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I went forth and back between wanting to purchase an 8350, a B-Stock JVC, and a 5020. right now, I think I will go with the last one. (who knows what I will want to go with in 2 weeks---when Black Friday comes around. anyone know of a good 5020 sale or equivalent projector sale on black friday?) I bought a used navitar conversion lens, and a 120" screen, which will be about 10' away from the projector.

now I am wondering about the vertical placement of the projector. I will shelf-mount it, so the projector will stand on its feet.

vertically, I can mount it anywhere relative to the center of the screen. or level with the top of the screen. or level with the bottom of screen. mid-mount is probably easiest. do I then need a keystone correction, or is this natural? (the epson manual says "place it at a height so its lens is even with the top or the bottom of the screen.) I could move it level with the top of the screen if this improves quality, although this means that cable management becomes a little nastier.

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The 5020 has lens shift so you don't need to mess with keystone.

Also. The minimum throw for a 120" is at 11' 8". That's lens to screen.

I'm having this same projector and screen size installed next week.
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thanks. so mid-position would work.

I did get the navitar screenstar .65x lens to make it possible to project from 8' away to 120" .

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I currently have Sanyo Z2000, ceiling mount 17 ft from screen which is 120" Dalite. Will upgrade to Epson 5020UB. Looking for best screen size and gain. HT is 24' X 17', no windows. Do not ant to spend too much on screen. Any suggesions is very appreciated.
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Goo screen is best way to go/ I have 140' screen,and pictures are amaizing, Cost me $320.00 SAM_3196.JPG 3105k .JPG file
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Thanks, Milos. But painting the wall is not an option. I prefer fixed screen.
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I currently have Sanyo Z2000, ceiling mount 17 ft from screen which is 120" Dalite. Will upgrade to Epson 5020UB. Looking for best screen size and gain. HT is 24' X 17', no windows. Do not ant to spend too much on screen. Any suggesions is very appreciated.

what's your budget for the screen?
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Can you describe your room or post a picture? what are the dimensions and colors? seating distance?

10' sounds way to close for a throw distance, the 5020 is a light cannon and has 3x the lumen output of a JVC

 

If you just want a nice big bright picture, you might be okay, but just okay...not great.

If Picture Quality with excellent Black Levels and Contrast are important, and they should be to most people,

....IMHO you need a longer throw distance. (or a smaller screen)

 

The closer you mount the projector to the screen, the more your contrast is going to suffer.

I would recommend at least a 14'+ throw distance, and 12' should be minimum for a 120" image if you're in a total bat cave with dark walls and ceilings.

 

If you like deep inky blacks, maximum contrast and shadow detail, you can kiss that all goodbye, especially with such a bright projector mounted so close to the screen.

It will be even worse if your screen is located anywhere near a white ceiling and walls, Then contrast is REALLY going to get washed out from the reflections

and you'll likely need to dial down your brightness ....which will further degrade shadow details in darker scenes.

 

Not everyone is looking for the highest picture quality possible, YMMV

but I would hope most would make those considerations when choosing a throw distance.

 

My 4 y/o Espon (1080UB) has about half the brightness of a 5020 and I have it dialed down and calibrated in low lamp mode, natural setting

Throw distance is around 12'-6" to a 120" low gain screen in a black/brown velvet wrapped bat cave. 10' seating distance (eyes to screen)

PJ is shelf mounted 5' high behind center seat so almost dead center and level to screen center.

 

Blacks are about as deep as my Pioneer Kuro 50" plasma that my motorized screen drops down in front of...

I usually cant even tell where the scope image ends and my 16:9 screen begins

 

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To help further explain how an overly bright image can contribute to a loss in contrast and how reflected light surfaces can degrade picture quality....here's a few examples

 

 

 


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uggh---good advice. I had never thought of lumen as a negative. I had planned to run the 5020 in eco mode only, because of the noise. it sounds almost as if the 5020 is pearl before swine, and I may as well go with a 3020.

I have no choice on distance. the room is only 13' wide. by the time the projector takes its space, it's 11'. so, I have no choice but the conversion lens.

the JVC would have been nice, but it needs a deep ventilation exhaust zone. so, it requires another foot, at least.

I wish there was an eco eco mode.

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You must mean an 8350?

 

The 3020 is about the same as the 5020 , both with higher lumen due to 3D.

I'm not saying it can't work, its just not ideal if you want a perfect 2D image.

 

5020,10' throw = 76fL / 103" screen

 

3020,10' throw = 73fL / 103" screen

 

Do really want 3D?

any windows or ambient light in your room?

white ceiling and walls or is a total total bat cave?

 

JVC HD250 = 18fL (based on 10' throw 91" screen) ...that would be my next PJ if my Epson dies

 

8350 (2D Epson) is 32fL/ (based 10' throw on a 102" screen)

 

 

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3d is not important. I will probably watch one 3d movie a year. I have been looking for a comparison between the 5020 and the 8350 in 2d mode, primarily for contrast and dark level. I couldn't find anything. it is painful that the 8350 is 2-3 years old now. and the 8700 is discontinued. so has the JVC DLA-HD250. I wish 3d had not caught on, and manufacturers had paid more attention to 2d. an eco-eco mode would have been nice, for sure.

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I hear you on the whole 3D thing, ....I despise 3D, the goofy glasses, and refuse to upgrade all my components to 1.4 HDMI.

 

My Epson 1080UB is getting old (going into year 5 now) and I was holding out for the next JVC HD250 thinking the next version would be released with a CMS,

now they ALL have 3D instead of a better 2D unit (RS40/RS45....etc.)  mad.gif

 

I may have to pick up a cheap B stock HD250 now (for $1300) and get a processor instead

Epson doesn't make a 2D UB model anymore either. an 8700UB refurb might be a possibility, but rare to find.

 

I have no experience with the 5020, but I did install an 8350 for my Brother last Christmas,

it's a nice bright picture for sure, and the price was right...but sadly lacking in deep blacks compared to my older Epson 1080UB.


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Hi Y2K,

500 to 800 dollars for screen.
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Hi Y2K,
500 to 800 dollars for screen.

Check out the Carada Precision screent - its a couple bucks more than your budget wink.gif

http://www.carada.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=PROJECTION-SCREEN-H118P


Why aren't you keeping your 120" Da-lite?
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Thanks Y2K,

The 120 Dalite HCCV grey screen is 8 years old. Its age is not a concern and it is as good as when I first bought for Sony VHS20 and Sanyo Z2000 since they are not bright enough. It is small since the seating positions are between 17 and 24 feet (room is 24 X 17 X 11, no windows, base color wall, white color ceiling). I'd like to move to 133" or a bit larger screen and 3D and that depends on how well the 5020 can handle. Currently I use 3' tube from the ceiling at 17' and the lens is in line with top of the screen which is the sweet spot for both projectors (zero adjustment).

On the Carara, there are 3 options for gain, 0.8, 1.0 and 1.4. I don't know which one is best suited. Please let me know and 5020's sweet spot. Good luck on your installation.

Anybody has any opinons on VA screens sold by VisualApex?
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3d is not important. I will probably watch one 3d movie a year. I have been looking for a comparison between the 5020 and the 8350 in 2d mode, primarily for contrast and dark level. I couldn't find anything. it is painful that the 8350 is 2-3 years old now. and the 8700 is discontinued. so has the JVC DLA-HD250. I wish 3d had not caught on, and manufacturers had paid more attention to 2d. an eco-eco mode would have been nice, for sure.
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Visual Apex still has the 8700ub refurbs ($1399). You may have to go through a couple to find a good one, but when you do I think it's worth it.

I think going to an 8350 to improve black levels is probably going to be a mistake. From what I've read, the UB models have significantly better black levels and would probably compensate for poor placement better than slightly lower light (besides, I think an 8700 calibrated is about the same lumens as an 8350 or maybe less).

Might also consider going with a gray screen...
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