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I bought a 5020 just a few days ago and I am feeling a little buyers’ remorse.

I think the 2d picture is great. Much better than the 1080ub it is replacing. But except for a few IMAX documentaries I didn’t really like the 3d much. Even for a reference movie like Avatar, I preferred watching it in 2d for the clarity and color. I thought Titanic was terrible in 3d with very jittery motion.

From my cable box, 3d didn’t work right at all. I could adjust the 3d settings for top/bottom display but the 2 images were still wildly non-converged horizontally. By adjusting the depth setting, I could get some objects to converge in the center of the screen but only at certain depths. Am I missing something?

So now I am wondering if I should return it and save 1K+ with a non-3d pj like the Panasonic PT-AR100U.
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I ran into a similar issue. I was trying out PowerDVD and TotalMedia Theater for 3D blu-rays. Total Media theater would do the exact thing you are having problems with on your cable box. PowerDVD did not have these issues at all. It worked perfectly. I'm still investigating the reason...

When you said you could "adjust the 3d settings for top/bottom display" was this on your cable box or your projector?
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The top/down setting was on the pj, and it did correct for that. But left to right the images were very ghosted.
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If the projector will be on most of the time I would go with the 60" tv.and yes while it might not blind them it most likely harm them over time.why not a smaller tv for the kids and the projector for the adults?u can wall mount it behind an ceiling mounted electric screen

You know what I'm not really sure I never contemplated this option? Yes I have a 46" Sharp Aquos LCD TV currently being used in the basement. By using an HDMI splitter I can simply switch between devices when needed! The kids can watch Bubble Guppies on the Sharp and I can watch my cinema movies on the big 100" screen- again not sure why this was not an option for me...
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I bought a 5020 just a few days ago and I am feeling a little buyers’ remorse.

I think the 2d picture is great. Much better than the 1080ub it is replacing. But except for a few IMAX documentaries I didn’t really like the 3d much. Even for a reference movie like Avatar, I preferred watching it in 2d for the clarity and color. I thought Titanic was terrible in 3d with very jittery motion.

From my cable box, 3d didn’t work right at all. I could adjust the 3d settings for top/bottom display but the 2 images were still wildly non-converged horizontally. By adjusting the depth setting, I could get some objects to converge in the center of the screen but only at certain depths. Am I missing something?

So now I am wondering if I should return it and save 1K+ with a non-3d pj like the Panasonic PT-AR100U.

Didn't see Titanic, but Avatar looked good on my 6010, and the Hubble doc was real nice. I havn't watched any 3d off cable, (Dish here), but best 3d will come from a properly encoded film, where even some of the best 2d conversion films can fall short with respect to ghosting. That said, I think there are a few pj's better than the AR100U in that price range, if they work for your setup/requirements. The Benq 1070 being one, but it will fall short of your 5020 in black/contrast. You still have a very nice 2d pj, one of the best in this price range, but return it if you feel bad about the purchase. 3D is just a feature, you don't have to use it.
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Is there an IR sensor on the front of the 5020 as well as on the back? I'm thinking of mounting the projector on a shelf on the back of the wall But can see how I might have a problem with the IR sensor if using the shelf, the sensor would be completely blocked. Has anyone else encountered this, or used a shelf to mount the projector on the back wall? I can use a ceiling mount if I need to, but wanted to use the shelf to get the projector as close to the ceiling as possible as my ceilings are relatively low.

I think there is an optional external 3D emitter that may work in that situation if you have an issue.
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Is there an IR sensor on the front of the 5020 as well as on the back? I'm thinking of mounting the projector on a shelf on the back of the wall But can see how I might have a problem with the IR sensor if using the shelf, the sensor would be completely blocked. Has anyone else encountered this, or used a shelf to mount the projector on the back wall? I can use a ceiling mount if I need to, but wanted to use the shelf to get the projector as close to the ceiling as possible as my ceilings are relatively low.

Here is what I found in my 6020 manual.
Two emitters...one front and one back.

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^^

The 5020 manual does not show 2 IR receivers, only the one in the back. The poster was asking about the 5020 so I am not sure the 6020 would be the same as the 5020. I looked at the front of my 5020 and it all looks like hard black plastic. I even took a flashlight to see if it was smoke-grey plastic with an eye behind but could not see one. Perhaps others will have a more definitive answer.
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I just pulled up the 5020 manual online and the exact picture is shown. See the copied information below.

The projector doesn’t respond to remote control commands.
■ Make sure you’re within about 32 feet (10 m) of the projector, and the remote control is
aimed at the projector’s front or back sensor within the ranges shown below.


The section is called Solving Remote Control Problems on page 84.

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Yeah, good catch. I found that too and was going to post it but you beat me to it. However, if you look at page 6 it only shows the one location in the top back. So, who knows if there is one in the front too. Manuals and catalogs are notorious for being incorrect and here is a clear indication of ambiguous, if not incorrect, info. Hopefully someone can chime in that knows for certain that there is one in the front too.

EDIT: I must be BLIND!! I just went and looked at my 5020 again. There is a remote sensor on the underside of the front left of the unit. The page 6 diagram sort of shows it but there is no notation or reference on that page. My unit is mounted upside down so I couldn't see the underside clearly and focused on looking at the very front of the unit and I totally missed the bottom.

So, to answer the OP's question, you can mount it on a shelf blocking the back of the unit!biggrin.gif
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Anyone else finding the need to make some adjustments to 3D settings per movie? For instance how to train your dragon has some nasty crosstalk until I changed 3D screen size to 120" and increased depth to 1 then the crosstalk was gone. I only realized this last night and I know people say to only adjust the 3D brightness setting but I like a brighter picture since my painted wall is only around 1.2/1.3 gain. I didn't test thoroughly however so I may be wrong and it only works for those particular scenes, I only watched the first 5 minutes. Almost every 3D movie I have tried has some crosstalk, not too much but how to train your dragon had the worst crosstalk I've seen without adjustment. Maybe DLP was the way to go, I don't know but I do know when there isn't any crosstalk the 3D does look awesome except for dimness and colors being a little off.
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How to Train your Dragon, Monsters vs Aliens, My Bloody Valentine all seem to be giving people some ghosting issues, and might be made worse with lcd tech? That said, the Epsons lcd's are considered very good, when dealing with 3d content, but it might be struggling on some titles where a dlp might be better? 3D encoding/filming process has alot to do with how good it will look and they are not all equal.
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Does Sony or JVC come with wireless HDMI? Or just only EPSON 5020UBe does has it?
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Does Sony or JVC come with wireless HDMI? Or just only EPSON 5020UBe does has it?

only the epson
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I can't run HDMI cable on ceiling and I need clean look so I think 5020UBe is the way to go....do they make 6020UBe ??
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I am using an ‘ActionTec My Wireless TV’ device to deliver the signal. Could that be why moving objects seem so jittery in 3d? It handles 2d flawlessly. But there seems to be something that is just not right in 3d, but some discs are better than others.
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I can't run HDMI cable on ceiling and I need clean look so I think 5020UBe is the way to go....do they make 6020UBe ??

According to a couple reviews, the 6020 is wireless, and is "anamorphic ready". I'd call Epson to make sure. There are some hdmi wireless devices you could research as well with the main issues are delays in switching and loss of link at times. Unless you want the "anamorphic" feature, or black case, mount, extra warranty, spare lamp, the 5020e may be a better choice depending on prices?
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I am using an ‘ActionTec My Wireless TV’ device to deliver the signal. Could that be why moving objects seem so jittery in 3d? It handles 2d flawlessly. But there seems to be something that is just not right in 3d, but some discs are better than others.

"jittery", do you mean ghosting? One way to test is to run a short cable to the player and try it wired?
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I don't think this is ghosting. The motion is choppy.
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That said, I think there are a few pj's better than the AR100U in that price range, if they work for your setup/requirements. The Benq 1070 being one, but it will fall short of your 5020 in black/contrast. You still have a very nice 2d pj, one of the best in this price range, but return it if you feel bad about the purchase. 3D is just a feature, you don't have to use it.

The 1070 doesn't have the throw ratio I need. I was thinking of the W7000. Any other suggestions? Any chance I will like the 3d from a DLP any better?
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i was planning on buying the 5020, but VA has the 5010 refurb for $1700.... sooo tempting! i could save 700+ and buy a new projector in 3-4 years with that money.... hmmm the decisions
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i was planning on buying the 5020, but VA has the 5010 refurb for $1700.... sooo tempting! i could save 700+ and buy a new projector in 3-4 years with that money.... hmmm the decisions

I doubt you would see any difference between the 5010 and the 5020.
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I doubt you would see any difference between the 5010 and the 5020.

dang, u make me want to save the money... i'm think i might. With my Amex card, i would get an extra year of warranty making it a 3 year warranty.... i already have 3d glasses, so the extre 2 with the epson doesn't make too much a difference.
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dang, u make me want to save the money... i'm think i might. With my Amex card, i would get an extra year of warranty making it a 3 year warranty.... i already have 3d glasses, so the extre 2 with the epson doesn't make too much a difference.

The big changes were mainly the addition of 3d improvements, allowing the iris to be used in 3d on the 5020. The price on the refurb 5010 is pretty good.
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The 1070 doesn't have the throw ratio I need. I was thinking of the W7000. Any other suggestions? Any chance I will like the 3d from a DLP any better?

The Benq's can be considered as some of the better 3d pj's available in the price range, and some people think dlp gives the best 3d performance overall. That's not to say that some poorly rendered titles won't have ghosting. So yes, there is a chance you'll like it better if RBE, (rainbows) isn't an issue to you, or your family. The brightness can be toned down some using a ND filter, thus reducing the effect of RBE in most cases. Besides the possibility of RBE, I think the only shortcoming I have on it, (Benq 7000), is the possible shorter lamp life.

For an lcd, the Epsons are very good as well, and can offer a little more versatile placement, but might not be quite as sharp. Some comparisons of the 5010 and 7000, just note that a couple shortcomings of the 5010 mentioned, have been improved upon by the Epson 5020, re: iris in 3d. http://www.projectorcentral.com/benq-w7000-3d-projector-review.htm?page=Shootout-vs-Epson-5010

Both good pj's, pick the one that most matches up to what you think is most important.
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Is there any non 3d pj's that are as good in 2d?
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Is there any non 3d pj's that are as good in 2d?

The 2D only Epson 8350 is about the closest in a $1k price range. The 3d feature is added to the latest models of manufactures, while at the same time, most have improved 2d capabilities. Singling out a 3d pj just because it does 3d, doesn't mean it doesn't do 2d well. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1391476/coderguys-top-projector-picks has a good comparison of recent models.
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Maybe this is getting silly. But projectorreviews said:

That first Epson, had a 50,000:1 contrast ratio, if I recall correctly. I had expected the black level performance of this non-"UB" Epson, to rival that old 1080 UB. No such luck. The blacks are improved over the older Epson 8100, but still a good bit short of the UB.

They are talking about my current projector. Maybe I should just buy a new lamp and hold off for another year.

No way. Can't do it. The 5020 was too good. I have to get something close to it now. I'm hooked.
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I have been thinking about buying the VA refurb 5010 as well. I'm just a little bit scared! Wouldn't these be the ones that everyone has returned over the last year or so? Maybe Epson fixed...but maybe they didn't? I'm very hesitant to pull the trigger...

I just moved to Seoul, South Korea (US Air Force) and thought I would be living on base in a small apartment that would absolutely not work for a projector setup. I already owned the Epson 5010 and an Elite Cinetension 2 electric screen (106") but sold them both before moving over here. I then purchased a nice 55" Sony LCD (KDL-55HX855) for ~$2k to have while I was going to be in Korea.

Turns out, they let me get a place off-base and I now have a perfect living room space for a 100" or 106" projector setup smile.gif I'm happy, but I wish I would have just kept my 5010 and screen. I'll also have to sell the Sony 55" at a nice loss...and it will also be very hard to find a screen to my liking over here locally that isn't going to cost me an arm and a leg. Looks like I may have to settle for an Elite SableFrame 100"...something that comes in a box and can ship out via USPS (no FEDEX or UPS delivery possible for me).

Really liking the 5020UBe wireless HDMI feature...as long as it really is as advertised.

Wife wants to keep the Sony and get an electric screen....

Decisions.... decisions.....
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