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Any optical or geometric issues when the adjustment is set to one of the limits.
Not other than what I already mentioned.

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youre right, i live in europe and with tv i dont see rbe (50hz) but my sony s390 i can disable the 24p and that way, show in 60hz (bds) but im not losing image quality? i think i see more rbe with smart eco on thant in eco mode.
ps, the star wars was with 24p, i need to see it again in 60hz (50hz aint possibe)
I live in the UK. My LG blu-Ray player can output either 24 or 60 fps. I notice a lot more rainbows on 24 than on 60. Now I know why. I occasionally see the rainbow effect mostly on night scenes where there are lights in the background. It's not enough to really bother me anyway.

I don't notice any difference in quality between the 2 modes
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I live in the UK. My LG blu-Ray player can output either 24 or 60 fps. I notice a lot more rainbows on 24 than on 60. Now I know why.
Yeah, that's exactly why. It also turns out that 50hz is quite a bit faster. But 60hz is perfect for most people

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Yeah, that's exactly why. It also turns out that 50hz is quite a bit faster. But 60hz is perfect for most people
That's useful info. Thanks

And I meant Hz rather than fps (if there's a difference)
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That's useful info. Thanks



And I meant Hz rather than fps (if there's a difference)

No problem. Nope, they're the same thing

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I snagged a W1070 during the recent NeweggFlash sale, but noticed some characteristics in my projected image that I wasn't sure if they warranted an exchange. I took some photos as daylight was coming on and I don't have blackout curtains so excuse the quality. I'm also projecting on my textured wall until my blackout liner arrives Wednesday and I build a screen.



First, I noticed what I've come to learning is called "chromatic aberration", and seen some people cite it as normal at this price range, and even specifically shown it on a W1070. Is this something that would be virtually impossible to avoid and I should expect in any replacement?



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Second, it appears that the left side of my projected image is slightly dimmer than the right, with the brightest being just right of center at the bottom. I looked at a lot of peoples photos for months and never noticed complaints of this or saw any obvious unevenness, so I wonder if mine is particularly defective or if this is again something that's considered typical/acceptable. I'm not sure, but the left side even seems maybe slightly softer in focus or even a tiny bit skewed.



Thirdly, I discovered black, white, and green clipping. This pic was taken when it was getting quite bright out so you can hardly see the blue but it's there. The green is a solid bright green - no steps of shade at all. I've seen only a couple people ask about black and white clipping that got vague responses about it possibly being the source, but earlier in this thread, I found a couple people talking about it. One said it was normal with this projector, I guess, and the other was reporting they they actually had no clipping (BenQ W1070 : DLP Full HD, 3D Ready with lens-shift for 1000$). I read elsewhere that this might be an Nvidia issue to which there might be some registry edit that could circumvent their glitchy controls. My source is my Windows 7 PC through a GTX 650 ti. Nobody else mentioned color clipping like my green, which further makes me wonder if my projector has a special problem beyond normal.



Lastly, I'm not sure if my walls are not level in my apartment or not, but the top of the projected image seems straight, and the right side seems pretty parallel to the right wall, but obviously the left side isn't. I put a level on the table I have the projector on and it reads level. Adjusting the angle and moving side to side always brings me to this position, so I guess it's square with the wall as can be...

So, does this all seem within typical/acceptable quality, or should I return for a replacement within the 30 day window from NeweggFlash? I'm new to projectors so I thought I could use opinions from an experienced community. Thanks.
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Yeah, that's exactly why. It also turns out that 50hz is quite a bit faster. But 60hz is perfect for most people
the "problem" is that i cant choose (in bds) 50hz, just 24p on or off (60hz)
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There is normally nothing to choose

Blu ray Movies are 24 fps, the US-DVDs are thank to the awful 3:2 Pulldown 60 Hz and the European DVDs are thanks to the PAL-Speedup 50 Hz.

These Numbers are played automatically by any decent Player, to manually change these Numbers will get the crappy 3:2 Pulldown again or a studded missed Frames etc.. while playing.

If somebody can't live with the really reduced to the max RBE of the W1070 should trade any single-Chip-DLP for a LCD/SXRD/D-ILA.
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Still need to finish cleaning up the wires in my av shelves, ordered shorter cables for the projector in the ceiling and the subs are not in place so I have a empty 18" box, my currently 15" sub and the other 18" box is hiding in the corner.
Overall I was blown away with the clarity of the projector especially for 699 bucks. I havent watched a full movie on it yet, played some video games for a few minutes and both looked fantastic. Pictures are not very great, the rooms super dark with two black walls and two grey walls and I was to lazy to take out the nikon. I did all the work myself (aside from a few minutes of help from a friend picking up the screen and pulling the wires that I fished out for me) in under a week. I bought the projector on a Sunday and finished the room on a a friday. Painted walls and trim, removed existing tv and mount, built shelving, stained them, installed them. Moved my 4 block speaker terminal up, installed another 5 block terminal, and two HDMI wall plugs, ran all the wires for 5 speakers on the other side of the room (f,r,c,2 subs), moved and remounted my front high's, setup and installed the screen, built a bracket in the attic to hold the projector on and mounted that. Manged to get it relatively center on the screen and the correct distance (11'.4'') away. Installed the wiring for the power box in the ceiling and had my dad do the actual wiring ( not afraid to run the wires, didn't feel comfortable doing the splicing into an existing line). Tried to setup my speakers, still on the fence about the pioneer sc-71. I have to turn it up to -0 to get what I would consider normal listening volume. It might be going back soon. Once my subs arive and are in place I will probably build a stand for the center channel to match. The ikea coffee table works for now but I am not in love with it.


Nice setup, what screen are you using?
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Nice setup, what screen are you using?

Thanks, Its an elite screen I got it on amazon. It looks great IMO and setting it up was easy. Installing it on the wall was difficult they give very little insight as to how you get it to hang over the bottom mounts. I ended up taking them off the wall and just using velco to insure it didnt sway.

Room looks a little better now, I actually blew the 15" sub on the right in the pic. Still awaiting my SI drivers as well. I upgraded my receiver to an x4000 and picked up my materials for acoustic panels today.

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I discovered black, white, and green clipping. This pic was taken when it was getting quite bright out so you can hardly see the blue but it's there. The green is a solid bright green - no steps of shade at all.

I don't think this is the video card: I've noticed the same thing on non-Nvidia hardware.

It seems specific to that calibration pattern: all I did was (strangely) toggle Color Temperature on the projector to something else, then toggled it back, and it was sorted - green stepped perfectly thereafter.

If I were to take a wild guess, I'd suspect it's related somehow to the video processor in the projector when handling this particular calibration pattern. No idea why since it's not an issue with any other patterns.

Not that the out-the-box picture needs all that much calibrating, mind :-)

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Hey everyone,

Picked up this projector not too long ago. Very cool. Had a question I'm hoping you guys could answer.

If I project off a table below the screen, is there any difference to the image quality than if it was ceiling mounted? - assuming same distance and screen.

Also, what if I was using a grey screen with this projector - does that change the answer?

Thanks!
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If I project off a table below the screen, is there any difference to the image quality than if it was ceiling mounted? - assuming same distance and screen.
None whatsoever: it's the same electronics projecting the same image via the same optics - just upside down.

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Also, what if I was using a grey screen with this projector - does that change the answer?

Nope, same answer. In effect, grey just reduces black level (a good thing) at the expense of brightness (a bad thing).

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Thanks, Its an elite screen I got it on amazon. It looks great IMO and setting it up was easy. Installing it on the wall was difficult they give very little insight as to how you get it to hang over the bottom mounts. I ended up taking them off the wall and just using velco to insure it didnt sway.

Room looks a little better now, I actually blew the 15" sub on the right in the pic. Still awaiting my SI drivers as well. I upgraded my receiver to an x4000 and picked up my materials for acoustic panels today.
As long as the top mounts can carry the weight I think velcro is a clever solution.

What's the screen size? May I ask how much you paid for the screen?
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The top mounts hold it fine, I made sure to put both top mounts into a stud on the wall. I didn't have a fancy laser level so it took some time getting everything straight. If you can borrow one from a friend it will make life much easier.

I went with the elite screen because the reviews said it was good and I had the ability to easily return it if I had an issue. Additionally the wait time of delivery was much better, 2 days instead of a month or so compared to some other vendors I researched for similarly priced screens.

I paid 324.99 for the screen + sales tax because my state sucks like that.

Its a good screen, you just have to be careful of the edges as its painted on not fabric like some other. This I was willing to look past, I made sure to be extra careful when handling it for hanging.

I made 6 acoustic treatments and hung them. I will post some pics later.
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The top mounts hold it fine, I made sure to put both top mounts into a stud on the wall. I didn't have a fancy laser level so it took some time getting everything straight. If you can borrow one from a friend it will make life much easier.

I went with the elite screen because the reviews said it was good and I had the ability to easily return it if I had an issue. Additionally the wait time of delivery was much better, 2 days instead of a month or so compared to some other vendors I researched for similarly priced screens.

I paid 324.99 for the screen + sales tax because my state sucks like that.

Its a good screen, you just have to be careful of the edges as its painted on not fabric like some other. This I was willing to look past, I made sure to be extra careful when handling it for hanging.

I made 6 acoustic treatments and hung them. I will post some pics later.
And what's the size? Thanks for the info ;-)
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Its a 120" here's the link.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I got the benq for $699 and the mount for $27 or something. Mounts great, but if I was to buy another I would get one that brought the projector closer to the ceiling just so I would have more clearance for my speakers.

I put the screen on the wall first after getting a rough idea of where the projector would go. I then mounted the projector which was somewhat of a pain. Finding the center point of your screen and then tracing it back down your wall was time consuming and if you have that fancy laser level with the L ruler function then its easy. I ad to rig up something by using rulers and a laser pointer to make sure I got it center. Not very scientific but it worked. The mount also has about an 1-1.5 of left to right movement which helps. As long as you get it pretty centered you can tweak the mount and use lens shift if needed.

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As I had issues with nVidia video card, I switched to ATI. The Denon-PJ setup seems to detect the PC display fine. However I just can't get the display area to fill my 105" screen no matter what. The scaling option in ATI control center is a joke. How do you guys do it?
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Anyone know a good mount that keeps it as close to the ceiling as possible? I only have 7'9" ceilings so I need to be as flush as possible.

It's hard to love Martin Logans and 2.35:1 CIH at the same time...
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Hey everyone,

Picked up this projector not too long ago. Very cool. Had a question I'm hoping you guys could answer.

If I project off a table below the screen, is there any difference to the image quality than if it was ceiling mounted? - assuming same distance and screen.

Also, what if I was using a grey screen with this projector - does that change the answer?

Thanks!
You get some change with a normal reflective screen vs. a retro-reflective screen (the light bounces in a straight line or goes back to the source)

With a normal reflective screen, you theoretically can get more brightness from a ceiling mount (depending on all the angles) and vice versa with a retro-reflective + a table mount.

For low gains though (.95/1.3) it probably just doesn't matter. The old Da-lite High Power (2.5 gain retro reflective) it could make a difference but that screen was nuclear bright no matter what. I loved that screen. Rejected ambient light very well

It's hard to love Martin Logans and 2.35:1 CIH at the same time...
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Acoustic Panels. I really should have put one up on the ceiling but it was late and I decided that was to much work. SO I threw an extra on the side wall.






Still no subs :-(
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Hi guys, I am going to attempt to create some manual masking for my 82" screen this weekend and I wanted to share what I'm going to do and then whether or not it works after I'm done.

I got a 50% off coupon at Joann Fabrics and bought 2 yards of their top-tier premium velvet, and with the 82" screen, the 72 inch width is going to work out nicely for several other items. I went to a hardware store on a whim (next to Joann, so it was convenient) and I bought two six foot (72") 1/4" x 1" aluminum bars. I also have some velcro and may be purchasing glue.

The idea is this:

I'm going to create a pocket in the velvet for the aluminum bars and they will be the straight-edge that keeps the masking in place. On the inside of the bezel of my screen, I'm going to place a strip of velcro and then put velcro on the end of the aluminum bars. This way, the masking will be variable for slightly different aspect ratios. I'm also thinking that I'm going to attach the velvet to the bottom and top of the screen frame with velcro so that the masking can be completely removed if necessary (not that it would be, but just in case).

All in all, this is going to cost me about $50-$75 (slightly more if I didn't have the coupon) and a small amount of getting up to place the masking for Scope movies.

If it works out I'll try and share some pics. Basically, the idea was to go as simple as possible, yet remain variable (for those few movies in odd aspect ratios), and be super cheap (compared to a "real" masking system).

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Hi guys, I am going to attempt to create some manual masking for my 82" screen this weekend and I wanted to share what I'm going to do and then whether or not it works after I'm done.

I got a 50% off coupon at Joann Fabrics and bought 2 yards of their top-tier premium velvet, and with the 82" screen, the 72 inch width is going to work out nicely for several other items. I went to a hardware store on a whim (next to Joann, so it was convenient) and I bought two six foot (72") 1/4" x 1" aluminum bars. I also have some velcro and may be purchasing glue.

The idea is this:

I'm going to create a pocket in the velvet for the aluminum bars and they will be the straight-edge that keeps the masking in place. On the inside of the bezel of my screen, I'm going to place a strip of velcro and then put velcro on the end of the aluminum bars. This way, the masking will be variable for slightly different aspect ratios. I'm also thinking that I'm going to attach the velvet to the bottom and top of the screen frame with velcro so that the masking can be completely removed if necessary (not that it would be, but just in case).

All in all, this is going to cost me about $50-$75 (slightly more if I didn't have the coupon) and a small amount of getting up to place the masking for Scope movies.

If it works out I'll try and share some pics. Basically, the idea was to go as simple as possible, yet remain variable (for those few movies in odd aspect ratios), and be super cheap (compared to a "real" masking system).
What a smart idea. Would love to see some pictures if you can post them when you've made it.
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Anyone know a good mount that keeps it as close to the ceiling as possible? I only have 7'9" ceilings so I need to be as flush as possible.
I use this one and it's great:-

Universal Ceiling Projector Wall Mount With 15 Degree Tilt - Supports up to 44lbs (Black)

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00J0GZ1CM/...50tb01DPFG1EVN
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I use this one and it's great:-

Universal Ceiling Projector Wall Mount With 15 Degree Tilt - Supports up to 44lbs (Black)

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00J0GZ1CM/...50tb01DPFG1EVN

This one worked for me

http://www.mountdirect.com/LFM_Proje...lack_p/lfm.htm
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Hi all, long time lurker, I'm about to pull the trigger for this benq w1070, I'coming from the vivitek qumi q2 (don't laugh ok? lol) so my question is how big of a jump is from my good old Q2 to the W1070 in terms of blacks, color, contrast, etc? I'm projecting to a 106 inch screen.
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Velvet & Velcro Adjustable Masking

So, for anyone interested, this project took about 4.5 hours and some minor cursing and a crushing headache, but in the end looks pretty good. I also was helped by my extremely patient girlfriend and used some borrowed quilting tools from my aunt.

The aluminum bars were less thick than I thought in my earlier post and were 1/8 x 1/2"

The process started with cutting the velvet into the masking strips. A key hint from my aunt (who quilts) was that I fold over the fabric so that I only had to cut once and have both sides of the masking set. Another issue was the length of the masking: my modestly sized 82" screen requires 6' of fabric and I didn't even have a table long enough to work on. Cutting in sections meant that the fabric was less than square (though when we looked at it, clearly the clerk who cut the fabric in the first place didn't even make a square edge, so my suggestion is to maybe get an extra 2 inches so you can square the edges on the sides). Either way, I still can't cut straight to save my life, so my aunt's cutting board helped greatly (but I am impatient and overzealous and it still didn't turn out perfectly).

Next, we bought a giant roll of 5 yards of velcro, and only ended up using about 2. We created a pocket on the edge of the fabric (so the masking strips, which needed to only cover 5" of the screen were actually almost 10" wide) and used velcro to hold the aluminum bar in place. My advice here is to also take your time and make sure the aluminum sits straight and that you can get the fabric tight against it, otherwise it will try and sag and/or have scrunches on the edge that sits against the screen.

We also attached the top masking to the top of the screen using velcro and it holds up there quite nicely. We then placed velcro on the inside edge of the bezel (the fuzzy side, because I think the "sharp" side would be too reflective) and placed a piece of velcro at each end of the aluminum rod: this helps keep it in place as well as being adjustable, and it helps cover the ends of the silver aluminum in case your fabric doesn't come all the way.

One of the issues that we had when the top was attached was getting it to stay up via rolling it, so we devised a system of a rubber band and a picture nail that holds the velvet in place in the open, 1.78:1, position.

The bottom piece was a little bit trickier in getting it to stay on the frame, as the top piece is held to the screen by the top edge full of velcro, but the bottom only had the very ends of the aluminum to keep it up (and that was not nearly enough). So, we created longer strips of velcro on each side and the bottom needs to be attached on the entire edge of the velvet. And then the problem actually became that the aluminum bar wasn't quite rigid enough over the 6' span and sagged in the middle. What we did there was (and sorry about no pictures of this part) attached 4 wooden pencils at the center point, pushing against the aluminum bar, and we placed another strip of velcro along the bottom of the screen frame and on the bottom of the pencils, both to hold the pencils together and to add another anchor point for the masking to the screen. The pencils worked wonderfully.

At the end of the day, I am happy with how it looks now and everyone that's seen the masking says that the image has a lot more pop and just looks better in general.
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I just bought this projector today after reading through info on this site. For installation I have a distance of 3350 (from lens to screen) My only problem is; our ceiling lamp shade would be in the way for a ceiling install, and our L shaped sofa would not allow a floor install too. I'm assuming it is possible to install it on a shelf maybe halfway up the wall just above the sofa back? If I done this - would I have raise the back of the projector and use keystone correction? I only just got looking into projectors last night, so I'm making sure I understand what I'm doing.


I assumed that an ideal install would be parallel to the exact middle of the screen (for me, at mid height on my back wall) but obviously the lens must be designed to project on a skew and mainly for ceiling/floor installation.


I'm still not sure which screen to go for too. beaded white, matt white and grey. The projector screen will be 120", motorised and mounted in front of our sitting room window - This will block out most incoming light. The only downside is we have a matt white ceiling, cream walls and light brown carpet. So maybe we'll get light bouncing back onto the screen from the ceiling/walls? Anyone else been in the same boat as me? I was very tempted with a grey screen after reading they help the blacks a lot. My only worry with the grey screen was getting good whites - which to me would seem to be just as important as the blacks. Matt white was the conclusion I came to last night. But today I thought it might try and run this past experienced users.


Any info/help would be greatly appreciated.


Oh, I just opened the projector box, i noticed the remote is actually backlit? The review I read mentioned that this was the only problem, the remote wasn't backlit... They clearly must have amended this issue then - When did they do this?
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Made my own masking the other day, i used roll up / roll down curtain hanger ( manually ) using 8"H felt cloth for my 115" in PJ screen ( for the upper black border only and i change the x/y height to eliminate the lower black).

And use the excess felt cloth for the screen wall. Now, the PQ and contrast is much better w/ less reflections from side walls. Soon will be the ceiling near the screen :P


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I bought a 60" e class vizio to replace my living room tv and I tell u what my w1070 blows the vizio leds color and clarity away.
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