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On one of the old Acer K330 Led projector threads where we were talking about the heating problems and the the focus problems with the heating problem I wondered if the guts of the Acer K330 projector, the LEDS, cooling heat sinks, the power supply would fit into a old bulb based projector where you would plenty of room for the projector to breath.
One day I looked at the parts of the INFOCUS X2 projector on Ebay and wondered if it can be retro fitted on these LED projectors ?
Would the physics of these lens of the older projectors work with these DLP LED projectors ?
To bad these LG PA70 G projectors are relatively new since there are no used parts for these projectors either on Ebay or the internet to buy and experiment with.
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If your going to get parts from a old projector and build a Frankenstein / hacked LG PA70 G projector just make sure it can make and serve you coffee and donuts.
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I know one thing ?
These guys for the other countries can agree that around the world there is one common language here on AVS forums ? we like cool electronics and cool DLP projectors.

Right Pawel Dubiel ? Bony ? no matter what country all of us live, we love cool electronics and cool DLP projectors.
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A experiment someone can do if they have a old bulb based projector with a zoom lens that is large enough to fix this LG PA70 G projector inside it and of course with plenty of cooling fans and try to see if they can adjust it to try to use the zoom and extend the focus range of the LG PA70 G .
I wonder if this could be done if the LA PA70 G could fix inside a older larger projector ?
I have seen adaptable lens that you can buy where you can either adapt it onto the existing lens or place it in front of the existing lens to give you a much larger range in focus and zoom abilities.

Call it the projector inside another projector carcase hack.

Of course you would have to make sure the lens line up and there is plenty of venting for the hot air to get out with cooling fans.
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Wiem ze google tłumacz nie jest idealem i to co pisze jest zabawne ale czasem napisanie czegos trwalo by kilka godzin gdybym musial tlumaczyc slowo po slowie ja znam jezyk wloski ale to tez na nic sie zda smile.gif

chyba trzeba bedzie przejsc do archaicznego pisma obrazkowego biggrin.gif ktury jest bardzo dobrze znany i rozumiany np w instrukcjach.
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ja moge wklejac tez orginal w jezuku polskim smile.gif jesli uzyjecie jakiegos lepszego programu do tlumaczenia. Bądz tlumaczyc z mojego jezyka na wasz np czeski slowacki czy kazdy inny za pomoca google.

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I know that google translator is not ideal and what he writes is funny but sometimes write something that lasted a couple of hours if I had to translate word for word I know the Italian language but also for nothing ever passes smile.gif

I think we will have to go to the archaic picture writing: D specialist factory is very well known and understood for example in the instructions.
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I also I can paste into orginal in the language Polish smile.gif if you use some program to translate better. Be translate from my language to yours, eg Czech and Slovak each other via google.

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3DTV Play only works with HDMI 1.4 compatible 3D HDTVs/Projectors via frame packing. Recently checkerboard was added as a supported format in 3DTV Play. Frame Sequential is supported via 3D Vision, but you will need an Nvidia emitter to enable it. Also you'll need to use the EDID from a 3D Vision supported projector for an override, since the PA70G in unsupported.
It is irrelevant thing HDMI 1.4 compatible 3D HDTVs/Projectors via frame packing" because HDMI 1.4 3D DLP Link projectors/TVs have built in 3D converter, information of checkerboard refreshment is also unimportant in this case, given advice to spend money for another overpriced stuff from Nvidia or other company and become a branded and brain washed humanoid, it is also not a correct way.

Seriously man, this kind of knowledge and mentality it's a brand hanging and conditional viewpoint. We are here to free peoples' mind from these companies, and give a real and cheapest solution. Sitting home with an overpriced branded equipment, and enjoying the life without suffering and effort for real knowledge or solution it's not a correct way. You should learn more to avoid misleading the peoples and give a real working solution for 3D, what tataniko did it months ago.

Welcome @Javier Barcelo, at the moment, many companies like Nvidia, Amd, Viewsonic, Optoma, Apple, Sony, etc. want to become a brain washed and brand hanging 3D people and always offer their different overpriced 3D solutions for you. This kind of companies' mentality comes origin from Mordor, and many trolls (it was humanoid before) follow them and post frequently their overpriced and branded solutions. Try to avoid them. But there was a good independent project to avoid darkness of these companies, named iZ3D, but this project finally failed, because too many trolls exist in this world, we lost the war and left alone here. So seriously, we are waiting iZ3D source code, this is our last hope, until iZ3D is one of the best free solution to play 3D at the moment (anaglyph), but with some registry hack, it can be good for frame sequential too.

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If anybody can share latest and unsupported iZ3D registry hack for us, that will be a big helping. Thanks.
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I was wondering what your thoughts are about something like this. It would be a stand alone device that converts 3D to our 3d devices. What have you found out in research.
I would be interested in whether you think it would work for our PJ.
http://www.amazon.com/Arrival-KDLINKS-HD700-Extreme-Built-In/dp/B008CBQSKU/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_t_1

What you are saying is, some people are trying to figure out a way to get 3D to work without being tied to companies that make devices/software that ties us to that company. A little like linux does, it frees us by having the community make free OS, and put pressure on MS and other companies from charging too much for their OS. You are saying, people are trying to do the same thing, for 3D, make it FREE. Am I close, to what you are saying?

update:
Look at this guys, LG is coming out with 100 inch Laser TV. It will use a PJ that is only 22 inchs from screen to get that 100 inch image.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/lg-100-inch-vertical-projector/

Now, I wouldn't be thinking of returning/or selling your LG70G's. Because it's gonna be many times more expensive. But Laser seems to be something CES2013 will be showcasing. And LG seems to be leading the way.
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Place for the tuner TV



This is main tuner TV smile.gif





This is place for LDO stabilizer 1,8V


It needs information which elements are necessary HERE


I think that I could risk it and use the same elements as in A place, but it's better to find service manual of PA70G or better PA75G

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I was wondering what your thoughts are about something like this. It would be a stand alone device that converts 3D to our 3d devices. What have you found out in research. I would be interested in whether you think it would work for our PJ. http://www.amazon.com/Arrival-KDLINKS-HD700-Extreme-Built-In/dp/B008CBQSKU/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_t_1 What you are saying is, some people are trying to figure out a way to get 3D to work without being tied to companies that make devices/software that ties us to that company. A little like linux does, it frees us by having the community make free OS, and put pressure on MS and other companies from charging too much for their OS. You are saying, people are trying to do the same thing, for 3D, make it FREE. Am I close, to what you are saying?
Yes, you understood absolutely, the main problem is the dependency. We are human and normally we don't like to eat everything, and don't want to buy everything, we have ability to choose, but it's always depending our individual's intellectual level.

Socrates spent lot of time in Athens's marketplace in ancient time, but did not buy anything, and was always happy. Asked him, why so happy here without any buying? He said, because I am always wondering so many things here, what I don't need.

20 years ago I was in that marketplace when he spoke out these thoughts, and I was thinking about his words, and I have to say, he had right, because if your mind fulfilled with wisdom and real knowledge, you don't need those toys anymore.

I checked the linked amazon page, it a simple 3D capable media player. Those are frequently Sigma, Realtek or Arm based solutions, I have PC so I don't need these kind of media players, but there are some cheap 3D converters such V3D-II or V3D-P between 100-150 USD, theoretically it can makes similar or better job than overpriced Viewsonic/Optoma duo, probably worth to try.
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I will follow the advice of Socrates and look at the tech gadgets on 3d devices and NOT buy! smile.gif
I have so many pc's around the house, and ion tiny ones, surely I will use those instead of getting a 150-200 dollar device just for playing 3D converted stuff. (good point, Wise ONE. smile.gif )
I'll stick with just getting the PC to play my 3D stuff, and the settings the guys that got it working share with the rest of us.
My PC on a stick should be coming next week, so I will be able to share my experience with it with you guys, and let you know, if we get a web-browser and wifi added to the PA70G to add to the tiny cool aspect of the PA70G!
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I will follow the advice of Socrates and look at the tech gadgets on 3d devices and NOT buy! smile.gif

You are wonderful, really. I have also many PCs, smart phones, Toyota Prius, and many high end devices. I know deeply and very well my stuffs, example I can successfully service and control my car via PC, but when I bought a computerized embroidery sewing machine which is containing approximately several thousand parts, such servos, motors, gears, motherboard, etc, I understood deeply how are simple garbage and overpriced only several parts contained toys, such mobile phones, PCs, consoles, media players, etc.

At last, only the spaceship remained from wish list to me, so I need a spaceship, nothing more. Unfortunately, I have to start myself to build one, but at the moment I have not enough knowledge alone for this project, that's why I am looking for partners everywhere for progress.
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Is a grey screen best for this projector? (40 to 50 inches max)

Multi-Projector Edge-Blending & Geometry correction for games and simulations.
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Is a grey screen best for this projector? (40 to 50 inches max)

gee, that would be 4 feet-5 feet from screen. I'm thinking for MYSELF 80-100 inches makes sense, I think 40-50inch screen size as hdtv territory. Why are you thinking 40-50 inch screen? Maybe for during the day, with lights on, 40/50 inch grey screen would work great (is that what you were thinking?) . I have a few 42 inch hdtv's so 40-50 inch PJ image would not look as good as my hdtv? But looking at 80-100 inch screen PJ in the dark seems more awesome than my tiny 42 inch hdtv, if that makes sense. biggrin.gif
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gee, that would be 4 feet-5 feet from screen. I'm thinking for MYSELF 80-100 inches makes sense, I think 40-50inch screen size as hdtv territory. Why are you thinking 40-50 inch screen? Maybe for during the day, with lights on, 40/50 inch grey screen would work great (is that what you were thinking?) . I have a few 42 inch hdtv's so 40-50 inch PJ image would not look as good as my hdtv? But looking at 80-100 inch screen PJ in the dark seems more awesome than my tiny 42 inch hdtv, if that makes sense. biggrin.gif
Yeah this isn't really for anything other than something to mess around with, My server is connected to it, that's about it. I'm just going to get a small portable screen that I can move around, but I wasn't sure if a grey screen suits this projector better than a white screen.

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Yeah this isn't really for anything other than something to mess around with, My server is connected to it, that's about it. I'm just going to get a small portable screen that I can move around, but I wasn't sure if a grey screen suits this projector better than a white screen.

Oh, that makes sense. Many times I find myself using the PA70G just for playing audio books as I'm surfing on my 42 inch hdtv during the day. In that case, not even sure you need a screen, any wall. I would recommend maybe looking on amazon and what options you got. I have 2 screens, I have the epson dual 80 inch screen with tripod, it's rated usually number 1 out of the top100. I got it used, and it's portable and packs away in very small package. good for business use and maybe something like you are looking for. I'm thinking if you are going to get a screen make it bigger than 40-50 inchs, and even with something like the epson dual 80, you have option of going bigger if you wanted too. I have a second screen that I use mostly that is about 100 inch widescreen , I picked up for 40 dollars on amazon that also comes with tripod. So just one of your uses would be for your server, but, bro THINK BIGGER and give this tech marvel a bigger screen and let it play BIG.
I love this toy, I project it on all types of walls, even bathroom walls. smile.gif
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It is irrelevant thing HDMI 1.4 compatible 3D HDTVs/Projectors via frame packing" because HDMI 1.4 3D DLP Link projectors/TVs have built in 3D converter, information of checkerboard refreshment is also unimportant in this case, given advice to spend money for another overpriced stuff from Nvidia or other company and become a branded and brain washed humanoid, it is also not a correct way.
Seriously man, this kind of knowledge and mentality it's a brand hanging and conditional viewpoint. We are here to free peoples' mind from these companies, and give a real and cheapest solution. Sitting home with an overpriced branded equipment, and enjoying the life without suffering and effort for real knowledge or solution it's not a correct way. You should learn more to avoid misleading the peoples and give a real working solution for 3D, what tataniko did it months ago.
Welcome @Javier Barcelo, at the moment, many companies like Nvidia, Amd, Viewsonic, Optoma, Apple, Sony, etc. want to become a brain washed and brand hanging 3D people and always offer their different overpriced 3D solutions for you. This kind of companies' mentality comes origin from Mordor, and many trolls (it was humanoid before) follow them and post frequently their overpriced and branded solutions. Try to avoid them. But there was a good independent project to avoid darkness of these companies, named iZ3D, but this project finally failed, because too many trolls exist in this world, we lost the war and left alone here. So seriously, we are waiting iZ3D source code, this is our last hope, until iZ3D is one of the best free solution to play 3D at the moment (anaglyph), but with some registry hack, it can be good for frame sequential too.
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If anybody can share latest and unsupported iZ3D registry hack for us, that will be a big helping. Thanks.

Irrelevent?

The user I responded to was trying to get the projector to work with Nvidias 3DTV Play. FOR STEREOSCOPIC GAMING

You've never used Nvidia 3DTV play and you do not have an Nvidia GPU, so STFU

You Sir, are an IDIOT!!

Buy TriDef instead of begging for a hacked version of iz3d, you freeloader.

I'll bet you pirated all of your 3D files via bit torrents.
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tatinko says "You should learn more to avoid misleading the peoples and give a real working solution for 3D, what tataniko did it months ago."

For one thing, ripping a 3D blu-ray to a hard drive or downloading a stereoscopic file via bit torrent and then playing it back via Stereoscopic player or some similar means, is nothing new. People have been doing it for years. Next thing you'll tell us, is that you invented the wheel.

Also according to you, posters asking about viable solutions without using a PC are idiots.

Same with people that want to buy and pay for viable PC options such as TriDef or Nvidias 3D Vision/3DTV Play, all of which are very functional when paired correctly with the appropriate hardware.

You know it's pathetic the way you keep thumping your chest like you are the end all authority on stereoscopic 3D

We both know that you never achieved a working 1280x720@120Hz resolution until last month, before that time you kept telling everyone that it would not work even though others were posting that it would.
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deleted ( I don't want to step in between you 2 guys coming to an understanding.) (me backing away very quietly, tip-toeing, and hoping the laser guns are not directed at me accidently). You guys I guess have history. sorry for intruding. )eek.gif
hahaha, you mean led gun with 3D and special glasses, I'd like one.

@Rugrass I am very sorry your upset and bother your mind. You are more clever than tataniko, he is an idiot, you are right, he does not know nothing about 3D, he is a thief and only made a lot of spams here. But please let me ask a question: why do you bother yourself? Because it's tataniko ? tataniko is nothing, he can not speak or read well even English, so why do you hurt yourself?
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Lol, no history between us. It's just that I read each thread page by page before settling on the PLED-W500, mainly due to it out of the box functionality with the VP3D1. I would have bought a PA70g, if it had been out at the time, since it has more lumens and better color control via it's menu. But the thing is I've read his posts in the other forums, he repeatedly stated 1280x720@120Hz was blurry and unwatchable. Even though others were achieving it. If I had relied on his information, I'd still be waiting to purchase a LED projector. The guy just posts a lot of things that are his personal experiences and failures as fact. As well as erroneus things like saying DLP Link is a format. Pretty soon he'll have people thinking there are IR, RF and Bluetooth 3D formats.

I game a lot in 2D at 1920x1200@30Hz and 3D at 1280x720@120Hz via HDMI on the PLED-W500. I've got over 2000 hours on it without a problem. I've used Nvidia 3DTV Play + 3D Vision as well as AMDs radeon with Tri-Def. tatinko has used non of these. But for him to badmouth them and spew the non-truths is highly disturbing, especially since he doesn't game in 3D.
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Lol, no history between us. But for him to badmouth them and spew the non-truths is highly disturbing, especially since he doesn't game in 3D.
tataniko is your best friend dear Rugrash, and he is always playing 3D cooperative games with his friend. So thank you very much for this cooperative 3D game,I enjoyed very well.

Dear rgtaa, E.T loves you.

But work up, we have 3 problems before spaceship:
1. Tuner or/and Wifi installation (LG PA70G conversion to LG PA75G)
2. 3D 720p via HDMI.
3. Focus issue easy fixing.
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It sounds like there are a few ways to get 3D working on the pa70G.

So how about we just share what works, and not come down on other ways that other people have got it to work.

I am interested myself if the different ways to get it to work. 3d gaming and as to equipment needed.

Let's have tataniko's way, and Rugrass's way, and other people share their way, and not come down on other ways if they got it working. Sounds fair. Because I'm very interested in different ways to do it. I posted the link to the media center way, yesterday and today. I want to know if it works, but I may not go that route, but some might want to go that route if it works. But if it doesn't, I would like to know that too.

p.s. I agree with priorities, let's take care of those 3 options first, then we can help build the spaceship. biggrin.gif

I'm hoping if we can get a working pc on a stick that has good wifi and linux working, and then use network tv tuner. I'm nervous about soldering stuff onto the motherboard of the 70g, myself, and screwing up my 2 year warranty.
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To see anything in 3D via HDMI, you need to have a computer or media player with HDMI 1.4, I have zepto Mythos A15 laptop that does not have HDMI version 1.4 only 1.2.
So none stereoscopic player program and will not be able to send the 3D image PA70G because it is not physically possible.
I'm going to either buy 3DS4600 PHONIC player, or tablet 10 "with HDMI 1.4 and dual core GPU Mail400x2 who is able to send via HDMI stereoscopic image.
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at least according to the pa70g manual it works in 3D on both hdmi and vga.

hdmi and vga with signal xga 1024x768 120hz (frame sequential/frame alternative)

Now tataniko gave us the file that allowed us to use many more vga formats, I would think the same could be done for hdmi. We might not have found the way, so maybe we keep experimenting.

Since it's not in manual we can do 720p for vga and we can, thanks to the zip file posted. Maybe 3 or 4 guys can comb the web to see if there are codes to get hdmi to work at 720p too. I'm sure it's been tried, but what is the harm in trying again, especially if someone stumbles on way to do it.

The pa70g is only 1.3 hdmi, so , we should be able to do it on most PC's.
Read the chapter in manual on 3D. It gives the programs that work with it and pc specs.
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Well I for one am honestly getting tired of the poorly translated posts, it's no fault of the foreign members but it is very distracting and difficult to follow the poorly translated conversations that now seem to drag this thread down.

I would not go to a foreign website and post knowing that the posts would likely not be properly translated, what would be the point? Surely there are foreign AV forums that are in these posters native language(s) which would make it easier for them and us.

Again I say this is no fault of the foreign members (it's the poor translation tools) but this is a North American AV forum and as such it is about 99% english, I have not read another thread on AVS, over the term of my membership, that has been as hard to follow.

It's obvious to me this goes both ways and often times our english is misunderstood (poorly translated) as well so I have to ask why continue to drag this thread down with so much 'lost in translation' information?

The arguing between translated posts is almost comical at times but simply not needed and does nothing to help our community.

I mean no offense to our foreign brothers as this has nothing to do with what country you are from, I am married to a beautiful Hungarian woman and my Grandparents were from Norway, it's just some applied logic. wink.gif

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at least according to the pa70g manual it works in 3D on both hdmi and vga.
hdmi and vga with signal xga 1024x768 120hz (frame sequential/frame alternative)
Now tataniko gave us the file that allowed us to use many more vga formats, I would think the same could be done for hdmi. We might not have found the way, so maybe we keep experimenting.
Since it's not in manual we can do 720p for vga and we can, thanks to the zip file posted. Maybe 3 or 4 guys can comb the web to see if there are codes to get hdmi to work at 720p too. I'm sure it's been tried, but what is the harm in trying again, especially if someone stumbles on way to do it.
The pa70g is only 1.3 hdmi, so , we should be able to do it on most PC's.
Read the chapter in manual on 3D. It gives the programs that work with it and pc specs.

I can run my pc at 1280x720p@120hz without any monitor.inf file addition via TriDef but the PA70G still reports it as 1024x768@120hz. wink.gif

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