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Can anyone recommend which ND filter to buy off eBay for the w1070? Blacks are good of course, but I hear ppl say it can be better.



I am interested to hear some thoughts on this too.

Would you need a filter if your PJ is calibrated?
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Hey smorkaz and anyone with an opinion. What's the consensus of the w1070 vs HC4000 and what else in the price range? I know its not fully saturated yet. Thanks
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Hey smorkaz and anyone with an opinion. What's the consensus of the w1070 vs HC4000 and what else in the price range? I know its not fully saturated yet. Thanks


I am probably not qualify to answer this, but here's what I seen/heard so far.

Great reviews on the W1070 (both owners and experts). Like I've said, I am waiting for a sale/price reduction on the W1070 to make a move.

In this price range?

VS Pro8200 (no 3d)
Optoma HD33
Epson 3010/3020
Epson 8350 (no 3d)
BenQ W6000 (refurb no 3D)

I am probably missing a few others. tongue.gif
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On 2D, "Letter Box" aspect ratio does stretch the image vertically. Below, the 1st picture has aspect ratio set to "Auto" while the 2nd picture has "Letter Box":

On 3D, however, "Letter Box" not only stretches the image but also shifts the image up and there is no way to adjust the vertical position of the image:

Hope it helps.

Thanks a lot for the pictures and info! Just what I was looking to confirm.

Interesting that in 3D mode it tries to stretch the image but as shown is not correct (not proper 33% stretch, and the image shifts)
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yeah vertical stretching using LetterBox aspect mode works in 3D, but only from my PC and in side-by-side. In 24p framepacked, it does a bit of stretching, but it doesn't work properly. I already submitted a query to Benq's tech support about this issue and asked if there will be a fix for it.
my temp solution is to use my PC for everything, including eventually 2D+3D vertical stretching and framerate interpolation / reclocking (since I enjoy higher FPS anyway, and this PJ will do 1080p/30 frame packed). This weekend I will try to get my 3D blurays to output from my PC to my PJ in 1080p full height and in 30p and give the results here. should be okay, if the vertical stretching feature of media player classic works in 3D without creating a fuss

Glad to see I am not the only person hoping this aspect mode works as it should. I would like to hear what tech support offers as a response, just curious what firmware version is your unit (1.03 being the latest if what I read was accurate)?
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As I read some of these posts; This comes to mind- Remember this projector is the first to use TI's newest DLP chipset released Summer of 2012 if memory serves.

This would imply reduced cost to manufacture but also raises the bar on how well it performs.

I can see from time to time RBE in my past projectors but as of yet nothing on this one.

2D is really very, very good. Still working on setting up and testing 3D, so I can't say yet.

But for the money I would say How can you go wrong?

Reliability is yet to be determined. Let's hope it's good.

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Last time i invested in a PJ it was the Panasonic 2000AE, how would this compare to a PJ so old as mine?

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So what you are saying is that the W1070 is NOT a true 6X speed because they are just multiplying the native 3X by 2?
In their UK literature it states a 6X speed.
http://static1.projectorpoint.co.uk/imagelibrary/projectors/benq/w1070/benq_w1070-brochure.pdf
Just looking for a reaffirmation. Thanks.

Ok this post was a long time ago but I just happen to see yours here you have it. That is exactly what I am saying and they can say all they want in their marketing pages. The projector has a color wheel of six segments(RGBRGB) that rotates at a speed of 3X(in theory they claim to achieve 6x as 1 rotation equals RGBRGB therefore every color twice. In practise although RBE(because that is the whole point in talking about the color wheen rotation speed) will be reduced it will still be there for the more sensitive ones. I see it with the Benq w7000 at 2x(4x claimed) and way much less at 3x(claimed 6x) dynamic mode which of course is unusable(the dynamic mode colors are so way off).

I hope it helps but if you are RBE sensitive like I am, buy it from a shop with very good return policy so you can return if RBE is too much for you. Various users of W1070 here don't seem to complain a lot so that's good news.
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6X is always 3*2, the same way 4X is always 2*2, it's all explained here really: http://www.cine4home.de/knowhow/DLP-Farbraeder/RGB-Farbraeder.htm

The W7k reverts to 2*2 in cinema mode because in 3*2 dynamic mode, colorimetry gets out of hand.....I keep asking existing W1070 owners whether they can hear an audible pitch difference of the spinning colorwheel when rolling modes but no one can be hassled to answer us.

The same way I would really like to know the diameter of the lens in order to buy a ND4 filter redface.gif

That noise is easily heard with the W7000(at 3*2 dynamic) specialy when you go from any user or cinema mode to dynamic and you put forward a very fair point. Does the w1070 make the same kind of high pitched noise? However I suspect that the w1070 steadily works at 3*2 color wheel speed so maybe owners cannot hear the difference between 2x and 3x or maybe the w0170 doesn't make that noise of the color wheel. If any one can compare the two and tells us that would nice. smile.gif
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Last time i invested in a PJ it was the Panasonic 2000AE, how would this compare to a PJ so old as mine?

Much brighter, much sharper. But, I'm sure you would not find the blacks or contrast quite as good.

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Just ordered my w1070 from Amazon.com today with an ETA of Friday. I had to go to amazon.ca, find the projector, then change the .ca to .com in the address bar and it brought me to the w1070 on the Amazon US site which allowed me to order @ $1099. Sucks seeing it for $860 in Canada.. I'm hoping for a price drop within the return/exchange period and I can get it adjusted.
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WOW...that actually worked! Nice find! I'm so tempted to pull the trigger on this!
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WOW...that actually worked! Nice find! I'm so tempted to pull the trigger on this!
Yea, I was surprised it worked too. No idea why you can't get to it by searching - it's probably been there for the last week in hiding. FYI I believe I ordered the last (possibly only) one as it said '1 left in stock. more on the way' when I ordered.

I did get my tracking # about three hours ago though so it is on the way.
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Sweet! I have been searching for days on amazon for it. Congrats and looking for to hearing your thoughts!
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Im glad at-least posting the Canadian link helped some people out, lol. Im still waiting for when it will ship email from CA, haha. Dont care if it take a month though, would much rather order from AMZ CA then other retailers with horrible return/exchange policies.
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Thanks a lot for the pictures and info! Just what I was looking to confirm.

Interesting that in 3D mode it tries to stretch the image but as shown is not correct (not proper 33% stretch, and the image shifts)
Glad to see I am not the only person hoping this aspect mode works as it should. I would like to hear what tech support offers as a response, just curious what firmware version is your unit (1.03 being the latest if what I read was accurate)?
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I have 1.02. This sounds like something they can fix in 1.04 maybe...hopefully. Still no response from them, I guess they're busy.
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how can/do you update your firmware and where do you get it from? mine came with 1.02.
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how can/do you update your firmware and where do you get it from? mine came with 1.02.

This^^^ Please tell me you can update firmware yourself and you dont have to send it in to BenQ....
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That would really suck if it wasn't user-serviceable.

Any BenQ experts in da house ? with exp upgrading firmware on previous PJs. I'll scour the net to find references to other PJ firmware updates.
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In the past you had to send in Benq units for firmware updates. According to the manual firmware is update via the serial port. It really is not too hard to do it that way but I don't know if Benq will allow it. Epson updates via the serial port and they finally provided the instructions and cables necessary to do it. You need either a Serial Null Modem cable or a USB to Serial cable from what I see.
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Could anyone be nice enough to recommend some 3D glasses that work well.with the projector I havent got a clue! smile.gif
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There are several DLP glasses that work with the W1070.

True Depth about $50
OKBA DLP about $25 Listed as 120kz glasses but I have tried them and they work.
SanSonic 144 about $25 each.

There have been different pros and cons on each one.
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Just received a W1070 from AudioGeneral in one day via UPS ground because I'm not terribly far from Philly. Great price and the unit works great so far in a temporary spot.
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How loud really is it from about 5 feet away. Too loud ! Does it distract you from your audio system? rolleyes.gif I sure hope that AGen has a good return policy if it is too loud for me or others.
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I sit pretty close my w1070. It is not SILENT. When there is no audio going on, you can hear the projector if you TRY. It is never loud enough to be an annoyance. When watching a movie it just blends in and you forget about the noise...it's quiet enough you can't complain.

So our options for 3d glasses are the

sainsonic at $25
true depth at $50
and the benq at $50+???

Benq are the best? What are me missing out when going for the sainsonics? I mean....does it justify the extra cost?
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That would really suck if it wasn't user-serviceable.

Any BenQ experts in da house ? with exp upgrading firmware on previous PJs. I'll scour the net to find references to other PJ firmware updates.

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In the past you had to send in Benq units for firmware updates. According to the manual firmware is update via the serial port. It really is not too hard to do it that way but I don't know if Benq will allow it. Epson updates via the serial port and they finally provided the instructions and cables necessary to do it. You need either a Serial Null Modem cable or a USB to Serial cable from what I see.

^^^ Doesn't look good then. I just don't understand why you wouldn't want the customer to be able to update firmware via a "service only" usb port on the back of the unit. I really hope that sending it into BenQ isn't the only option for firmware updates.
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Has anyone tried these glasses: http://www.dimensionaloptics.com/DLP_Link.aspx ? These are advertised to work with W1070.
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Wow this thread has so many posts to it now I can't keep up.

Did anyone ever measure the lumens in the Benq's 3D modes?
It's important for people to know this. I don't mean measuring behind the glasses, I mean taking a lumens measurement on a white screen while the PJ is forced into its 3D mode just to see how torchy the max 3D mode is?

$15 meter at Amazon gets close enough on the white level measurement to give us a general idea (think I mentioned it earlier). If someone could do this, would be a great help to lots of people to know the lumens.



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I sit pretty close my w1070. It is not SILENT. When there is no audio going on, you can hear the projector if you TRY. It is never loud enough to be an annoyance. When watching a movie it just blends in and you forget about the noise...it's quiet enough you can't complain.

So our options for 3d glasses are the

sainsonic at $25
true depth at $50
and the benq at $50+???

Benq are the best? What are me missing out when going for the sainsonics? I mean....does it justify the extra cost?

I don't think you are missing anything by buying the Benq glasses they are not even rechargeable.. Some have found them uncomfortable and expensive. Some like the True Depth best because they are larger and can block the DLP signal better. Have not tried the Active but they look nice.
I feel that the SainSonic are a good buy for the price.

Regarding the firmware updates, Benq did not allow the W7000 to be upgraded at home. Hope it is different for the W1070 but I also have my doubts. Hopefully some of us can convince them to do this.
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Im going to email BenQ Canada and see what they say about the firmware update situation with this projector as its bothering me now. I hate having devices that aren't up to date with firmware. Will report back here with what they say.

EDIT: CANT send a email to tech support without a serial # and since I dont have mine yet I cant send them an email. BUT, If you look at the third review from the top (by Eric_M) at the linked page below you will see the person says not possible to update firmware as part of the cons in the review mad.gif

http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=77677#CustomerReviews

I guess can we at-least then know what the new firmware updates have updated (if anyone knows?) so we can determine if its worth sending in rolleyes.gif
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Whats the point in having that mini-usb port in the back if we can't update firmware ourselves?

Kinda sucks why they dont tell us what the firmware differences do......
sooooo best 3d glasses for this is to just get the $25 sainsonics?

Does anyone know what this website is?
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/3d-glasses-for-144hz-3d-ready-projectors.html
is it possible to get 3d glasses for our projectors @ that price?
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