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One of the biggest improvements I made when I had this PJ was to make some simple masks to use when watching 'Scope format movies. I used plywood cut to size at the store and some sticky-backed velvet. Cost is negligible. You will need to make some simple sort of bracket to attach them when watching a scope movie. I found that physically removing the black bars in this way vastly improves the perceived contrast as you do not have a 'constant reminder' above and below the image of the mediocre blacks that the PJ can manage. In all but the darkest of dark scenes this made a huge subjective difference. It takes just a few seconds to take the masks down when watching a full 16:9 presentation.

 

Thanks, this is really good idea. Yes the problem is mainly with those bars. I've watched a film this weekend in true 16:9 and image was way better than on other films with bars. I might only have a small problem with storing those masks somewhere as my screen is almost as wide as my wall ;)

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So difference between blacks on screen and black wall is clearly visible.
And I'd love to get results like this:

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Is the difference between your first image and rest just from different camera exposure, or did you took it with different PJ settings ?

The first shot was over exposed which is why its easier to see the black bars and the others are set for 1 stop lower which matches much more accurately the actual picture Im seeing. Camera's are known to over expose these kind of shots by about 1 stop.
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The first shot was over exposed which is why its easier to see the black bars and the others are set for 1 stop lower which matches much more accurately the actual picture Im seeing. Camera's are known to over expose these kind of shots by about 1 stop.


WOW. Could you share your settings ? Because what I see on my PJ is close to this first over exposed photo....

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When I do my dedicated room I will be making removable masking as a must. I thought about using ridged foam wrapped in black so it's lightweight and easy to hang.

If you build a frame around your screen it will allow the masking to fit snug inside the frame or atleast that's how I'm going to try.


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One of the biggest improvements I made when I had this PJ was to make some simple masks to use when watching 'Scope format movies. I used plywood cut to size at the store and some sticky-backed velvet. Cost is negligible. You will need to make some simple sort of bracket to attach them when watching a scope movie. I found that physically removing the black bars in this way vastly improves the perceived contrast as you do not have a 'constant reminder' above and below the image of the mediocre blacks that the PJ can manage. In all but the darkest of dark scenes this made a huge subjective difference. It takes just a few seconds to take the masks down when watching a full 16:9 presentation.

 

Thanks, this is really good idea. Yes the problem is mainly with those bars. I've watched a film this weekend in true 16:9 and image was way better than on other films with bars. I might only have a small problem with storing those masks somewhere as my screen is almost as wide as my wall ;)

 

Mostly (for movies) they will be installed anyway - about 70-75% of movies are 'Scope format. I just lay mine in the floor underneath the screen when they are not needed.



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I live in Salt Lake City, Utah 4,327 feet and currently use high altitude mode for my W1070. It sounds like a jet is landing in my theater room! Anyone have ideas to reduce noise or if I run this in normal mode will it damage my pj?

I had it overheat and shutoff the first day I used it because It doesn't default to high altitude mode. I changed it and have been unhappy ever since!
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I just rechecked with WOW checkerboard test patterns and I definitely get BTB and WTW with HDMI set to video mode with YCbCr.
I can in fact see way up above white in the contrast test and have to turn contrast all the way up to 65 before white clips down to white +0 on the checkerboard.
With brightness checkerboard I can see way below black until I turn brightness down to 47 where black +0 is just invisible.
When checking gamma with these settings though, gamma 2.2 actually measures as 1.9 and the closest I can get to ideal gamma is 2.1 with the projector set at 2.8.

Setting Gamma to 2.8 (2.1 measured) with these settings and using brightness and contrast checkerboards again the projector still gets down to +0 black and up to +0 white as individual tests, but the combined superwhite and superblack checkerboard I loose all black upto about +5% but contrast still hangs on to +0.
Going back and forth between Gamma, brightness and contrast I was able to get a retina burning picture.. I mean its seriously bright switching between dark and bright scenes measured at 26+ FC before the smarteco mode brings it back down to a slightly less painful 22fc!
The picture looks ok and really really POPS from the screen but it looks too much like video and not enough like film and some scenes you can clearly see the contrast is set way too high because the image gets a really hard edge and looks oversaturated.

The bottom line.. I prefer a measured gamma @ 2.2 with projector set at 2.2 and brightness at 48 with contrast at 38. (all measurements were in cinema mode and normal colour temp and brilliant colour on) This setting gives a really nice tonal balance with a really smooth film look and still has good screen pop.
Looking at my preferred settings with the WOW checkerboard brightness and contrast tests I can see all the way up to +7% for white and down to +0% for black on the individual tests and in the combined superwhite/superblack test I see upto +7% white and down to +2% black.
My settings are also a much more comfortable measured 17fc.

Interesting, so somehow you're getting our projector not to clip. The only explanations I can come up with are that you're using a different Bluray player that's somehow causing this (both Panasonic and Oppo players seem to still cause it to clip, what are you using?), that a newer projector firmware fixed it (I have 1.06), though both seem unlikely, or that you have a combination of settings that somehow causes the projector not to clip. Wish I could replicate this somehow!

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I live in Salt Lake City, Utah 4,327 feet and currently use high altitude mode for my W1070. It sounds like a jet is landing in my theater room! Anyone have ideas to reduce noise or if I run this in normal mode will it damage my pj?

I had it overheat and shutoff the first day I used it because It doesn't default to high altitude mode. I changed it and have been unhappy ever since!

I live in South Jordan and I don't use high altitude mode. I used it at first, but I did notice louder fan noise. I talked to someone who lives in SLC and has over 4,000 hours on their W1070 without using high altitude mode. I have 1200 hours with no problems.
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I live in South Jordan and I don't use high altitude mode. I used it at first, but I did notice louder fan noise. I talked to someone who lives in SLC and has over 4,000 hours on their W1070 without using high altitude mode. I have 1200 hours with no problems.

You ever have it shutoff due to heat??

Mine shutoff and every button turned red
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I have never had it shut off due to heat. My projector is usually on all day on weekends and never had it over heat.

What firmware version are you running. Make sure you are on 1.08

How long have you had your unit? I would return it if it was a recent purchase.
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I have had it for two weeks. I think it is running 1.07 firmware. I just bought it from amazon.

Is there an easy way to upgrade the firmware to 1.08?

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If you do a search on this thread, there is a detailed instructions on how to upgrade the firmware. Follow the instructions closely and you should be all right.
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Thanks Bro. I will mess with it this weekend. I turned the high altitude mode off last night when we watched Ethan Hawke in The Getaway & Jackass Bad Grandpa.
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Thanks Bro. I will mess with it this weekend. I turned the high altitude mode off last night when we watched Ethan Hawke in The Getaway & Jackass Bad Grandpa.

Unless you're confident you know what you're doing, don't mess with the firmware, you can brick your projector. And I don't think we even know yet what the advantages of 1.08 vs 1.07 are.

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Why is the firmware such a big deal on projectors or is it just BenQ. I dont see the point of making it hard to upgrade or keeping it under lock and key. Seems counter productive to the consumer. I am to the point where I can send it back to amazon and have another one sent. This runs their costs up.

very interesting dynamic they have created with poor design on the software side.
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Why is the firmware such a big deal on projectors or is it just BenQ. I dont see the point of making it hard to upgrade or keeping it under lock and key. Seems counter productive to the consumer. I am to the point where I can send it back to amazon and have another one sent. This runs their costs up.

very interesting dynamic they have created with poor design on the software side.

Totally disagree, The great thing is that Benq does update the firmware when issues are reported. Most TV manufactures ignore small issues that pop up or fix the problem in newer models. I do agree that there could be an easier way to upgrade the firmware from the net. It is also not just Benq. JVC projectors which can cost as much as 10 times the price just had a firmware update to fix a handshake problem.
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Totally disagree, The great thing is that Benq does update the firmware when issues are reported. Most TV manufactures ignore small issues that pop up or fix the problem in newer models. I do agree that there could be an easier way to upgrade the firmware from the net. It is also not just Benq. JVC projectors which can cost as much as 10 times the price just had a firmware update to fix a handshake problem.

anything tech that can brick because of a basic firmware update is a bad design.

I should be able to download from their website put on usb thumb-drive plug and play.
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anything tech that can brick because of a basic firmware update is a bad design.

I should be able to download from their website put on usb thumb-drive plug and play.

I agree, but Benq does not want the end user to do the firmware updates themselves. These updates have all be leaked thanks to other members.
Oppo and some other Blu-Ray manufactures do have usb thumb-drive updates along with doing it from the network.
I am happy to have gotten the leaked updates since it has really improved my projector. If one follows the instructions the chances of bricking the projector are actually small.
However, One does have to have basic computer knowledge to do the update.
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I agree, but Benq does not want the end user to do the firmware updates themselves. These updates have all be leaked thanks to other members.
Oppo and some other Blu-Ray manufactures do have usb thumb-drive updates along with doing it from the network.
I am happy to have gotten the leaked updates since it has really improved my projector. If one follows the instructions the chances of bricking the projector are actually small.
However, One does have to have basic computer knowledge to do the update.

I will take your word for it. I have updated bios on motherboards, so I am not very worried.

If I knew 1.08 would solve my overheating problems then I would jump all over it, but since there aren't release notes and detailed help it isnt worth it. Also, I dont want to void my warranty and be out $800 bucks.

I am going to keep high altitude mode off for the next few days and see if it happens again. If it does then I will send it back to amazon and get a replacement. It puzzles me that updating the firmware should be something the end users are able to do themselves. Especially if it can really improve the projector like you stated. BenQ must have a software issue that causes this to not be a super simple process.

Thanks for your input. I guess I am just used to more user friendly tech.
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I just received my Peerless PRG-UNV from Amazon. I have a question about it. I did not expect the mount to be this heavy. The question is I took apart the universal spider pieces so I just have the small mounting plate. Can I make a small custom mounting plate for the bottom of the Benq so it eliminates the universal spider thing? There is also a small vent or something on the bottom, should I cut out an area if I make a plate or leave it?







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I just received my Peerless PRG-UNV from Amazon. I have a question about it. I did not expect the mount to be this heavy. The question is I took apart the universal spider pieces so I just have the small mounting plate. Can I make a small custom mounting plate for the bottom of the Benq so it eliminates the universal spider thing? There is also a small vent or something on the bottom, should I cut out an area if I make a plate or leave it?






You can make a custom plate for the Peerless, but if you are ceiling-mounting it (as opposed to pipe mounting), you will lose the ability to adjust yaw via the universal mount.

You should definitely leave space for the vent, either by cutting out an area or by spacing your custom mounting plate with spacers or creating feet as part of your mount. Assuming the body of the projector gets warm and needs to radiate heat, you're probably better served spacing your custom plate than mounting it snugly and cutting out an area.

If you're going to make a custom plate, the crucial thing is to balance the projector as perfectly as possible, that will make it easy to adjust and less likely to change its position over time.

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You can make a custom plate for the Peerless, but if you are ceiling-mounting it (as opposed to pipe mounting), you will lose the ability to adjust yaw via the universal mount.

You should definitely leave space for the vent, either by cutting out an area or by spacing your custom mounting plate with spacers or creating feet as part of your mount. Assuming the body of the projector gets warm and needs to radiate heat, you're probably better served spacing your custom plate than mounting it snugly and cutting out an area.

If you're going to make a custom plate, the crucial thing is to balance the projector as perfectly as possible, that will make it easy to adjust and less likely to change its position over time.

Thanks, the way I need to mount it is kind off weird. So I will keep in mind to be able to turn the mount also. Plus I'm going to put a left and right adjustment in there too. The Peerless is aluminum for the gear mechanism and small plate pictured. But the circle plate and arms are steel and heavy. So I think I'm going to make a plate out of thin oak or aluminum. I will put small nylon spacers between the 1070 and the plate. Also cut out that vent or whatever it is.


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Thanks, the way I need to mount it is kind off weird. So I will keep in mind to be able to turn the mount also. Plus I'm going to put a left and right adjustment in there too. The Peerless is aluminum for the gear mechanism and small plate pictured. But the circle plate and arms are steel and heavy. So I think I'm going to make a plate out of thin oak or aluminum. I will put small nylon spacers between the 1070 and the plate. Also cut out that vent or whatever it is.

I vote aluminum, even if our projector only weighs a few pounds. Good call on the nylon spacers, if you want to get fancy you can create feet that bend down, which is what mount companies that offer custom mounts do, that'd be a bit more robust than long screws inside nylon spacers, but both seem reasonable. Makes sense to also cut out a vent, might as well maximize airflow. Good call on left/right adjustment (i.e. yaw), it's crazy that Peerless engineers such nice geared adjustments in the other directions, but nothing for yaw.

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u can do something like this instead of the universal spider thingy
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u can do something like this instead of the universal spider thingy

That's what I was just looking at one google images.

By making the plate it will also make a cleaner installation without all that arm clutter. I'm going to save the arms for future use, possibly bigger projector.


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I vote aluminum, even if our projector only weighs a few pounds. Good call on the nylon spacers, if you want to get fancy you can create feet that bend down, which is what mount companies that offer custom mounts do, that'd be a bit more robust than long screws inside nylon spacers, but both seem reasonable. Makes sense to also cut out a vent, might as well maximize airflow. Good call on left/right adjustment (i.e. yaw), it's crazy that Peerless engineers such nice geared adjustments in the other directions, but nothing for yaw.

Is about 1-2 inch enough yaw? If so the way I'm mounting it will allow about that much. The adjustment is in the peerless mounting slots for the ceiling. But I'm mounting mine to a wood shelf plate. So I'm using thru bolts that I can loosen to shift for yaw. Sound like a plan? Boy plans change all the time, going another way now, lol.

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Is about 1-2 inch enough yaw? If so the way I'm mounting it will allow about that much. The adjustment is in the peerless mounting slots for the ceiling. But I'm mounting mine to a wood shelf plate. So I'm using thru bolts that I can loosen to shift for yaw. Sound like a plan? Boy plans change all the time, going another way now, lol.

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You just need a few degrees of yaw, enough to be able to align the projector perfectly parallel with the screen. Peerless expects you to loosen those bolts and then retighten them, as you're proposing. If you need, say, two degrees of yaw to get things perfect, this seems a lot less slick than the geared knobs they provide for the other two dimensions, but it's doable.

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You just need a few degrees of yaw, enough to be able to align the projector perfectly parallel with the screen. Peerless expects you to loosen those bolts and then retighten them, as you're proposing. If you need, say, two degrees of yaw to get things perfect, this seems a lot less slick than the geared knobs they provide for the other two dimensions, but it's doable.

Thanks, I guess that's why they are circular slotted out. They could have put in a gear one too. Other than that it seams like its built well.

I will post pictures after install. I hope this weekend.


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Thanks, I guess that's why they are circular slotted out. They could have put in a gear one too. Other than that it seams like its built well.

I will post pictures after install. I hope this weekend.

Agreed, other than the yaw issue it's a really well engineered and constructed mount. Too bad we live in a three-dimensional world, not a two-dimensional one. smile.gif And as you mentioned, loosening the bolts should work, even if it's less slick than the gears.

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