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The pro8200 is almost 3 years old and has a contrast ratio of only 4500:1. The bargain is theW1070. Far after the 8200 is off the market, I'll be buying another W1070 and returning my used one as new defective. Then, I'll still have a very good projector, brand new with all the bells and whistles..... While you're shopping for another "bargain"~!!


Because it's old doesn't mean it sucks.

You can pick it up now for MSRP, and I'll pick it up a few months later for $200-300 less than what you paid for it.

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Then, what's the point of an upscaler?

To upscale cable or any 720p/1080i broadcast to 1080p. Basically, if you watch a blu ray on a 720p projector, then on a 1080p projector, the 1080p projector will look better. So, if you watch a 720p/1080i broadcast on a 720p projector, then watch that same broadcast upscaled to 1080p on a 1080p projector, the 1080p projector will look better. In my experience, a 1080p projector will look much better.
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To upscale cable or any 720p/1080i broadcast to 1080p. Basically, if you watch a blu ray on a 720p projector, then on a 1080p projector, the 1080p projector will look better. So, if you watch a 720p/1080i broadcast on a 720p projector, then watch that same broadcast upscaled to 1080p on a 1080p projector, the 1080p projector will look better. In my experience, a 1080p projector will look much better.

OK, got ya, we were on the wrong page. I thought you were trying to tell me how to get the most out of the MW519.

Like we had discussed, the 1070 likely wouldn't be good in a semi-daylight lit room. As such, the 519 is likely the better bet at half the price. I have a 3D 65" Plasma for movie watching.... which I'm fine with. I just wanted the best value for an open concept with cathedral ceilings and full of people to watch instead of huddling around the 65" for the big game, etc. 90% of the people will be 15+ feet back from the screen, so most likely wouldn't see a difference in resolution anyhow..... With the W1070, most probably couldn't even make out what was on the screen... lol
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To upscale cable or any 720p/1080i broadcast to 1080p. Basically, if you watch a blu ray on a 720p projector, then on a 1080p projector, the 1080p projector will look better. So, if you watch a 720p/1080i broadcast on a 720p projector, then watch that same broadcast upscaled to 1080p on a 1080p projector, the 1080p projector will look better. In my experience, a 1080p projector will look much better.

This is not always the case, many times 720p content can look better on a 720p native display (other aspects being equal).

This is also mostly true for 480i content (SDtv/DVD) which usually looks better on a 480p native display.

Now if you have a high quality processor/scaler in the display or an external higher end scaler then generally the higher resolution display would be superior as long as the other aspects of the image are as good or better than the 720p display (focus, contrast, black level, color accuracy, etc).



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To upscale cable or any 720p/1080i broadcast to 1080p. Basically, if you watch a blu ray on a 720p projector, then on a 1080p projector, the 1080p projector will look better. So, if you watch a 720p/1080i broadcast on a 720p projector, then watch that same broadcast upscaled to 1080p on a 1080p projector, the 1080p projector will look better. In my experience, a 1080p projector will look much better.

Directv HD sports look better on my 720p fp than my 1080p JVC simply because it is brighter with more pop. There is no up scaling done on the 720p like there is on 1080p which can make a difference........in a bad way sometimes.
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This is not always the case, many times 720p content can look better on a 720p native display (other aspects being equal).
This is also mostly true for 480i content (SDtv/DVD) which usually looks better on a 480p native display.
Now if you have a high quality processor/scaler in the display or an external higher end scaler then generally the higher resolution display would be superior as long as the other aspects of the image are as good or better than the 720p display (focus, contrast, black level, color accuracy, etc).

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I just got the Oppo 103 in December to use with my W7000 that I had. I haven't watched anything other than 1080p material on my jvc x55. I'm hoping for the W1070 to get to $850 soon. But maybe it has a lot to do with the Oppo scaling and video processing that makes my cable look so good. Also, I have a HP screen that is 120in and I was getting max gain. With the W7000 giving me 1450 lumens in eco mode, I was getting 80+ ftL. I tried the same setup with my optoma gt720 and my 720p Casio and they were not close to be honest.
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Directv HD sports look better on my 720p fp than my 1080p JVC simply because it is brighter with more pop. There is no up scaling done on the 720p like there is on 1080p which can make a difference........in a bad way sometimes.

I used my old denon and pioneer upscaler in their av receivers with my jvc and it did not give me good results. I used it last year because eshift only worked with 1080p material. It was so bad that I just watched sports on my Acer H5360. Kind of weird that a $400 projector looks similar to a $8000 projector when it comes to 720p sports. The jvc looked slightly better with sports but I wasn't going to waste bulb life on it when the acer can do it just as good. But the Benq really looks that much better that I'm going to have to get the W1070 soon. With the DC3 and the smart eco mode giving it 6000hrs, I'm going to be extremely satisfied.
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OK, got ya, we were on the wrong page. I thought you were trying to tell me how to get the most out of the MW519.
Like we had discussed, the 1070 likely wouldn't be good in a semi-daylight lit room. As such, the 519 is likely the better bet at half the price. I have a 3D 65" Plasma for movie watching.... which I'm fine with. I just wanted the best value for an open concept with cathedral ceilings and full of people to watch instead of huddling around the 65" for the big game, etc. 90% of the people will be 15+ feet back from the screen, so most likely wouldn't see a difference in resolution anyhow..... With the W1070, most probably couldn't even make out what was on the screen... lol

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If your room is not light controlled you may also want to look into a high power screen.

What's a "High power screen"? I have one that has a 1.3 gain.
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I used my old denon and pioneer upscaler in their av receivers with my jvc and it did not give me good results. I used it last year because eshift only worked with 1080p material. It was so bad that I just watched sports on my Acer H5360. Kind of weird that a $400 projector looks similar to a $8000 projector when it comes to 720p sports. The jvc looked slightly better with sports but I wasn't going to waste bulb life on it when the acer can do it just as good. But the Benq really looks that much better that I'm going to have to get the W1070 soon. With the DC3 and the smart eco mode giving it 6000hrs, I'm going to be extremely satisfied.

I use the Benq w710st for sports. I have a HP screen but sit the Benq on a table. This thing is so bright and don't need any gain to enjoy sports. I can sit anywhere in my room and enjoy:)
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Pro - tip from another thread here on AVS Forum, for those of you who use HTPCs and want to see what the latest interpolation filters can achieve on their new Projector (to boost framerate of your videos from 24p/30p -> 60p). It seems higher def to me now, not just smoother. Everything looks better now (to me).

Direct link to try it out (trust me you won't regret it):

http://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Download

I haven't tried it with Blurays yet but I have with a rip of the Avengers in 1080p/24 upped to 60. It is INCREDIBLE. What a sight to behold. The final battle scenes. man, I can't believe how I tolerated 24hz for so long. I hate it. Their control panel also supports upping 3D too. I'll try 1080p/24 frame packed to 1080i/60 SBS or 1080p/30 frame packed and see if it works / makes a difference. I think the diff between 24p and 30p will be pretty big. Every frame counts. Fast paced action, (esp adult material), is waaaaaay better with this filter on. Smoothness is sexy. Fluid motion = win.

I suspect even Disney / Pixar movies will be better off with it.
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Hey rlburnside.....I think I will try that....I've been using splayer as my media player since it's so versitile.....is that a codec or a different media player? Is this going to have "fake 240hz LCD monitor look/feel?" I thought I read that 24fps would look better since it gives movies filmed at 24fps more of that film like look than fake look....

If I'm going to be using this projector with only THE HTPC....and maybe once in a while ps3/xbox....if ever at all....then would 144hz 3d glasses be irrelevant to my needs? Does 3d using nvidia with the HTPC only do 120hz? I would need an actual bluray 3d player for 144hz?
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hey, what can I say, I watch all sortsa stuff!! I only mentioned Disney because I watched Tangled with my girlfriend on it the other week in 3D and some parts were really great. But I always think more FPS is better. You can set the target frame rate and a ton of other things, that will be helpful when I get my 'scope lens installation, with the tool, which is basically a control app around a variety of codecs and filters that all work together, many of which you probably already have on your machine just not configured. I think the main thing is the time rejigger thingy.

Only issue is that it doesn't appear to apply the reclocking step on multiple instances of MPC at the same time (which is the media player it comes it, and my fav anyway). It's all very recent versions of the tools, mid-late 2012. Maybe not the most cutting edge ones, but to me it looks better. Especially when you enable side by side comparisons, I'm like...why would I want to watch 1/2 or 2/5ths of the frames I could be watching. It makes the picture a lot better + more detailed. Like when the action slows down it just feels more "real" to me. Not fake, better. I guess I'm a convert now, who thinks 24hz is a crime to human vision and should be abolished. Thankfully I don't need to shove my opinion or preferences down anybody else's throat. I prefer my PC to do this work anyway because it's infinitely configurable and free.

As I said, try it out. You may find some material better left at 24p, but I think I'll just leave it on permanently now. I think my PS3's bluray playback duties time is running out...if only HTPC 3d bluray playback weren't such a royal pain. I absolutely detest powerdvd and windvd isn't much better. It's very finicky to get it all working each time. Especially since I need to coerce my videocard to output 7.1 audio through to my receiver via a different hdmi cable than the one that goes straight to my BenQ, since my receiver will not forward 3D (it's HDMI 1.3 only).
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Incase it wasn't posted already but here is Art's review from Projector Reviews:

http://www.projectorreviews.com/benq/w1070/index.php
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Just ordered my w1070 smile.gif hopefully its delivered before the weekend! Just wondering about the 3d with projectors. At the moment I have a series 5 (I think) Samsung 59" plasma and get a bit of ghosting, was wondering what the 3d is like on this and also how much "pop" to the 3d images there is? If anyone has one would be great to know also if anyone has used nvidia 3dvision for some 3d games would love to know how it looks.
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Yes, definitely waiting to hear more on Acer H6510BD. There still isn't a thread on it on this forum.
In China, W1070 is priced at RMB 9999. The Acer H6510BD is RMB 7999.
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What's a "High power screen"? I have one that has a 1.3 gain.

It's a screen made by Da-Lite. It has a very high gain of 2.8. Although depending on where your projector is mounted you may not get the full gain benefit. But the screen has excellent ambient light rejecting properties. ie you are able to to get a much better picture when you have lights on or are not light controlled.

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I think my anamorphic question may have gotten over looked a few pages back.

Can an owner confirm this projector does the vertical stretch for use with an anamorphic lens in the "letter box" aspect mode? And second that this same aspect mode can still be selected while the projector is outputting 3D Bluray content? (Benq's w7000 will not switch to letter box stretch in 3d mode, but that seems like a firmware issue, which is why I hope someone can test this on the W1070)

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Last friday I took the plunge and replaced my Optoma e727 with the Benq w1070. . I had settled on 3 weeks ago getting the epson 3020 after doing almost no research outside. I talked to a coworker and he suggested I go to these boards, so I"ve been stalking them sense. I almost bought the comparable Acer, but the ordeal of sending my machine back to the company to be fixed like it should in first place seemed a bit much. Finally I found the Benq w1070 and have been impressed by what I"ve heard. Last night I got my package, opened it up and installed it in my basement.

I am so far very impressed. The difference between that and my optoma is like Night and Day. I had a bit of an issue with placement, as there was no way for me to zoom out, which meant i needed to place my machine about 3 feet closer than I had my optoma (or buy a larger screen).

The colors were very rich, and vibrant. The response time from my PS3 felt like it was as if I was playing Madden on any of my HDTVs. Now I am just waiting for the verdict on the best glasses to get (which I am already monitoring the other thread for).
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Why, everyone else is paying $979 right now? Until manufacturers come out with cheaper models to compete or drop their old models in price drastically, why would they cut the price 2-3 hundred in a few months? I think you're full of wishful thinking and short on reality.


Who's everyone?

Looks like you don't do much shopping.
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Last friday I took the plunge and replaced my Optoma e727 with the Benq w1070. . I had settled on 3 weeks ago getting the epson 3020 after doing almost no research outside. I talked to a coworker and he suggested I go to these boards, so I"ve been stalking them sense. I almost bought the comparable Acer, but the ordeal of sending my machine back to the company to be fixed like it should in first place seemed a bit much. Finally I found the Benq w1070 and have been impressed by what I"ve heard. Last night I got my package, opened it up and installed it in my basement.
I am so far very impressed. The difference between that and my optoma is like Night and Day. I had a bit of an issue with placement, as there was no way for me to zoom out, which meant i needed to place my machine about 3 feet closer than I had my optoma (or buy a larger screen).
The colors were very rich, and vibrant. The response time from my PS3 felt like it was as if I was playing Madden on any of my HDTVs. Now I am just waiting for the verdict on the best glasses to get (which I am already monitoring the other thread for).

Sound similar to me I replaced my ageing Optoma HD20 with the BenQ W1070 and as you say picture is Night is to Day!

I should say "Where is my Sunglasses?" This baby is very bright but in a living room where lighting control is somewhat limited . So it's great!

I still can't get over the SmartEco feature being enabled and I can't detect any pumping of the lamp brightness. I have only have about 20 hours on the lamp and pj so shall be watching but so far really GREAT.

Blacks are really good and certainly much better than the HD20. Color is vibrant and fan noise is much less! Very good shadow detail!

I really don't think anyone could do better for the money. BenQ really has a winner!

W1070 Info:
Date = Dec. 2012
Firm = 1.03

That's it for now. Got it ceiling mounted yesterday will have to make a little longer pole to center picture top-bottom on screen. I use 1!/2 pvc pipe with male npt thread caps works great and of course very adjustable.

The vertical offset adjustment was set all the way down, so no adjustment left there. If you are mounting you might want to check this screw adjustment so it is centered before mounting.

Next step is to get 3D glasses but am still researching to get the right one's.

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This might be my replacement pj. Which thread are you guys looking at to check for glasses compatibility? I'm not big into 3D but would like to see what the buzz is all about smile.gif
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Does anyone know what is different between firmware 1.02 and 1.03? I have 1.02 on mine.
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I think my anamorphic question may have gotten over looked a few pages back.
Can an owner confirm this projector does the vertical stretch for use with an anamorphic lens in the "letter box" aspect mode? And second that this same aspect mode can still be selected while the projector is outputting 3D Bluray content? (Benq's w7000 will not switch to letter box stretch in 3d mode, but that seems like a firmware issue, which is why I hope someone can test this on the W1070)
Thanks!

On 2D, "Letter Box" aspect ratio does stretch the image vertically. Below, the 1st picture has aspect ratio set to "Auto" while the 2nd picture has "Letter Box":


On 3D, however, "Letter Box" not only stretches the image but also shifts the image up and there is no way to adjust the vertical position of the image:



Hope it helps.
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This not NOT a 6x DLP projector neither is the W7000. The w1070 is a 6 segment color wheel with speed at 3x and the W7000 is a 6 segment color wheel with 2-3x speed. The reason sellers claim 6x is the 6 segment color wheel claiming a dual factor but unfortunately it does't work like that. For eg in the hidden menu of the W7000 you can find color wheel speeds for some modes as 2X or 3x for dynamic(which by the way is completely not watchable as the color is completely off).).
If any owners of the W1070 that have owned or seen the RBE on W7000 can comment on the RBE it would be very helpful as people will be able to compare.

So what you are saying is that the W1070 is NOT a true 6X speed because they are just multiplying the native 3X by 2?

In their UK literature it states a 6X speed.

http://static1.projectorpoint.co.uk/imagelibrary/projectors/benq/w1070/benq_w1070-brochure.pdf

Just looking for a reaffirmation. Thanks.

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I think my anamorphic question may have gotten over looked a few pages back.
Can an owner confirm this projector does the vertical stretch for use with an anamorphic lens in the "letter box" aspect mode? And second that this same aspect mode can still be selected while the projector is outputting 3D Bluray content? (Benq's w7000 will not switch to letter box stretch in 3d mode, but that seems like a firmware issue, which is why I hope someone can test this on the W1070)
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yeah vertical stretching using LetterBox aspect mode works in 3D, but only from my PC and in side-by-side. In 24p framepacked, it does a bit of stretching, but it doesn't work properly. I already submitted a query to Benq's tech support about this issue and asked if there will be a fix for it.

my temp solution is to use my PC for everything, including eventually 2D+3D vertical stretching and framerate interpolation / reclocking (since I enjoy higher FPS anyway, and this PJ will do 1080p/30 frame packed). This weekend I will try to get my 3D blurays to output from my PC to my PJ in 1080p full height and in 30p and give the results here. should be okay, if the vertical stretching feature of media player classic works in 3D without creating a fuss
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6X is always 3*2, the same way 4X is always 2*2, it's all explained here really: http://www.cine4home.de/knowhow/DLP-Farbraeder/RGB-Farbraeder.htm

 

The W7k reverts to 2*2 in cinema mode because in 3*2 dynamic mode, colorimetry gets out of hand.....I keep asking existing W1070 owners whether they can hear an audible pitch difference of the spinning colorwheel when rolling modes but no one can be hassled to answer us.

 

The same way I would really like to know the diameter of the lens in order to buy a ND4 filter redface.gif

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Can anyone recommend which ND filter to buy off eBay for the w1070? Blacks are good of course, but I hear ppl say it can be better.
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