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Contrast Comparisons
First I'm assuming (at this price and size) the W1070 4247:1 contrast is true native without the use of a dynamic iris or electronic contrast enhancement (you gotta take into account TI's latest image processing)

Mitsubishi HC7800D 3D DLP Full-On/Full-Off Contrast Ratio: 3,646:1 with dynamic iris on Auto 2
Shame on Home Theater Magazine for not reporting the TRUE native contrast in several recent measurements

BenQ W7000 3D DLP 650:1 DynamicBlack control off
No wonder everyone says it looks great with bright scenes (only)

Sharp XV-Z30000 3D DLP 1722:1 auto iris turned off

Further there are color calibration have issues, from mild on the BenQ to horrific on the Sharp

Its humorous that the Sony 50ES and the BenQ W1070 outflank the more expensive models, even in their own stable.
Its not too often that i fell sorry for the sales guys wink.gif
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There is no dynamic iris on the BenQ W1070 so the measure is native smile.gif
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The latest LCD/SXRD projectors have higher On/Off (measure all white, then all black) contrast. So will they look better?

The reality is there are other types of contrast which are important, but seldom measured in reviews. One is ANSI contrast (checkerboard)

ANSI contrast can reach as highs of 800:1 in DLP projectors and typically between 50:1 to 200:1 in liquid crystal displays.
This is a major reason why DLP projectors have there own signature, as there is less interference or cross talking between pixels.
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There is no dynamic iris on the BenQ W1070 so the measure is native smile.gif
Thought so, but didn't want to assume.
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Mitsubishi HC7800D 3D DLP Full-On/Full-Off Contrast Ratio: 3,646:1 with dynamic iris on Auto 2
Shame on Home Theater Magazine for not reporting the TRUE native contrast in several recent measurements

This is clearly a mistake. There's no way HC7800D does only 3600:1 with dynamic iris. Other reviewers (a lot) report 8-10 000. It's either a native value, or maybe just a faulty unit.


Still, if W1070 really achieves 4247:1 native, its really impressive. Almost too good to be true for such a cheap projector. Especially considering it's a DLP.
Kraine, you sure your measurements are correct? Did you compare it with some mid-level pj, such as HC7800 (with iris off), or similar ? Is W1070 outperforms it in real life , not just on paper?
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I'm confused. Is it FullHD 3D? Or just FullHD 2D/ 720p 3D? What does "3D Ready" mean?
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This projector is a full hd 2D and 3D model. I'm also confident with my measures and you can compare the results of native contraste here between the 2 projectors (HC7800/W1070)

HC7800 :

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/tests/315-Mitsubishi-HC7800D-5.html

W1070 :

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/tests/344-Benq-W1070-5.html
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Kraine, I've read them, that's why I wonder, does this difference in measurements really translate into real-life advantage of Benq picture?
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What I remember from the H7800D is that it deliver a less sharper picture than the W1070, but that's all I can tell from now. I didn't compare them side by side (sadly I don't keep all the projectors that I review wink.gif).
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Why I'm asking: Over a years, even top DLPs struggled to reach native contrast over 2000-3000, without a lot of success. Now cheap Benq easily gets 4200? If this is true.. all I can say is "wow". Could this be an effect of new TI chipset?

Maybe we are seeing the long awaited break-through in DLP technology? Native 10000:1 in mid/top models? (just dreaming)

By the way, as I read the new Mitsubishi HC8000D also uses this new TI chipset. Kraine, do you plan on testing it?
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Only bummer I'm seeing is lack of a VESA 3 pin din for external 3D sync transmitter. Only DLP link support.

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Any idea / word on a US release for the Benq W1070?

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Any idea / word on a US release for the Benq W1070?
Id love to know also since this is a contender with the pro8200 for my man cave/movie room

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Any idea / word on a US release for the Benq W1070?

+1 for me also..Would love to know When & If it will be sold in USA ???
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I submitted an e-mail to BenQ USA regarding the release of the W1070 but have not heard back as of yet.

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Just as I was ready to buy a Viewsonic pro8200 this month this comes out! Now im confused, lol. I dont care much for 3D but if this thing will deliver better blacks then the VS Pro8200 I might reconsider... looks like this is 10,000: 1 contrast ratio. Is that correct ? Certainly cant be for the price right? VS Pro8200 is 4000:1 I believe.
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Thanks Kraine for the fantastic review!

Also thanks above to the AVS member who asked Benq USA.

One question I have is what kind of DLP Link flash is used for the glasses sync, is it a RED flash (better for preserving contrast), or a WHITE flash (a little more washed out).

Not sure if this is easy to find this out as it probably is invisible to the naked eye.
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Not 100% sure, but I think I read somewhere, that the red flash can be seen if you remove your 3D glasses during a 3D movie.
And if it uses a white flash the screen will look washed-out with the glasses removed.
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I think that it's a white flash that helps the synchronisation with the DLP-LINK Glasses.

Here a little gift, the W1070 User Manual in English :

ftp://files.benq.eu/projector/manuals/w1070/w1070_en.pdf
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By the way, as I read the new Mitsubishi HC8000D also uses this new TI chipset. Kraine, do you plan on testing it?

If it comes to Europe yes of course.
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Thanks for the answer to my question. White flash means that the room will light up a bit more if the walls are not painted dark.

Now its just a matter of if this beast will come to NA. Please Benq, do it!
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I've done a bit more investigating and learned that the 5000:1 W1060 was introduced about this time last year and is being discontinued at Fry's.
For this year BenQ kept the same chassis, added 3D and DC3 along with the new and improved TI chipset.
All at the same price. Not bad rolleyes.gif


Noticed this little jab at the liquid crystal color degradation over time:

Virtually Color Decay-Free
The DLP engine is virtually immune to color decay, delivering an extended lifespan of reliable color performance without developing a yellow or green tint overtime.
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A juicy scoop with the W1070:

Vertical Scan Rate: 23-120Hz
With no frame interpolation the lag should be at least ok. It needs to be measured.
Maybe with my 3570K i5 HTPC i can set the frame rate beyond 60Hz for the first time and then set PowerDVD to do frame interpolation.eek.gif

Horizontal Frequency 15K-102KHz <-- also higher
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A juicy scoop with the W1070:
Vertical Scan Rate: 23-120Hz
With no frame interpolation the lag should be at least ok. It needs to be measured.
Maybe with my 3570K i5 HTPC i can set the frame rate beyond 60Hz for the first time and then set PowerDVD to do frame interpolation.eek.gif
Horizontal Frequency 15K-102KHz <-- also higher
Hi,
did'nt realise powerdvds Powerdvd's True Theatre Motion worked for a 3d bluray?
You'll be able to set 720p 120hz but you'll still have a 24fps movie so there's nothing todo the interpolation frown.gif.

You could use a 3d sbs ect 1080p 3d file or a 2d film and then boost it to 60/120fps_hz using Smooth Video Project, this will give whats needed and supply a smooth image wink.gif
Svp is an amazing thing to watch on a large scren, smooth as butter smile.gif

Svp in 2d will boost the fps to a true 120fps at 720p, looks fri=ggin amazing wink.gif
3d will boost it to 60fps and with the added 120hz through the glasses you have virtually zero blur on panning shots.

I was going to get the benq w7000 so i did'nt have to have my pc on but this pj looks like it has a better price performance ratio but it does'nt include frame interpolation, no worrys though as i'll use Svp wink.gif for all my films.

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FWIW, I talked to a Benq USA sales rep today and he or she told me that the W1070 will be released at the end of 2012 or early 2013.
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If it comes to Europe yes of course.

Did you notice any headaches or rainbows from the 3x color wheel? This projector has some great potential, but I am skeptical that I can view it without the discomfort typical of slower color wheels.
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HDMI 1.4b was released on October 11, 2011. One of the new features is that it adds support to 1080p video at 120 Hz

How high can the 2D frame rate be? Some monitors go up to 85Hz...
Traditionally HDTV displays only accept up to 60Hz, then internally upscale the frame rate to 120, 240 or even 480Hz frame rates, with or without interpolation.

4K UHDTV Frame Rate
120p (120.00 Hz exactly) is a progressive format and is standardized for UHDTV (4K) by the ITU-R BT.2020 recommendation. It will be the single global "double-precision" frame rate for UHDTV (instead of using 100 Hz for PAL-based countries and 119.88 Hz for NTSC-based countries).
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Any idea of the exact msrp price for the US? Im really considering waiting to get this over the Viewsonic pro8200 is the price is right. A little concerned about the possible RBE though...
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HDMI 1.4b was released on October 11, 2011. One of the new features is that it adds support to 1080p video at 120 Hz

120p (120.00 Hz exactly) is a progressive format and is standardized for UHDTV (4K) by the ITU-R BT.2020 recommendation. It will be the single global "double-precision" frame rate for UHDTV (instead of using 100 Hz for PAL-based countries and 119.88 Hz for NTSC-based countries).

So this pj will do 1080p/120hz?
I think it does 1080p/60hz frame packing?
I dno, hopefully somebody will be able to tell me more.

1080p/60hz frame packing has more input lag than 1080p/120hz 3d, being a gamer the pass through of 120hz 3d with no need for 3d proccessing has the lowest input lag for 3d gaming.

Looks like it will do 1080p 60hz in 3d according to what i read in the manual, that sounds fun smile.gif, but does it do 1080p 120hz?
Highest real hz/res seems tobe 1280x800 119.909hz

Would be nice to use a hacked edid for 3dvision to get 1080p/120hz with a big screen.

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Well looks like this projector wont work for HP owners. Only option is still the Benq w7000 for DLP.
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