , so really your videos/review will help.
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