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Hi,

a review from Projector Central :

http://www.projectorcentral.com/mitsubishi_hc8000d_full_hd_3d_projector_review.htm
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thanks for the link.

The D65 lumens seem surprisingly low.

On the HC8000D-BL, that same mode measures 626 lumens with the iris set to High Brightness and 496 lumens with the iris set to High Contrast.

6x color wheel at this relatively low lumen output should be a dream for anyone subject to RBE and like's DLP.
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I've got my eye on this one as well...I still haven't pulled the trigger on a PJ....it's just difficult b\c I need lumens and I need a large 130+ 2.35 screen biggrin.gif
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... And standard glasses! Maybe this one will be my long-awaiting upgrade from my IN72 smile.gif
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HC7900D is already available in online-shops, but what about HC8000D?
From what I've read, it would not be possible to buy 8000 online ?

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Also, It seems HC7900D will NOT work with mitsubishi high-speed glasses?
They made new model "EY-3DGS-80U" (replacing old bulky EY-3DGS-78U) for HC8000 according to brochure:

http://www.projectorcentral.com/pdf/projector_spec_7172.pdf

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But its not available for 7900, only emitter and lamp are in options.
http://www.mitsubishielectric.com/bu/projectors/downloads/pdf/hc7900dw/hc7900dw_brochure.pdf

I don't get this marketing strategy. I would buy 7900, but its not as good as 8000. I would buy 8000, but its not available easily. So I'm buying nothing?

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I'm curious: maybe the new glasses would work with HC7800D?
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http://www.mitsubishi-presentations.com/hc8000d-bl/
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CAUTION: This model is NOT sold on the internet in the U.S. If you buy this online, you may be buying a grey market product not intended for the U.S. market use, and it may not bear full warranty. Please use our Authorized Dealer Locator box to find a dealer near you.
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http://www.projectorcentral.com/projectors.cfm?g=1&hide=0&st=1&mfg=Mitsubishi
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Mitsubishi HC8000D-BL
First Ship Date: 11/1/2012
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mit bulbs last forever, I love the build quality of the projectors.
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This is the projector to watch this year, we just have to wait for Zombie's reviews. This is the most loaded and feature rich DLP ever released under $3000 (maybe under $5000), so as long as there are no major deal-breaking issue, I'm definitely looking at grabbing me one when I can.


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I m trying to figure out when it will be available in the Netherlands and/or Germany the best I can atm. Report back as soon as I know more
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yeah, i think so, I love the build quality of the projectors. ,mit bulbs last forever,Report back as soon as I know more ,thank you 45.jpg
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just got off the phone with Mitsubishi Netherlands. They are saying that the 8000D-BL won t be available AT ALL in Europe!!
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I'm sort of surprised that Mitsubishi kept the same 1300 lumens that was on the hc4000 . I figured they would raise the lumens on the new version.

Is it that anything higher can't produce a better image for the bat cave, at their current tech level. I would think a more higher lumen PJ that could be toned down for bat cave, would sell better and used in more environments. Pretty much all the other PJ makers are making higher lumen PJ's for home use.

Mitshubishi does make higher lumen PJ's but NOT for home use but for business and school situations , they seem to settle on 1300 lumens for home use. A 2000 lumen PJ that could have setting for bat cave and living room mode, could be a killer PJ for mits. What are your thoughts?
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You can't overly increase the lumens on DLP projectors without it lowering the contrast unless you put VERY expensive parts in them (very), and even then you can only do it so much. Reference level DLP's sometimes have even less lumens in their best modes usually than this, or about the same.

The hc8000 is brighter than the hc4000 by a little, the hc4000 was around 1100 lumens in its brightest mode, whereas the hc8000 can actually hit 1300 in 3D mode.
This would put the hc8000's 3D mode brighter than the Benq w7000 3D mode, even though the Benq is much brighter in 2D. For enthusiast setups, we don't care about lumens in the brightest modes as much as we care about it also having a mode with very high contrast.

What we are hoping is a DLP that can do 1300 lumens in 3D (this beats the Optoma hd33, Benq w7000, Optoma hd8300, Sony hw30es, and JVC RSx in 3D mode), and still give us the option of toning down the lumens with the manual aperture which will also boost native on/off. If this PJ is tested well by Zombie, it is exactly a perfect fit for me on my High Power 2.4 gain Da-Lite screen.


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just got off the phone with Mitsubishi Netherlands. They are saying that the 8000D-BL won t be available AT ALL in Europe!!
Bummer. Any idea if mitsu is going to sell same device with different name?
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HC8000D on canadian site
http://sonicvisions.ca/mitsubishi-hc8000d-full-hd-3d-home-theatre-dlp-projector.html

I called them, they said they already have HC8000D, but they do not sell it over internet, you have to come to the store.


Can someone explain why Mitsubishi (and others) do that? I don't understand.
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HC8000D on canadian site
http://sonicvisions.ca/mitsubishi-hc8000d-full-hd-3d-home-theatre-dlp-projector.html
I called them, they said they already have HC8000D, but they do not sell it over internet, you have to come to the store.
Can someone explain why Mitsubishi (and others) do that? I don't understand.

They do that to protect the dealership/installer network and to protect the profit margin on the more expensive projectors. The HC9000D was an even more extreme example of this thinking. Mits and others have to decide if they want to sell more PJs or keep dealers happy. The conventional wisdom would be that selling more product at a reduced margin would be better than selling a few at a higher margin. I think in this case, conventional wisdom is right.

I avoided the HC9000D specifically because I did not want to pay someone else to install the unit when I could do an equal (or in many cases better) job myself. I also didn't have any interest in supporting the dealer's margins, at least for the dealers I tried to deal with. When I contacted purported Mits dealers about the PJ, they didn't stock it, but they could order it at full price if I agreed to let them install it. Of course, I'd get a "free" evaluation of my room and system, too, with suggestions on how they could upsell me to stuff I don't want or need. For them, full price was $9,995, but with an install the discounted price could be $6,995 for the PJ. Installation including a ceiling mount would be many hundreds more. What a deal!! Especially for a PJ that's currently going for $2,999 from AVS.

Mits is ducking out of the high-end market because the strategy failed, but now I see they want to ruin the mid level market by bringing this moronic limitation to the HC8000D. Good job, that.

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You can buy them from AVS without needing another dealer or install AFIK for under retail.
I will hear back from Mike soon one way or another once he has the price.

The reason I want the hc8000 over the hc7900 is the added contrast and extra lamp, presumably the hc8000 will cost $500 more or so.


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HC8000D manual

http://www.mitsubishielectric.ca/en/displays/projectors/PDF/manual_HC8000D.pdf

Its interesting that HC8000D can also use older glasses and emitter from HC7800D.



I suppose this means that HC7800D should also work with new EY-3DGS80U glasses, good news for 7800 owners.

Other interesting feature: 3D sync fine-tuning for eliminating possible crosstalk:



Why this wasn't mentioned in ProjectorCentral review?
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You can buy them from AVS without needing another dealer or install AFIK for under retail.
I will hear back from Mike soon one way or another once he has the price.

Seems like that would make some BM dealers and some ID sellers mad.

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...What we are hoping is a DLP that can do 1300 lumens in 3D (this beats the Optoma hd33, Benq w7000, Optoma hd8300, Sony hw30es, and JVC RSx in 3D mode), and still give us the option of toning down the lumens with the manual aperture which will also boost native on/off. If this PJ is tested well by Zombie, it is exactly a perfect fit for me on my High Power 2.4 gain Da-Lite screen.


Doesn't this projector have install limitations that would prevent the added benefit of the HP 2.4 screen?
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The Lens shift can allow for it to be mounted only about 10" above the screen for smaller screens (100" to 110"), this will probably give about 1.3 to 1.4 gain , but if it can do 1300 lumens in 3D mode, that counteracts some of the lost gain difference from the other projectors. Point being I don't need that many lumens for 3d, I have a 106" Pulldown HP screen. I just wish they had added motorized lens shift and focus.


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Seems like that would make some BM dealers and some ID sellers mad.

I think online just means you have to buy it over the phone from AVS, they are getting Zombie one AFIK so I don't see how they would not be able to sell them, but we'll see. You can't buy JVC's online in most cases either, but you can buy them over the phone.


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chinese HC8000D review http://www.pjtime.com/2012/10/56312146.shtml

Oh crap, this is just a translation from ProjectorCentral
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chinese HC8000D review http://www.pjtime.com/2012/10/56312146.shtml
Oh crap, this is just a translation from ProjectorCentral
Ahhaha! That is indeed a true Chinese review!

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New slim 3D glasses for HC8000D (also should fit HC7800D)

http://www.shopblt.com/item/mitsubishi-ey-3dgs-80u-3d-glasses-hc8000d-bl/mitshi_ey3dgs80u.html

Your Price: $290.26
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Here's the manual for the HC8000 (and HC7900).

http://www.mitsubishielectric.ca/en/displays/projectors/PDF/manual_HC8000D.pdf

I'm shocked that there aren't any HC8000 owners here in AVSforum! eek.gif (besides Zombie10k)


EDIT: whoops...missed Ilya's earlier post of the manual.rolleyes.gif
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Zombie10k is suppressing the sales, ha! ('cause everyone is waiting for his review)
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Because of the upward throw angle of this projector, this projector is more limited than others in placement. Here's a useful placement calculator I found for the HC8000.

http://www.mitsubishielectric.com/bu/projectors/calculations/prjcalc.html

When entering the projector model, there is currently no option for the HC8000, but there is one for the HC7900.
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Because of the upward throw angle of this projector, this projector is more limited than others in placement. Here's a useful placement calculator I found for the HC8000.
http://www.mitsubishielectric.com/bu/projectors/calculations/prjcalc.html
When entering the projector model, there is currently no option for the HC8000, but there is one for the HC7900.

Well, I am glad to see that it appears to be the same offset as the HC3800 and HC4000...both of which have a huge following here. Looking forward to reviews on this model.

Thanks!
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