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Ok I finally got a chance this weekend to play with the adjustments on this projector. It has made a big difference in the black level and sharpness. The one problem that is still killing this projector is the camera pan/fast motion blurring. I say blurring but it could be pixelization that I am seeing. I tried to watch the F1 race and Indy 500 but they were so bad that I couldn't stand to watch them. You can not even see the numbers on the cars or at times the color of the drivers helmets. It seems like this projector can not handle motion well at all. The camera pan problem is also there when I watch blue rays but not as bad. I did play with the Interpolation setting but it did not help much. Is anyone else using there projector for sports like racing, if so how does yours handle the camera pan/fast motion?
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Just wondering if anyone can advise me how to determine if the LCD alignment in my unit is worthy of asking Epson for a replacement. I have tried the LCD alignment several times...I've tried the "increments of 10" approach as well as finer adjustments. I'm using the AVS alignment patterns. When I get things looking right in the patterns, I look at the Epson menu or the Epson LCD alignment grid, and all the lines are very green ("matrix" tint). Also, I notice in the AVS pattern the reds and blues are very smeared, so it's not obvious how much I need to move the red/blue up or down.

With the LCD alignment off, white text DOES look white, but it does have some blue/red "ringing" or "halos" around the edges of letters.

I'm also having a hell of time getting the focus ring to exactly pinpoint focus, but that's mainly because I'm too lazy to change it, walk over to the screen, walk back to the projector, 100 times. smile.gif

Thanks all!

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I have been thinking about buying the VA refurb 5010 as well. I'm just a little bit scared! Wouldn't these be the ones that everyone has returned over the last year or so? Maybe Epson fixed...but maybe they didn't? I'm very hesitant to pull the trigger...

I just moved to Seoul, South Korea (US Air Force) and thought I would be living on base in a small apartment that would absolutely not work for a projector setup. I already owned the Epson 5010 and an Elite Cinetension 2 electric screen (106") but sold them both before moving over here. I then purchased a nice 55" Sony LCD (KDL-55HX855) for ~$2k to have while I was going to be in Korea.

Turns out, they let me get a place off-base and I now have a perfect living room space for a 100" or 106" projector setup smile.gif I'm happy, but I wish I would have just kept my 5010 and screen. I'll also have to sell the Sony 55" at a nice loss...and it will also be very hard to find a screen to my liking over here locally that isn't going to cost me an arm and a leg. Looks like I may have to settle for an Elite SableFrame 100"...something that comes in a box and can ship out via USPS (no FEDEX or UPS delivery possible for me).

Really liking the 5020UBe wireless HDMI feature...as long as it really is as advertised.

Wife wants to keep the Sony and get an electric screen....

Decisions.... decisions.....

Thanks for your service! Spent a little time in "the land of the morning calm" myself, in the Air Force, stay away from the soju. smile.gif Another option might be a diy screen? Check the threads, some pretty nice ones done there, if you care to pursue that option. Not sure what the shipping costs would be for the Sable? It was mentioned that the wireless feature has been improved, so might be less delay or sync loss now?
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Ok I finally got a chance this weekend to play with the adjustments on this projector. It has made a big difference in the black level and sharpness. The one problem that is still killing this projector is the camera pan/fast motion blurring. I say blurring but it could be pixelization that I am seeing. I tried to watch the F1 race and Indy 500 but they were so bad that I couldn't stand to watch them. You can not even see the numbers on the cars or at times the color of the drivers helmets. It seems like this projector can not handle motion well at all. The camera pan problem is also there when I watch blue rays but not as bad. I did play with the Interpolation setting but it did not help much. Is anyone else using there projector for sports like racing, if so how does yours handle the camera pan/fast motion?

Limitation of the lcd/lcos tech? and another discussion. Advantage Sharp z3000 http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463126/motion-judder-motion-blur-with-highly-rated-lcd-lcos-projectors#post_23092588
I see some occasional judder on pans on some video content, and some fast moving sports can exhibit some blurriness at times. I guess you tried adjusting these settings?

Progressive
Converts interlaced to progressive signals. Leave the setting on Film/Auto for viewing movies on a player that produces interlaced output. Select Video for watching videos captured with a video camera. Set to Off when viewing images with a large amount of movement.
Note: This setting can be used only when viewing a composite video signal, or 480i or 576i, or 1080i signals input through the Component, HDMI1, or HDMI2 ports (see page 75).

Motion Detection
This setting specifies how signals are converted to progressive signals. Select a lower setting for slow-moving or still images (S) or select a higher number for video images (M).

There might also be some compression artifacts from your feed, but if that aspect is very important to you, you might have to consider getting a different pj?
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Just wondering if anyone can advise me how to determine if the LCD alignment in my unit is worthy of asking Epson for a replacement. I have tried the LCD alignment several times...I've tried the "increments of 10" approach as well as finer adjustments. I'm using the AVS alignment patterns. When I get things looking right in the patterns, I look at the Epson menu or the Epson LCD alignment grid, and all the lines are very green ("matrix" tint). Also, I notice in the AVS pattern the reds and blues are very smeared, so it's not obvious how much I need to move the red/blue up or down.

With the LCD alignment off, white text DOES look white, but it does have some blue/red "ringing" or "halos" around the edges of letters.

I'm also having a hell of time getting the focus ring to exactly pinpoint focus, but that's mainly because I'm too lazy to change it, walk over to the screen, walk back to the projector, 100 times. smile.gif

Thanks all!

Chris

If the alignment is within 1 pixel, it could be considered normal, take some photos and send 'em to support if you think their off by more. 100% alignment is near impossible on 3 lcd, get it as close as you can, with the grid lines being white. A little misconvergence shouldn't be an issue, when watchin from seating distance. I know there were some posts regarding "blurry/smearing" on the 5010/6010's, and mine exhibits some as well. Search those threads for some observations. Again, watching from seating distance isn't an issue, at least for me.
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me too,I will also be testing the $50.00 Panasonic TY-ER3D4MU.thanks 15.gif
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Hey guys,

well I got the new 5020 today, and went threw this thread but there is just too much info and I got lost,
As I understand I can take the optimization from the projector review on that site( forgot the name)
but I have a few more question if I may.
1. what would be my best screen to project it on? considering I can totaly make my room black but I have white walls and ceiling.
2. Are the glassses that I got with it are good or should I buy others? if so what kind?
3. Are there any other calibrations I need to preform in order to get a better exprience?


Sorry for all the question and wrong spelling.
Thanks in advance.
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After tons of research and contemplating a large TV or projector I've pulled the trigger on the Epson 5020UB- ordered one yesterday from my local Best Buy and it will be ready for pickup this Friday. Also order an Elite Screens 92" screen from Amazon and will be ready to go hopefully this weekend. Got a great deal at BB- paid full price ($2,599) but got them to through in a new Sony BluRay Player valued at $119. Very happy with the deal as it was important to me to buy local in case I want to return it within 15 days or have any other issues. Spent hours last night getting my basement ready... moving the LCD TV out and moving around the surround sound setup to position the screen on the opposite wall. It's going to be a killer setup! I can't wait! Thanks to all for helping me in my evaluation. I'll post more when the equipment is received and setup. biggrin.gif
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Hey guys,

well I got the new 5020 today, and went threw this thread but there is just too much info and I got lost,
As I understand I can take the optimization from the projector review on that site( forgot the name)
but I have a few more question if I may.
1. what would be my best screen to project it on? considering I can totaly make my room black but I have white walls and ceiling.
2. Are the glassses that I got with it are good or should I buy others? if so what kind?
3. Are there any other calibrations I need to preform in order to get a better exprience?


Sorry for all the question and wrong spelling.
Thanks in advance.

You can SEE BELOW how I did it. Purple Wall Paper Absorbs the BLUE Bounce and
the BLACK Ceiling and Black Carpet help with all the other bounced colors.

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Could a current 5020UB owner provide me with the distance from the back foot of the projector to the front feet? I'm building a shelf for my soon to be delivered projector and need to know this distance to properly size the shelf. I've downloaded the manual which provides several dimensions but does not list this one. I know the total length and width but it's not possible to calculate the feet position with the way the diagram is depicted. All help is appreciated. Thanks.
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Manuals are available online for either the 5020 or 5010
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Manuals are available online for either the 5020 or 5010

I've downloaded the 5020 manual and as I stated in my post it does not list dimensions for feet placement, only overall dimensions ex. 15.6 length, 18.3 width, etc.
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Manuals are available online for either the 5020 or 5010

He said he downloaded the manual and it doesn't include the info he's looking for.


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Manuals are available online for either the 5020 or 5010

I just took my tape measure out and the feet of my 5020UB are about 10 1/4 inches front to back. Hopefully that helps you with your shelf build. :-)

Speaking of builds, would it be appropriate if I posted a couple photos of my new 5020UB home theater build here? Or does anyone know of a different thread that sort of stuff should go in?
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I just took my tape measure out and the feet of my 5020UB are about 10 1/4 inches front to back. Hopefully that helps you with your shelf build. :-)

Speaking of builds, would it be appropriate if I posted a couple photos of my new 5020UB home theater build here? Or does anyone know of a different thread that sort of stuff should go in?

Excellent! One other thing- can you measure the distance between the two front feet? That would be very helpful.
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You can SEE BELOW how I did it. Purple Wall Paper Absorbs the BLUE Bounce and
the BLACK Ceiling and Black Carpet help with all the other bounced colors.


And could you let me know what monitor you are using? and what glasses?
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Excellent! One other thing- can you measure the distance between the two front feet? That would be very helpful.

The front feet are about 15 1/2 Inches apart between the center of each foot.
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The front feet are about 15 1/2 Inches apart between the center of each foot.

Perfect! Exactly what I needed. Thank you.
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I just took my tape measure out and the feet of my 5020UB are about 10 1/4 inches front to back. Hopefully that helps you with your shelf build. :-)

Speaking of builds, would it be appropriate if I posted a couple photos of my new 5020UB home theater build here? Or does anyone know of a different thread that sort of stuff should go in?

Post away, there are a couple, "show us your screenshots" threads if you care to post in those too?
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Hey guys,

well I got the new 5020 today, and went threw this thread but there is just too much info and I got lost,
As I understand I can take the optimization from the projector review on that site( forgot the name)
but I have a few more question if I may.
1. what would be my best screen to project it on? considering I can totaly make my room black but I have white walls and ceiling.
2. Are the glassses that I got with it are good or should I buy others? if so what kind?
3. Are there any other calibrations I need to preform in order to get a better exprience?

Sorry for all the question and wrong spelling.
Thanks in advance.

1. It's pretty bright, so if your mid to short range, I think any gain 1.0 or less, just remember the bulb will dim a bit as it ages. You can use http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/ and the Epson 5010 template, (similar brightness) to look at some lumen numbers as compared to the screen size and throw distance. Also you might look at this article. http://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/home-cinema-5020/screens.php
2. The Epson glasses seem pretty good, but you might look around for some less expensive ones. I have no recommendation, but hopefully someone else does.
3. You mentioned using some other site's "optimizations", remember that any image tweaks done in their setup will most likely be different than your own. Room variables and such. A pretty good rule of thumb is to wait about 200-300 hrs before calibrating.
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my 5020 UBe with Black Diamond G2 Zero Edge 110"

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I have had this projector for a few months now and I have read from the posts that the convergence is not the greatest. But anyways, after spending a few hours trying to properly align the convergence, this is the best I have been able to do, see pictures. Furthermore, once in a while I spot the reddish haze, as seen in the pictures, on a few objects and letters in a film from about 13ft away. What I would like to know is if the miss alignment I am experiencing is acceptable for this projector? I came from a single chip DLP projector; thus, convergence was never a problem, but I don't know if I should contact Epson and see if I can get a replacement or have them fix this issue or live with it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thank you!


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Some posts related to alignment you might want to look at in the first post of the 5010/6010 thread. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/official-epson-powerlite-home-cinema-5010-6010-thread And look into the "pixel width" discussion threads as well. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/official-epson-powerlite-home-cinema-5010-6010-thread/1290#post_21779171

I don't think those settings are ideal from those images. It appears that you only concentrated on the center area? You normally have to work on the entire area as a whole, and maybe fudge a bit, letting maybe one area be a bit off. Those grid lines look a bit wavy? Are you sure no keystone is being used? You shouldn't be using any keystone correction if at all possible as it will distort the image some. Maybe it's just the camera image?

If the alignment is within 1 pixel, it could be considered normal. 100% alignment is near impossible on 3 lcd, get it as close as you can, with the grid lines being white. A little misconvergence shouldn't be an issue, when watchin from seating distance and if your seeing some, you might want it addressed if you can't get it squared away on your own. I know there were some posts regarding "blurry/smearing" on the 5010/6010's, mine incl., one mentioned that mounting the pj right side up improved on this, and setting focus on the outer quadrants might help a bit as well? Instead of focusing here, [ - ], set the focus by concentrating in these areas, [ - - ]. Search those 5010 and 6010 threads for some other observations.
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Thanks jnabq for the input. However, this is actually my second attempt at alignment and so far it is probably the best one. I actually went through every other square when I was doing the alignment process; thus, the whole area was align and no keystone is being used, but about half of the horizontal lens shift is. I say that because regardless of how much I try to get the left one-third of the screen to focus it does not become as sharp/focus as the rest of the screen. I am assuming it is probably because of the lens shift and as is not noticeable from a watching distance, so no big deal. I guess I will reset all settings to default and try the one pixel alignment next, hopefully that will help out the overall alignment. On a side note, I also have a Mitsubishi 65 in and 55 in rear projection TVs and can perfectly, to my eyes, align those screens but aligning this projector is getting on my nerves.
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Anyone else have a harmony touch? This thing is great but it's so annoying sometimes! It doesn't have any preset settings for the 5020. WTF!!! This projector has been around for almost a year! How long does it take!?!? The worst thing is that I don't have the origional remote!!!
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Anyone else have a harmony touch? This thing is great but it's so annoying sometimes! It doesn't have any preset settings for the 5020. WTF!!! This projector has been around for almost a year! How long does it take!?!? The worst thing is that I don't have the origional remote!!!

Why is it NOT the SAME as the 5010.

That should be in the Harmony Database.

Did you contact Harmony Cusotmer Support?
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Anyone else have a harmony touch? This thing is great but it's so annoying sometimes! It doesn't have any preset settings for the 5020. WTF!!! This projector has been around for almost a year! How long does it take!?!? The worst thing is that I don't have the origional remote!!!

Don't know about the Touch but I had no issues with my Harmony One.
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I use an MX-6000, so I don't know this remote...


but can't your teach the remote the codes?

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I don't have the original remote. I received the 5020 as a replacement for my 8700 that was broke. They sent me replacement t 8700s but none of them worked. They send me a refurb 5020. Anyway, I don't have the remote and I couldn't contact harmony. There site is really annoying.
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