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I'll try and talk about once I get to do a side-by-side review with the HD25.

Seriously... cant wait to read your review about 1070 vs 25!!
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Seriously... cant wait to read your review about 1070 vs 25!!

LOL, look right above your comment smile.gif

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3oris, need your experience on 3D for both of these..


HD25/W1070 no Frame Interpolation, but 144Hz, does its 3D quality compensate the FI like the above?

And how about the 3D quality as in depth, effect, detachment of object.. appears to your eyes between 'em? \

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/tests/354-Optoma-HD25-0.html

http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audiovideohd.fr%2Ftests%2F354-Optoma-HD25-0.html

The HD25 was rated higher than W1070 for its 3D quality (for its using RF instead of IR)
While W1070 scored slightly lower for its IR technology used. But it has slightly better fluidity.
If mainly for 3D, which would you prefer in the above 2 models? Just wondering, is FI that crucial in 3D? just got no chance to view and compare them side by side over here.
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3oris, need your experience on 3D for both of these..


HD25/W1070 no Frame Interpolation, but 144Hz, does its 3D quality compensate the FI like the above?

And how about the 3D quality as in depth, effect, detachment of object.. appears to your eyes between 'em? \

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/tests/354-Optoma-HD25-0.html

http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audiovideohd.fr%2Ftests%2F354-Optoma-HD25-0.html

The HD25 was rated higher than W1070 for its 3D quality (for its using RF instead of IR)
While W1070 scored slightly lower for its IR technology used. But it has slightly better fluidity.
If mainly for 3D, which would you prefer in the above 2 models? Just wondering, is FI that crucial in 3D? just got no chance to view and compare them side by side over here.

I'm sorry, but I don't use 3D frown.gif

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Time for some live Tour de France! That's free to air too...

I would expect the Benq to deliver some stellar images of the Alps and Provence.
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Thank you very much for the review! I will have to play around with where I would need to mount the HD25. I am concerned that the noise will be way too much with how close above our head the BenQ will be due to having to mount it under a soffit.
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Is 45dBs too loud for this projector in Eco mode/Cinema at about 3 feet away (58dB at six inches)? First time with projectors and not sure what to expect.

Note: using an app on SGS3 called SmartTools to test dB. Not high end audio monitoring equipment, but does the job.

I think it's past time to upgrade my equipment and my room.
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Is 45dBs too loud for this projector in Eco mode/Cinema at about 3 feet away (58dB at six inches)? First time with projectors and not sure what to expect.

Note: using an app on SGS3 called SmartTools to test dB. Not high end audio monitoring equipment, but does the job.

Too loud is subjective , it might be too loud for you , and not for me ( years of construction work) . The best way to decide is to place your pj where it will go , sit in your favorite spot and see if it distracts you from the viewing . Your numbers are higher than advertised by Benq , but I don't remember their reading distance , and using an app on your phone is sketchy to get a true measurement . Unless it's calibrated , and has been verified with a known value it's really just a fart app. There just isn't any way to know how accurate , or far off that app is without calibrating .

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Curious...I've had my PJ for several months now and I've got over 1000 hours on firmware 1.03 with no issues until now. Every few minutes I loose picture and it begins to signal search. After a few seconds the picture comes back. I've looked at all of the auto off\timer features and they have been disabled. Checked all of my hdmi cables and no improvement. I'm definitely in the "if ain't broke don't fix it" camp....so, I'm wondering if this an issue that firmware can clear up. Thoughts?
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Curious...I've had my PJ for several months now and I've got over 1000 hours on firmware 1.03 with no issues until now. Every few minutes I loose picture and it begins to signal search. After a few seconds the picture comes back. I've looked at all of the auto off\timer features and they have been disabled. Checked all of my hdmi cables and no improvement. I'm definitely in the "if ain't broke don't fix it" camp....so, I'm wondering if this an issue that firmware can clear up. Thoughts?

You'd be better off asking BenQ. Mine has the latest firmware and does the same thing every once in a while. Extremely annoying... TV's and the HD25 doesn't do that. Actually, while I was doing a video review the BenQ did it, so I'll post that as part of the review.

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My 1080 literally started doing that out of the blue last night, never happened before (over the two weeks I've had it). I'd turn the receiver on/off thinking it was a handshake issue. Nope. Tried a number of shutting down + turning back on sequences between the PJ, the receiver, the PS3, and the DirectV box, and nothing helped. This morning, all was fine and the kids played a PS3 game for a few hours uninterrupted. Color me confused.
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I have a W1250 on order from Costco Canada which is a rebadged W1070 from all reports. There have been numerous reports of the poor fit of the HDMI cables on these. I'm going to trim some of the plastic on the HDMI connector to allow the cables to seat properly. I may use some a small piece of duct tape or the like to secure the connection a little better. In would try this before sending back for service.
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Great review. A rare opportunity to have a side by side comparison.
Thanks for taking the time to set this up.

Sounds like the two projectors are similar, but the one advantage which is huge if you care about 3D seems to be the RF technology the HD25 employs. I think Red-tint is an annoying concern along with the search for comfortable 3D glasses that do a good job of blocking red-tint. And besides, no videophile would really want their 3D technology actually messing with or altering the image in any way. Having said that, it's really not that much of an issue in reality & in practice

I use the 3DTV CORP glasses, and so do many people in this thread thanks to their quality and affordability, so I wanted to provide the link below which is to page 11 of the 144hz glasses page. Check out post #304 where signa957 calibrated through two different pairs of glasses in 3D mode. One pair was the Monoprice which have been found to be the same make as the bulky 3DTV Corp's many of us here use, and so those are the settings I will employ for 3D:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1448720/benq-w1070-144hz-compatible-dlp-link-3d-glasses/300

One interesting and suprising thing he found is that that they both blocked too much red and he had to add it back in when he calibrated. So it may indeed be that those who still see a red cast in darker images from where they sit, it is (as others have also thought) due to reflections off the ceiling/walls of their room and not due in large part to the glasses themselves

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I have a W1250 on order from Costco Canada which is a rebadged W1070 from all reports. There have been numerous reports of the poor fit of the HDMI cables on these. I'm going to trim some of the plastic on the HDMI connector to allow the cables to seat properly. I may use some a small piece of duct tape or the like to secure the connection a little better. In would try this before sending back for service.

I recently got the 1250 and have no issue with the fit of the HDMI cable. Everything fits just fine.
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Gee whiz have only 187 hours on my 1070 but only watch dvds.

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BenQ W1070 vs Optoma HD25 Review

As I've mentioned in the past, these two projectors have been at the top of my list and I wanted to try both to get a good idea about the strengths and weakness of each. I find most online reviews to be pretty lacking and I thought I'd write my own "real world, real user" review. First and foremost, let me just say that there was no clear winner between the two. Both have their strengths and weaknesses, which I will attempt to explain as well as I can below.

Nice - thanks for this!

What about rainbow effect? I think the color wheel (at 50hz) on the BenQ runs faster than at the same framerate on the Optoma? Or are they the same?

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Thanks for your input guys...gonna give Benq a call on Monday! I will keep you posted!
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Nice - thanks for this!

What about rainbow effect? I think the color wheel (at 50hz) on the BenQ runs faster than at the same framerate on the Optoma? Or are they the same?

You're welcome, glad you found it useful!

My guess is that the 6-people who regularly show up to our (almost daily) movie nights must not be sensitive to it, because we don't notice RBE - at least nobody has said anything about it.

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benq w1250 just picked up Costco deal
( upgraded from 7 year old optoma 720p projector which is still working great around 6000 hrs)
Blacks are better than expected and fan noise is really only noticable when I mute sound(lucky for me I don't own any silent movies currently) it is ceiling mounted above seating( acoustic tbar ceiling helps I think with noise) light controlled multi media room with 106" fixed frame Grandview screen(1.0 gain) and this projector was a huge upgrade in PQ and 3d is amazing
everyone here a big THANKS for all your info
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benq w1250 just picked up Costco deal
( upgraded from 7 year old optoma 720p projector which is still working great around 6000 hrs)
Blacks are better than expected and fan noise is really only noticable when I mute sound(lucky for me I don't own any silent movies currently) it is ceiling mounted above seating( acoustic tbar ceiling helps I think with noise) light controlled multi media room with 106" fixed frame Grandview screen(1.0 gain) and this projector was a huge upgrade in PQ and 3d is amazing
everyone here a big THANKS for all your info
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Thanks for that, I expect mine to arrive Tues, same deal, and like you, replacing a 6yr old 720p, Panasonic
PTAX100, which still looks just great, ceiling mounted and with a 106" Grandview 1.0 (pull down) screen smile.gif
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You're welcome, glad you found it useful!

My guess is that the 6-people who regularly show up to our (almost daily) movie nights must not be sensitive to it, because we don't notice RBE - at least nobody has said anything about it.

I got another ten hours in with my w1070 and do not note any rainbow effect and I am sensitive to it, so I am very pleased. Right now I am projecting on a beige wall and am very impressed at the color pop, crispness & black level. I would love, love, love to be able to pick up a black diamond screen and see what this thing can really do...unfortunately I dont have two and a half grand burning a hole in my wallet mad.gif

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benq w1250 just picked up Costco deal
( upgraded from 7 year old optoma 720p projector which is still working great around 6000 hrs)
Blacks are better than expected and fan noise is really only noticable when I mute sound(lucky for me I don't own any silent movies currently) it is ceiling mounted above seating( acoustic tbar ceiling helps I think with noise) light controlled multi media room with 106" fixed frame Grandview screen(1.0 gain) and this projector was a huge upgrade in PQ and 3d is amazing
everyone here a big THANKS for all your info
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I tried searching Costco fot his but could not find it. Is it avialable in your area only?
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Costco.Ca only
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Hello Senseis!

It is extremely rare that I do this, but I have backed myself into a corner with regards to timeframe, and I really need some quick, trustworthy and reliable answers. And of course, there is no better place to go to when it comes to trustworthy and expert answers, than you all here at AVSForum.

Back when the BenQ W1070 first came out, I knew that it was going to be a contender, but since I didn't have the scratch to buy all the components to complete my home theater room, I bookmarked this thread, and figured I would catch up on it when the time came to pull the proverbial trigger.

Well, fast forward to this weekend. My fiancé made plans to host a movie night at our place on 08/03, which will be pretty hard to do without a complete home theater room. So I am now tasked to get this done for her (us) ASAP.

I got the room wired for 7.1 over the weekend, and now need to order the screen and projector. So, figuring it would be easy, I loaded this thread up, and saw that when I bookmarked it, the thread was only 7 pages long. It is now 179... Holy crap!!! Now, I will eventually get through all of the pages, but while I do, I figured I would try to take a temporary shortcut, and post the questions here in the hopes I can save myself from reading through approximately 5,200 posts in the thread to catch up.

My room is rectangular, and is 146.5" x 256". The wall the screen will be going on is 146.5" W x 102.5" H. I know I can fit either a 133" fixed screen, or a 150" fixed screen there, but I'm not sure which one to go with. Hold this thought for now...

The tricky part of the room is that it has a peaked ceiling. The ceiling is 102.5" at either end of the 256" length, and about 134" at the peak in the middle. Because of this, at the time I first started looking at the 1070, I was concerned with the throw distance, since according to the BenQ website, the throw is 79" at 2M (6.56 Ft). If my math is correct, to project onto a 133" screen, I would need to mount the projector 11 feet from the wall to do this. This would put the projector just behind the peak in the ceiling, and my concern was that the lens shift in the W1070 wouldn't be enough to correct the picture.

Now, in the short amount of catching up I have done (On page 15 currently), I have noticed that since I bookmarked the thread, the BenQ W1080ST has come out. I was on hold with NCIX for almost 45 mins today to try to get some answers from them, and got disconnected. However, I think I got the basic jist from researching while I was on hold, and it seems that the 1080ST is the exact same projector as the 1070, however, the throw ratio is less at 65.7" at 1M (3.3 Ft.). This would mean that to fill up a 133" screen, I could mount the projector at 6.68 Ft away from the wall, which would mean I would need less lens shift.

So, here are my questions:

1) Are my assumptions thus far correct (1070 versus 1080 ShortThrow)?
2) I have read that the 1080ST doesn't have lens shift, however, I see on the BenQ page that it has Vertical Keystone Correction of -20°/+20°. Is that the same as lens shift?
3) Given the size of my room, and the location I would need to mount the projector, should I go with a 150" screen, or stick with a 133"? I know seating location is somewhat subjective, however, I'm sure there is a generalized standard among you experts, so please instruct the layman. :-)
4) I was planning on going with the monoprice screen (PID 7957). For $480.50, it's a great deal, but do you think I should get something better, and if so, what? I really would prefer not to spend more than $800 - $1000 on the screen.

Thanks very much in advance to everyone for your help. I'm in a tough spot, and need to get the stuff ordered within the next day or so, so that I can work on installing it next weekend.

Looking forward to your responses!!!
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Hello Senseis!

It is extremely rare that I do this, but I have backed myself into a corner with regards to timeframe, and I really need some quick, trustworthy and reliable answers. And of course, there is no better place to go to when it comes to trustworthy and expert answers, than you all here at AVSForum.

Back when the BenQ W1070 first came out, I knew that it was going to be a contender, but since I didn't have the scratch to buy all the components to complete my home theater room, I bookmarked this thread, and figured I would catch up on it when the time came to pull the proverbial trigger.

Well, fast forward to this weekend. My fiancé made plans to host a movie night at our place on 08/03, which will be pretty hard to do without a complete home theater room. So I am now tasked to get this done for her (us) ASAP.

I got the room wired for 7.1 over the weekend, and now need to order the screen and projector. So, figuring it would be easy, I loaded this thread up, and saw that when I bookmarked it, the thread was only 7 pages long. It is now 179... Holy crap!!! Now, I will eventually get through all of the pages, but while I do, I figured I would try to take a temporary shortcut, and post the questions here in the hopes I can save myself from reading through approximately 5,200 posts in the thread to catch up.

My room is rectangular, and is 146.5" x 256". The wall the screen will be going on is 146.5" W x 102.5" H. I know I can fit either a 133" fixed screen, or a 150" fixed screen there, but I'm not sure which one to go with. Hold this thought for now...

The tricky part of the room is that it has a peaked ceiling. The ceiling is 102.5" at either end of the 256" length, and about 134" at the peak in the middle. Because of this, at the time I first started looking at the 1070, I was concerned with the throw distance, since according to the BenQ website, the throw is 79" at 2M (6.56 Ft). If my math is correct, to project onto a 133" screen, I would need to mount the projector 11 feet from the wall to do this. This would put the projector just behind the peak in the ceiling, and my concern was that the lens shift in the W1070 wouldn't be enough to correct the picture.

Now, in the short amount of catching up I have done (On page 15 currently), I have noticed that since I bookmarked the thread, the BenQ W1080ST has come out. I was on hold with NCIX for almost 45 mins today to try to get some answers from them, and got disconnected. However, I think I got the basic jist from researching while I was on hold, and it seems that the 1080ST is the exact same projector as the 1070, however, the throw ratio is less at 65.7" at 1M (3.3 Ft.). This would mean that to fill up a 133" screen, I could mount the projector at 6.68 Ft away from the wall, which would mean I would need less lens shift. I spent around $900 on my screen from Amazon.

So, here are my questions:

1) Are my assumptions thus far correct (1070 versus 1080 ShortThrow)?
2) I have read that the 1080ST doesn't have lens shift, however, I see on the BenQ page that it has Vertical Keystone Correction of -20°/+20°. Is that the same as lens shift?
3) Given the size of my room, and the location I would need to mount the projector, should I go with a 150" screen, or stick with a 133"? I know seating location is somewhat subjective, however, I'm sure there is a generalized standard among you experts, so please instruct the layman. :-)
4) I was planning on going with the monoprice screen (PID 7957). For $480.50, it's a great deal, but do you think I should get something better, and if so, what? I really would prefer not to spend more than $800 - $1000 on the screen.

Thanks very much in advance to everyone for your help. I'm in a tough spot, and need to get the stuff ordered within the next day or so, so that I can work on installing it next weekend.

Looking forward to your responses!!!
Hello Epbb! I'm currently running a 150" and I love it! My room is 14w x 20d and we sit back around 15 from the screen! I spent around $900 on the screen from Amazon. I was on the fence about a 133" but I'm very glad I went with the 150"!
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Hello Epbb! I'm currently running a 150" and I love it! My room is 14w x 20d and we sit back around 15 from the screen! I spent around $900 on the screen from Amazon. I was on the fence about a 133" but I'm very glad I went with the 150"!

Thanks Joe! I am leaning towards the 150" also now, and as I'm doing more research, I don't thing the 1080ST will work, since there doesn't seem to be any lens shift, which means the projector will be hanging WAY down from the peaked ceiling...

Which screen brand did you go with? And did you go with white or grey? I do have some ambient side light from big picture windows which we will try to eliminate with blinds, but for the most part, we will only watch movies at night, until Football season when I will be watching the games during the day.
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1) Neither of these BenQ's are going to work without a long drop tube. I doubt a projector hanging two feet down in the middle of your vaulted ceiling is going to be a hit. The Optoma HD25 which is very similar would likely be a better choice. Longer thow distance and a greater angle means you could mount it almost at the back wall.
2) Lens shift is a physical adjustment of the lens, keystone correction is digital adjustment that can reduce the sharpness of the picture.
3) These projectors have enough light output for a 150" screen if you have excellent light control but as this sounds like a common room I would stick with the 133". Seating is a personal choice with 1X screen width being very close and involving and 1.5X screen width probably more comfortable for casual viewers. (10' to 15' from a 133" diagonal screen)
4) I will likely get shot for this, but unless you plan on getting a specialty screen (high gain or retroreflective) which costs $$$ then stick with the cheaper screen choice.

Hi David!

Thanks for the response! So Keystone is different, and from what I've caught up on so far, the 1080ST doesn't have lens shift, which means it's probably out.

As for the brightness, you make a very good point... Particularly considering I do have large picture windows in the side of the room that allows ambient light to come in... And considering the fact I'm really leaning towards the 150", I will definitely look into the Optoma... Initial perusing has yielded that there's a new "LV" model that has 3200 lumens, which creates more questions:

5) Can I go too bright with that?!?
6) If I get a 150" screen with 3200 lumens, should I go with the grey screen to help with the ambient light?
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After looking a bit more at the Optoma, it doesn't have lens shift, plus, the throw is super long. According to the calculator on their website, the PJ needs to be mounted 17'9" away from the screen to fill a 150" screen. If I do this, then every time someone stands up, the image will be blocked. Heck, the seats themselves may block the image at that throw distance, no?...

Not to mention, there's also a ceiling fan in the middle of the room which would also probably interfere with the image...

The review on AVForums also stated that other budget projectors had better 3D than the Optoma, so I think this one might be out. Given this is my first projector, I think I'm going to need to have lens shift to help with any mounting mistakes I make...

EDIT: Looks like the 150" screen probably won't work, since if we went with that, we would need to sit 15 feet away from the screen. And, considering we want to put two rows of three seats to sit six people (Room isn't wide enough to sit one row of four), we won't have enough room for the second row. Looks like we might be going with the 133" after all. So, the Optoma might be back in the mix here.
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After looking a bit more at the Optoma, it doesn't have lens shift, plus, the throw is super long. According to the calculator on their website, the PJ needs to be mounted 17'9" away from the screen to fill a 150" screen. If I do this, then every time someone stands up, the image will be blocked. Heck, the seats themselves may block the image at that throw distance, no?...

I have the W1070 mounted just a hair over 8' from the screen and it's not even at full zoom (but close) for a 100" image. The Optoma HD25 is closer to 12' away to get the same size.

When I have the Optoma on it seems like, even when one is walking so far away from the projected image, the image still gets hit. Short throw is kind of under rated, IMO... It's weird that you mention it, but that was definitely a "real-world" nuisance with the HD25. Not a problem with the BenQ - at least in my environment.

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