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post #1 of 10 Old 01-05-2013, 01:09 PM - Thread Starter
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I've been away from AVS for a long time and have no idea what's good/not so good in today's current crop of digital projectors.
To qualify my frame of reference, I've been using a Sony G70 CRT projector for 10 years, paired up with a 144" screen and I want to keep using a screen of similar size.

I want to spend as little as I can get away with, but I want a reasonably nice picture ( I'm not the home theater hobbist I used to be, so I'm not seeking perfection.)

So, can some of you give me some recommendations on a digital projector to replace my Sony G70?

Thanks

ps - I see a lot of discussion on the forum about projectors offering 3 D support. Do you have to use 3D content, or are these projectors capable of producing 3D with standard content? (probably a dumb question, but as I said I've been out of touch for a while).

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As you're writing in the "Under 3000$" section, I might suggest you the Mitsubishi HC5.
It's an LCoS projector and offers very high native contrast ratios among digital projectors (different measures roam the internet, but I would say it's no less than 15000:1 on/off contrast). Either way be prepared to wave your hand to CRT-like blacks. Higher end JVCs have a little more contrast than the HC5, but HC5 is brighter (a plus for your 144" screen). And it's very sharp according to testimonials. And it has very nice colors.
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Most that are stand alone, full hd 3d projectors, will do 2d to 3d conversion, check the specifics however. 3d supported might also mean 3d ready? Those may require a computer running a nvidia type 3d signal, or some other 3d processing hardware to be required. Most 2d-3d conversion is a little lacking in "pop out" since the content wasn't filmed or processed that way. True 3d filmed content, (Avatar) will obviously look better when compared to a conversion done by the pj.
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I sold my Runco 990 (Black NEC PG10) last year, that's a 9" CRT projector for those not familiar with them...

Due to not needing 3D and looking for lowest cost possible with best black levels I could find, Aaaannnd a great warranty.....

I bought a refurb Epson 8700UB for $1500. Yes, it may take a try or two to get a "perfect" one, but mine was basically perfect out of the box.

It blows the big CRT out of the water in sheer full screen lumens, and after a good calibration It was clear that digital projectors have advanced to a point
that CRT is no longer the gold standard for Home theater. I used Avatar to flip back and forth between the big CRT beast and the Epson. The difference in image
quality is a non issue, the Epson has more POP in bright scenes, and above all...... it's Quiet! Soooo Quiet..... In many ways it out-performed the CRT.
Black levels are VERY good, and I'm still using a near 3gain Silverstar 110" screen from the CRT. So it can get better yet with a normal screen.
I have no complaints.

I think, and that's only my own opinion, the Epson 8700ub is a great bargain for an EX-CRT guy. For a bit more, there are a few other great choices, hands down.
But for $1500 or less, the 8700ub is a serious contender still worth consideration. And there IS that 2 year warranty.

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With all due respect to Tinman I'd advise against an LCD projector. See and judge for yourself: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1434826/sony-hw50-benq-w7000-epson-5020-jvc-rs55-jvc-rs-46-jvc-rs4810-jvc-rs56-mini-shootout-2012-2013/690#post_22567371
Remember, 5020 is a top of the line LCD projector.
LCoS projectors doesn't display such problems. They have higher pixel fill and higher contrast and provides for a better alternative for a CRT projector, in my opinion.
You should consider Mitsubishi HC5 too, Tinman wink.gif
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Pixel fill isn't always the most important feature a person might be trying to get out of a pj, but considered depending on viewing environment/preferences. If better overall brightness/blacks, 3d performance and/or price are more important, then lcd can compete.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1391476/coderguys-top-projector-picks#post_21585369
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1434826/sony-hw50-benq-w7000-epson-5020-jvc-rs55-jvc-rs-46-jvc-rs4810-jvc-rs56-mini-shootout-2012-2013/2640#post_22758111
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I sold my Runco 990 (Black NEC PG10) last year, that's a 9" CRT projector for those not familiar with them..
Yea, I remember Runco's were the top line projector.
Based on what I've read thus far, the Epson sounds fantastic. I appreciate the suggestion. So this is an LCD projector, right?
You are happy with the blacks?

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Yea, I remember Runco's were the top line projector.
Based on what I've read thus far, the Epson sounds fantastic. I appreciate the suggestion. So this is an LCD projector, right?
You are happy with the blacks?

I'm very happy with the blacks! This was the PRIMARY reason I opted for the Epson. As far as pixel fill..... sorry, can't see ANY pixels at a normal viewing distance. No screendoor effect unless you stand
close to the screen. At 1920X1080 it's NOTHING like the 720 projectors were.

I did try a DLP as well, and yes, standing at the screen there is quite a difference. Sitting in my massaging recliner.... nope! smile.gif

Again, my reasons for the Epson in the order of priorities:

Black level - It's damn good! I used to run the CRT a bit higher as well to avoid loosing the fine detail at near black. The Epson is still much darker than film and only a hair brighter than I ran the CRT. But remember, I'm blasting it into a near 2.5 gain screen!! eek.gif

Image artifacts - I am sensitive to rainbows, so DLP is out. LCD and LCOS were the only contenders, with LCD winning on price.

Cost - Hey! $1500 shipped! Remember, this is an INTERIM projector until the LED or LASER tech is available. Why dump a lot of cash into something I'll replace in as little as 2 - 3 years?

Warranty - 2 years, inclusive the bulb! And no hassles like most other companies.

Features - 3D not needed.

Noise - Non issue. Most digitals are very quiet now, but the CRT was a jet engine in comparison.

As to the Mitsubishi HC5, I just didn't want to spend that much. The goal was to sell my big projector and hopefully break even on the new one. I did that. No money spent.
The NEXT projector will have to be LED or Laser. Budget on that will be far more negotiable.

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i'm thinking that dlp is still a really good option for an x crt'er...provided that rainbows aren't a problem for you.

in fact...there is an infocus 777 on ebay right now...a 3 chip dlp which has a ton of lumens(and no rainbows)...it would be really nice on that screen. high contrast, very natural image...

If it were a bit cheaper, I'd be all over it!
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i'm thinking that dlp is still a really good option for an x crt'er...provided that rainbows aren't a problem for you.

in fact...there is an infocus 777 on ebay right now...a 3 chip dlp which has a ton of lumens(and no rainbows)...it would be really nice on that screen. high contrast, very natural image...

If it were a bit cheaper, I'd be all over it!

Yeah, I agree. I liked the color and image in general from DLP. When running an A/B against my CRT, the DLP was damn near identical after carefully adjusting it. That is great, IF you don't get a headache
from color wheel flicker. Mine had a 6 speed wheel, and it still bothered me too often. For those that it doesn't, DLP is probably a better choice for overall image quality.

3 chip? Well, that's a no brainer.

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