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So I was all ready to order a viewsonic pro 8200 (kinda bummed I missed the sale last week) but then I started reading about LED projectors... Sounds like they last a LOT longer.. I dont plan on using it every day, but would be nice to not have to worry about using it too much... My room is pitch black, roughly 12x12, I plan on hooking my pc to the projector for games and movies (dont care about 3d , just so long as it does 1080p at 60hz), and I have about $700-1000 to spend.

Is the viewsonic pro 8200 still my best bet?

Thanks for any advice
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The only 1080p LED (and laser) DLP projectors are the Acer K750 and the Viewsonic Pro9000. Both are not in your price range. Other options exist, but not with full HD resolution: LG PA70G, Acer K330, Vitiek Qumi, ...
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there is that led 1080p made by cre?

Most led projectors that you can buy now for under 3k are going to be 720p. You can get a good led dlp projector like the LG for under $500.

There is also a laser Casio for under 1k that is led but its also 720p.

my advice, watch this YouTube video
on the PA70G

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JIWJ1EVwZg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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if your just running movies and games off your pc, led 720p will be fine (inmyopinion). if you were going to paint the room black and use a high end bluray player to view movies on a expensive screen I would advise you to go with a 1080p bulb projector.
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Ok WOW I just watched that video, and im kinda excited about LED now. Was he just projecting onto a plain old wall? I Imagine it would be even brighter with a good screen? And the wall I am looking to project onto is only 9ft, so maybe 720p would be enough? I was planning on just watching occasional movies on this thing, but if I didnt have to worry so much about the bulb burning out, I might actually use it for work stuff too.

Plus, cant I do 3D with this particular LG projector? What do I need? Just special glasses? Would be nice icing on the cake...
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this projector can do 3d, but its my understanding you need 3dxl box, (you can look it up on amazon) or software on the pc that costs $.
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Hmm well im using a pc with a decent geforce video card (I assume it can do 120hz), so what kind of software do i need? And then what kind of glasses?

And are there any other sub $1000 LED projectors I should be considering besides the LG PA70G?
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Im also looking at the "Optoma ML500 LED", which several people on youtube have CLAIMED can do 1080p. The specs page on the optima website says it takes a INPUT signal of 1080p, but toesnt say anywhere what the actual out put resolution is. For example this guy claims he played both 720 and 1080p vids and there was a difference... Is he just full of it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43OPaGRAvwM&feature=relmfu

I would reallylike to find a LED projector that does 1080p, it seems so odd that they all only do 720p..
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I'm sure it can take a 1080p signal, heck you could play a 4k video file off the net but at the end of the day its still a 720p projector.
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I'm using the Qumi Q5 with good results on a 133 diagonal your mileage may vary.
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, it seems so odd that they all only do 720p..

they all only do 720p because they are all built using the same internals, same reason they all have diamond pixels.

one company makes the main part and then acer or nec build their projector around it.

if I had money to blow I would go for the new benQ 720p laser projector, only downside it has a moving colorwheel.
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Nah Laser projectors look too pricey... The LEDs look nice (I love the fact that the will last so much longer, and are capable of 120hz/3d).

Can anyone explain exactly what ill have to do to get a 3d movie working if I go with the LG PA70G? I assume if I hook it up to my ps3 it will 'just work'? But what about with my pc? And do I need special glasses, or will the cheap ones from the movie theater work?
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You might want to read the LG70 forum rooms, people can advise you better. Also, keep your eyes open for fry's sale, I think within the last month or 2 the sale price was about 400 dollars. I was gonna get a 2nd PJ and was interested in this lg70 but people at the time said there is focus problem with it and some type of RBE problem or some people got eye strain and weird-ed them out. So I cancelled , not much info at the time. Maybe check their and read user experiences with that model and tips.
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here is the cre topic

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1424573/cre-x205-led-projector

kinda a risk, but sounds interesting.

here is pa70g topic

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1405666/lg-pa70g-led-1280x800-700-lumens


if you can get it for $400 I would buy 2, I saw a YouTube video with two projectors (lg led) used to make one large screen with some pc software.
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here is that video, its called

Two LG HX300G with Warpalizer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B32PwaZLRXY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

also a 3 projector racing setup would be crazy, especially if each screen was running at 120fps. Curved screens look expensive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b---5S-8dGk&feature=youtube_gdata_player


here is a good example of why Casio led laser is good for gaming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_dxDV4E0TA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

here is another good Casio projector vid projecting onto a silver painted wall screen. looks really good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0taolfUk4g&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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here is that video, its called
Two LG HX300G with Warpalizer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B32PwaZLRXY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
also a 3 projector racing setup would be crazy, especially if each screen was running at 120fps. Curved screens look expensive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b---5S-8dGk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
here is a good example of why Casio led laser is good for gaming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_dxDV4E0TA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
here is another good Casio projector vid projecting onto a silver painted wall screen. looks really good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0taolfUk4g&feature=youtube_gdata_player
The curved screen is sort of expensive, but there are cheaper ways to go about it. Any good 720P or 800P LED projectors with good 120hz support out there?

Multi-Projector Edge-Blending & Geometry correction for games and simulations.
http://www.youtube.com/VanFS3K
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I saw one 3 projector pc gaming setup where the guy was using 3 large sheets of poster board to project onto.
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The problem thus far with most LED projectors has been the optical lens. Most are not as sharp as the UHP lamp DLP projectors.
The other problem is they don't put out nearly as much lumens, generally not near enough for 3D usage.

If you are not rainbow sensitive, then I would look at a refurbished Mits hc3800 or hc4000, or a new Benq w1070 (when it comes out). If rainbow sensitive slightly, try an Optoma hd33 (probably out of your budget, but has 3D and 1080p), or stick to the Pro8200 as the Pro8200 has the lowest amount of rainbows for any DLP under $1200 so far (only the Optoma hd33 matches it or slightly beats it as far as lower RBE for under $1500, but the Optoma costs about double).

Another 1080p unit (although no 3D) is the Acer h6500, that one was on sale the other day for just over $500, and you might find one cheap.

If you want 3D and gaming, but want to spend less than the above and don't mind 720p, look at the Optoma gt750 or Benq w710 (or w710st). 1080p is still superior even with a 720p source due to a higher pixel fill and a generally sharper image, although the difference isn't huge unless viewing native 1080p content (in this case the difference depends how close you sit to the screen).

Hope that helps.


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Just to clarify the above post, that does not mean anyone should feel bad about choosing an LED, it is just a personal preference to me from the few I have seen (I have not seen nearly all of them). Some are better than others.


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I have decided I MUST go LED, as I will be using this for work. I cant afford to be replacing bulbs.

coderguy have you seen the LG PA70G in action? it seems to be VERY bright compared to other LEDs, and i havent heard people complain about the sharpness like you have...
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if you can get the $449 FRYS deal price, your still 1, 200 dollars below everything else out there led at the moment.

its a no brainer to get the LG, if you can get it for the FRYS price.
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Wohoo ok just got TWO of the LGPA70G for 450 ea! I plan on doing a dual monitor setup (since my video card supports two monitors out). That should work right? What resolution will each half of the screen be running at?

And as for 3d, any of the 'universal' active 3d glasses should work with this projector right? Assuming my pc/vid card can do 120hz, which it can.

*some glasses i am thinking about ordering... http://www.amazon.com/Xpand-X103-Universal-Shutter-Glasses/dp/B00462RMS6
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This is from 2011 but gives you a good idea of what is possible.


I can't believe the $450 price, thats nuts cheap. Congratulations!

Edit: found this looking through youtube, two LG led projectors racing game on curved screen. Looks really nice.
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