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I had an old infocus 4805 that went bad a few years ago and my room has sat with no activity. Well I recently bought an EPSON 8350 for $1099 and upgraded my receiver and i shot it on a 5 year old painted wall. The wall was painted with some so-called movie paint but it served us well. The guy putting my room together is a specialist in the field and says I should get a Dragonfly Matte White Film Screen with a Black Velvet Frame. He says the picture will be amazing.

I'm looking at it on my old painted wall and it looks great to me now...is it worth the extra money (He Says $600.) Will I really see a better picture? H claims the black levels will improve but I thought the gray paint would help the black levels? Any advice for me?

Room is 11x11 dark walls, light controlled , white 10 foot ceilings It is dark in the room!

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How big is your screen going to be?

I think the screen is more likely to improve sharpness and bright scene contrast, than it is to improve dark scenes, but it depends on the paint your comparing it against (don't know much about HT paints).

It won't affect black levels that much because the Epson 8350 doesn't have a real low black floor or as much intrascene contrast in mixed dark images as the higher-end PJ's. The 8350 is a good projector overall, but if you were looking for darker blacks in a room with decent light control, then the projector matters first and the room matters second, and the screen matters a VERY distant third. If you already have the room darkened, then the projector's contrast capability is the main thing that matters to get better black levels.

If the gray paint is doing its job, then the intrascene contrast on the gray paint might be higher due to light rejection, but I'm guessing your gray paint is negative gain (negative gain by itself doesn't technically improve black levels, it just makes the entire picture darker). However anti-reflective coatings on a true gray screen can improve the intrascene contrast in both bright and dark scenes to some degree depending on how imperfect of a room you are dealing with.

You may be better off with a Da-Lite HP screen since the 8350's best mode isn't that bright (the brighter modes on the 8350 are more inaccurate). Although the HP screen is probably too bright given you will be using a small screen (but I love having spare brightness, too bright is far better than too dark IMO).


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84 inch diaginal. I swear it looks great on the wall...I hope it looks better on the screen!!
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I had an old infocus 4805 that went bad a few years ago and my room has sat with no activity. Well I recently bought an EPSON 8350 for $1099 and upgraded my receiver and i shot it on a 5 year old painted wall. The wall was painted with some so-called movie paint but it served us well. The guy putting my room together is a specialist in the field and says I should get a Dragonfly Matte White Film Screen with a Black Velvet Frame. He says the picture will be amazing.
I'm looking at it on my old painted wall and it looks great to me now...is it worth the extra money (He Says $600.) Will I really see a better picture? H claims the black levels will improve but I thought the gray paint would help the black levels? Any advice for me?
Room is 11x11 dark walls, light controlled , white 10 foot ceilings It is dark in the room!
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I have purchased an Epson 8350 on Monday and could not be happier. I display it about 96 - 100 inches diagonally, with full zoom and sharpness; all displayed on my ivory painted drywall (semi-gloss), and I sit 6.5 feet away.

Watching 1080p content, with a video bitrate of over 10 Mbps, I see no artifacts, jaggies, etc. (This is from 2 feet away when I pause it to do a quick lookover for my review I had posted here). Amazing sharpness, excellent contrast, and great detail. I can only assume an actual Blu-ray disc would look mesmerizing and glorious!

I walked into a Visions store to buy my Epson --long story short, salesman was lying about picture becoming brown if wall is brown, green if green, ect. and saying colors will be washed out without a screen. I have seen user posted shots of a projected images on medium browns, whites, blacks, etc.and they all look great, so knew he was full of it.

I personally am glad I don't need a screen (and recommend against it), as the physical metal piece the screen rolls down from, would be a distraction IMO.
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I use my wall as well, it looks like a screen since I have a border but other than that there is no way you would guess that it's just a painted wall. Looks great, check out pictures in the link below.
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Wow your room looks incredible!! 158 inch screen!! OH NO SCREEN ENVY!!
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I have purchased an Epson 8350 on Monday and could not be happier. I display it about 96 - 100 inches diagonally, with full zoom and sharpness; all displayed on my ivory painted drywall (semi-gloss), and I sit 6.5 feet away.
Watching 1080p content, with a video bitrate of over 10 Mbps, I see no artifacts, jaggies, etc. (This is from 2 feet away when I pause it to do a quick lookover for my review I had posted here). Amazing sharpness, excellent contrast, and great detail. I can only assume an actual Blu-ray disc would look mesmerizing and glorious!
I walked into a Visions store to buy my Epson --long story short, salesman was lying about picture becoming brown if wall is brown, green if green, ect. and saying colors will be washed out without a screen. I have seen user posted shots of a projected images on medium browns, whites, blacks, etc.and they all look great, so knew he was full of it.
I personally am glad I don't need a screen (and recommend against it), as the physical metal piece the screen rolls down from, would be a distraction IMO.


I thought so!! My 8350 looks SO GOOD on my wall it is unreal. I am seeing if I can stop that screen order!! $600 could go toward something that I really need!! Thanks!
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I thought so!! My 8350 looks SO GOOD on my wall it is unreal. I am seeing if I can stop that screen order!! $600 could go toward something that I really need!! Thanks!

No worries, my friend and I'm glad I helped you save some cash. Funny thing was I went back to Visions this afternoon, to exhange my 1m Energy HDMI cable for a 4 meter one, and saw the salesman from Monday. I told him how awesome the picture was on my wall, and he still insisted it would look better with a screen. I can tell he's not speaking from experience and what he was trained to say. Unless one's wall is brick, cedar planks, marble, stone, or granite, or if it's very uneven/bumpy with drywall holes all over the place... then a screen is a huge waste of money IMO.

I'd suggest investing the $600 into speakers to enhance the movie experience or if you have good - excellent audio equipment, invest it into an RRSP or a TFSA.
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then a screen is a huge waste of money IMO.

Da-Lite HP screens are pretty reasonably priced (especially if you get a manual pulldown).
The image is slightly sharper than what appears on a wall, but more importantly it is twice as bright.

Some paint is probably ALMOST as sharp, but regular paint is not (trust me I've tried it).
The difference is not huge, but it's there. Screens also provide better contrast than regular white wall.
If wanting to save money, the thing to do is to DIY a screen, but using regular wall paint is NOT as good as a screen, sorry...

$600 for an 84 inch screen IS A COMPLETE RIP-OFF. I would not bother investing in a screen for this size anyhow, I would make a DIY screen.
At that small size, you can probably get a DA-Lite HP screen under $150 in manual pulldown, or fixed at that size probably less than $300.

You can get regular 1.0 to 1.4 gain screens for well under $200 at that size even for a fixed frame, so that price is too high.
It makes more sense to spend $500 to $1000 on a screen for a $3000 projector, but not for a $1000 projector.


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Wow your room looks incredible!! 158 inch screen!! OH NO SCREEN ENVY!!

Thanks man, I was shocked at how good the picture was when I bought the projector. When I was deciding what size frame to use I just kept zooming out the picture bigger and bigger and the clarity didn't seem to be getting any worse so I went big, shoot if my ceiling was taller I would have gone even bigger!! eek.gif

The pics in my link don't do the picture quality justice my camera sucks and everything is blurry.
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I tried projecting onto my white wall once, it was definitely watchable, but projecting onto a screen was much much better. As others have said already, projecting onto a decent screen should yield better contrast, and should deliver a sharper picture. Buy a cheap pull down screen and try it for yourself.

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No worries, my friend and I'm glad I helped you save some cash. Funny thing was I went back to Visions this afternoon, to exhange my 1m Energy HDMI cable for a 4 meter one, and saw the salesman from Monday. I told him how awesome the picture was on my wall, and he still insisted it would look better with a screen. I can tell he's not speaking from experience and what he was trained to say. Unless one's wall is brick, cedar planks, marble, stone, or granite, or if it's very uneven/bumpy with drywall holes all over the place... then a screen is a huge waste of money IMO.
I'd suggest investing the $600 into speakers to enhance the movie experience or if you have good - excellent audio equipment, invest it into an RRSP or a TFSA.

He was not lying. A screen will make it look better for the reasons Coderguy mentions above. Either way, glad you are happy, congrats on your purchase and welcome to the FP side! smile.gif

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It depends on the wall and paint though. I've tried screens in my room too and there was no improvement, in fact the contrast is better on my wall.
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