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post #1 of 17 Old 05-24-2012, 04:09 AM - Thread Starter
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Hi people,

I'm wondering if anyone can help me out? I'm a noob when it comes to projectors and screens, I was thinking(hoping) 120" screen(price for a mid range one I'm not sure of..are these any good.. and what would I be missing out on compared to a decent screen http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Electric-...item3f09a179f3, I really want a 16:9 screen though as i wont be viewing much at all, if anything, in 4:3 ), in regards to projectors I was looking at the Sony VPL-HW30AES for around 3K'ish, seems to be good all rounder for that price range, gaming(wont be doing much of that on my HTPC I have a dedicated gaming PC to do all that on), 3d(dont like 3d much I find its all crap(on my samsung plasma and even on PC) compared to the cinemas and not worth my time.

This is just for my lounge room, and my HTPC will be the main source of video and yes I want 1080P, I'm an electrician by trade so I can sort out all the wiring myself, but I know very little about projectors and screens apart from it's going in my lounge room lol and will prob get around 4-10rs a week usage(60" will be run instead most of the time)and pretty much all of that usage will be at night with the lights out of course. I'm in no way worried about a dedicated cinema room at this stage, I basically just want a good picture for no more than 4k(I'm 20% deaf lol, and already have an amp and speakers), oh I'm from Australia too.

I guess my main questions in reagrds to whats mentioned above is; would that Sony projector(1300 Lumens) be suffice for a lounge room with white walls. I like what I've read about that projector and what I've seen on youtube/other reviews etc, but as I've said I'm a noob and I'm worried that I'll be needing something around the 2000-2500 lumens for the odd day time viewing(with curtains shut of course) and the fact it's not a dedicated theatre room having white walls and all etc, and if I go for another model around the same price with more lumens would I be sacrificing contrast and picture quality, if not throw some brands/model numbers at me pls, I've been turned of JVC's due to some issues others have spoken of. In terms of throw distance(distance form screen to mount PJ on ceiling) and best screen size I have no clues in this department, room is around 18'(PJ will be pointing down this direction) x 13'.

Oh and the screen, it has to be something that can be pulled up out of the way(not fixed), I'm not fussy really but I do like the idea of a remote for the screen but it's not a must, anyway you get the drift, I have not many clues on the subject and you probably do hehe.

Any advice would be appreciated, I'm looking to buy in around a few weeks time, pls dont tell me to wait, it aint gonna happen, if I regret it I'll ugrade sooner rather than later.
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Main points I came away with:

120" 16:9 screen
Non 3D
Some gaming
No more than $4000
Non-dedicated viewing room
Lounge with white walls
Some daytime viewing
Bright 2000-2500 lumens

Suggestion:
Panasonic PT-AR100U (not 3D)
1080p
Contrast ratio 50,000:1
Throw range 11'7" to 23' 6" (120" screen)
Bright mode 2800 lumens
Around $1600 (Australia)

http://www.electronicbazaar.com.au/p...projector.html

Or find a different dealer.

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Hi people,
but as I've said I'm a noob and I'm worried that I'll be needing something around the 2000-2500 lumens for the odd day time viewing(with curtains shut of course) and the fact it's not a dedicated theatre room having white walls and all etc, and if I go for another model around the same price with more lumens would I be sacrificing contrast and picture quality,

Yes, as projectors get brighter in the same or lesser price ranges, they do not have as much contrast in general, although there are a few exceptions. I would just curtain the white walls and the window and get you a Da-Lite High Power 2.4 gain screen to go with the PJ, and then get the Sony hw30 or a JVC RS-45. The Panny ar100u is an ok projector, but it's not going to give you the same film-like image as far as contrast and fluidity of the Sony or JVC.

Regarding 3D, the Sony hw30 should do 3D as good or better than many of the theaters (or really close), it is better at 3D than most TV's.


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what are looking to really spend? you can many good 720p projectors for under $1000. and honestly 1080p on projectors aren't a huge upgrade unless your getting a massive $6000 plus unit. 720p is just as good as 1080p if your lighting is proper. at 2PM in the afternoon my image looks amazing because i bought blackout curtains for my windows and there's no light coming in what so ever.
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What makes 1080p projectors better depends on the usage of the projector, but mainly it is the fact that most projectors with higher contrast are 1080p projectors. 1080p makes a bigger difference on an LCD than it does on a DLP, because the pixel fill of 1080p on an LCD is much higher with less SDE, but a DLP even though has some SDE at 720p, will have much less than an old LCD.

Sure a cheaper projector can produce a nice image as well, but he did say he was looking to spend up to $4000.


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well for example. i am ordering the Optoma ml500 and the Epson 710HD(705 remake). and there both 720p and the Epson is gorgeous. and the ml500 is gorgeous as well for being a led 30,000 hour model. plus people who are new to projectors don't realize that a model like the 710HD looks even more gorgeous if 1. you have no light coming through the windows during the day(my room is pitch dark at 2PM in the afternoon) and 2. if you have a proper screen or proper homemade screen. movie goo. behr silver screen etc.
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What makes 1080p projectors better depends on the usage of the projector, but mainly it is the fact that most projectors with higher contrast are 1080p projectors. 1080p makes a bigger difference on an LCD than it does on a DLP, because the pixel fill of 1080p on an LCD is much higher with less SDE, but a DLP even though has some SDE at 720p, will have much less than an old LCD.

Sure a cheaper projector can produce a nice image as well, but he did say he was looking to spend up to $4000.

so 720p with dlp is ok. can you reccomend one under $500.00 for a starter
with no money. Thanks
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I own an Acer H5350 720p DLP projector. I wanted to upgrade and ordered an Acer H7531 1080p DLP projector. It did not display the fonts of my HTPC sharply. I send it back and tried the Optoma HD33 1080 projector. The projector was better than my H5350, but only a little bit. It was not a huge advantage, but the HD33 is comparable big and no longer portable. That is a serious disadvantage for me. So I am still using my old projector.

Can anybody give an advice for a good portable projector that is significantly better than my old H5350? Nice additional features would be: larger zoom range and lense shift.
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under 500? no. um the acer h5360 is only $520 on best buy.com. walmart.com newegg.com etc. and the bulbs are only $200 when they need to be replaced. Youtube the acer h5360. it's a great great model for dirt cheap.
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No, not under $500. It should be significantly better (and still portable). That is my main concern. The price should be reasonable. Otherwise I would not ask and buy a F21.
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did i reply to you? if i did oops. i clicked quad 4.0. for you though. portable? for what? taking to friends house? etc. then try the Optoma GT750E. its a game time projector. its great for movies to but its labeled game time because it has a short throw ratio. you get a 100 inch screen at about 5.5 feet and at 10 feet you get 190 inch's. it's portable because it comes with a backpack for it and the short throw for smaller rooms or larger rooms. and it's only $750. there are some youtube videos of it. here's some. the second one is the gt750. which is the older version. basically the same thing. less lumens.

http://youtu.be/kJRSQHp0qNM

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so 720p with dlp is ok. can you reccomend one under $500.00 for a starter
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The main thing to watch out for with 720p DLP projectors is the 3x color wheel. With a 3x color wheel, quite a few people might be bothered by the rainbow effect. If your not RBE sensitive, then no worries.

With a budget of $500, the Acer h5360 is on sale right now from the Egg. You might also want to look at the used and refurb market (mostly refurb since comes with a warranty), as you may find a 1080p projector or a better 720p. If buying new, then the Acer 5360 or the Optoma DLP's or any of the Benq DLP's if you can find a deal. You can get the Acer under $500 from some places if it is on sale. From the starter 720p DLP projectors, the Benq w710st is the best one but it is more than $500 (but I suspect if you catch it on a sale or wait you can get it for 550-600). Seems like right now mostly just the Acer 5360's.

If you don't want 3D and would still consider 1080p, well there are some Viewsonic Pro8200 refurbs floating around for $600 on Ebay. If you aren't buying the PJ right now and would consider used, I may sell my Viewsonic Pro8200 for $450ish because I might be buying the Optoma hd33. I haven't decided yet though if I am selling it.


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portable? for what?

To take with me to our summer home, to presentations at customers, to the hotel and so on. Currently I am using the Acer H5350 for this purpose. I am asking if a projector exists with a significantly better picture quality for this purpose (preferred full HD). I am not a gamer. No short throw.
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well that optoma has a more lumens for a brighter picture but business projectors really don't go that high is quality. i don't know much about those type of models. so basically you need a projector that's good for rooms with lighting every where? they you need a high lumen model. here's one with 4000 lumens for around $900.

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/j...seBVCookie=yes
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The 2000 lumens of my Acer H5350 are enough. I need a better picture, full HD and it should still be portable.
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whats your price range? the epson 8700UB is full HD with a really high contrast ratio for a better picture but it's $2000. there's also the epson 3010 which is $1600. both are full 1080p.
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The price is not a problem. But the Epson is not portable. The projector together with my portable workstation must not be too big and too heavy to be transported in a trolley as cabin luggage.
This would be a perfect projector for me:
http://www.projectiondesign.com/products/f21-series
But unfortunately it has a 5 digit price tag.
It seams to me, that I have only the choice between dirty cheap projectors (like the Acer H6500) and a professional device. Are there no middle class portable projectors with full hd? A crossover projector that can be used for work at day time and to watch a movie in the evening?
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