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post #271 of 661 Old 07-07-2013, 12:54 AM
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Firmware 1.03 adds a bunch of new 3D modes:

http://www18.zippyshare.com/v/35040164/file.html

*disclaimer I provide no liability in using this firmware, I just know it's equivalent to the 1.06 one for the w1070
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I am about to pull the trigger on the w1080st or the w1070 and I had a few questions for you guys who own the w1080st. By the way, this seems to be the "official" thread for the w1080st, as the other ones are pretty silent. smile.gif

A quick little back story. Today I returned a Optoma GT750 projector to Best Buy that I have had for about 3 weeks. It was a nice projector, but the 720p image was killing me (had it at 140 inches sitting about 10-11 feet away) and I was having some discoloration issues and uneven focus issues that I couldn't resolve. Instead of just getting a replacement I decided to try to find a 1080p short throw projector that was around the same price.

Please note that I originally got the GT750 because I am a gamer and I loved how it had very low to zero input lag and also did native 120Hz 2D gaming for smooth sexy motion. I do both PC and console gaming and input lag is somewhat of a big deal to me. My GT750 was to be used for about 60% gaming and 40% Movies/TV and my next projector will be the same. Also 3D is not a big deal to me, it's just extra fluff to an already cool piece of hardware.

Anyhow here are my questions about the w1080st:

1) Can you hook up a PC to the w1080st via HDMI? I saw the PC Mag review earlier today and also saw it mentioned in this thread where the reviewer could not get his PC to work on the w1080st via HDMI and had to use VGA, yet HDMI did work on the w1070. Is this true or just a bad review? If I have to use VGA then I don't want the w1080st for sure!

2) If you can hook a PC up to the w1080st via HDMI, can it do 2D gaming in 120Hz? I don't care about 3D, I am referring to 2D. Also if so, can it do 2D gaming in 120Hz in 1080p? Or does it have to be in 720p to do 120Hz 2D gaming?

3) Is the picture quality of the w1080st the same as the w1070? I would think because short throw was put in, then there has to be some sort of disadvantage to the w1080st compared to the w1070.

4) Are there serious uneven brightness and uneven focus problems with the w1080st? I had uneven focus on the GT750 and it was one of the main reasons I returned it. I saw some people saying that if you don't use zoom then the focus is fine throughout the whole screen.

5) Now about input lag. I have heard this has about 20-35ms of input lag. Do any of you do any FPS gaming with a mouse and keyboard? If so, have you noticed that weird "floaty" feeling when you have input lag?

Thanks in advance! smile.gif
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I just got mine mounted tonight and I can only answer #4. No uneven focus and no uneven brightness. Not sure which way is zoomed, but I have mine to where if I move the zoom it gets bigger.
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Projectorreviews.com has a review of the w1080st.
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I am about to pull the trigger on the w1080st or the w1070 and I had a few questions for you guys who own the w1080st. By the way, this seems to be the "official" thread for the w1080st, as the other ones are pretty silent. smile.gif

A quick little back story. Today I returned a Optoma GT750 projector to Best Buy that I have had for about 3 weeks. It was a nice projector, but the 720p image was killing me (had it at 140 inches sitting about 10-11 feet away) and I was having some discoloration issues and uneven focus issues that I couldn't resolve. Instead of just getting a replacement I decided to try to find a 1080p short throw projector that was around the same price.

Please note that I originally got the GT750 because I am a gamer and I loved how it had very low to zero input lag and also did native 120Hz 2D gaming for smooth sexy motion. I do both PC and console gaming and input lag is somewhat of a big deal to me. My GT750 was to be used for about 60% gaming and 40% Movies/TV and my next projector will be the same. Also 3D is not a big deal to me, it's just extra fluff to an already cool piece of hardware.

Anyhow here are my questions about the w1080st:

1) Can you hook up a PC to the w1080st via HDMI? I saw the PC Mag review earlier today and also saw it mentioned in this thread where the reviewer could not get his PC to work on the w1080st via HDMI and had to use VGA, yet HDMI did work on the w1070. Is this true or just a bad review? If I have to use VGA then I don't want the w1080st for sure!

2) If you can hook a PC up to the w1080st via HDMI, can it do 2D gaming in 120Hz? I don't care about 3D, I am referring to 2D. Also if so, can it do 2D gaming in 120Hz in 1080p? Or does it have to be in 720p to do 120Hz 2D gaming?

3) Is the picture quality of the w1080st the same as the w1070? I would think because short throw was put in, then there has to be some sort of disadvantage to the w1080st compared to the w1070.

4) Are there serious uneven brightness and uneven focus problems with the w1080st? I had uneven focus on the GT750 and it was one of the main reasons I returned it. I saw some people saying that if you don't use zoom then the focus is fine throughout the whole screen.

5) Now about input lag. I have heard this has about 20-35ms of input lag. Do any of you do any FPS gaming with a mouse and keyboard? If so, have you noticed that weird "floaty" feeling when you have input lag?

Thanks in advance! smile.gif

#1 I hooked up my laptop directly to the projector and watched a BR movie, no issues there.
#2 no idea smile.gif
#3 love PQ on 1080, never saw 1070
#4 have not seen any unevenness or any other problems.
#5 only played Fallout 3 on PS3, nothing unusual to report.
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I just got mine mounted tonight and I can only answer #4. No uneven focus and no uneven brightness. Not sure which way is zoomed, but I have mine to where if I move the zoom it gets bigger.
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#1 I hooked up my laptop directly to the projector and watched a BR movie, no issues there.
#2 no idea smile.gif
#3 love PQ on 1080, never saw 1070
#4 have not seen any unevenness or any other problems.
#5 only played Fallout 3 on PS3, nothing unusual to report.

Cool thanks for the info fellas.

Dimitriz, related to #1 where you said: "I hooked up my laptop directly to the projector and watched a BR movie, no issues there."

I am guessing this was via HDMI correct?
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Cool thanks for the info fellas.

Dimitriz, related to #1 where you said: "I hooked up my laptop directly to the projector and watched a BR movie, no issues there."

I am guessing this was via HDMI correct?

and you thought my eyes would tolerate a VGA output on a 135" screen? wink.gif noooooo sir. smile.gif HDMI output was used.
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Hello guys (First must say sry for my english *__- )
so i always wanted to buy an projector... few days ago i find out about BenQ W1080ST and i wish to buy it.. but first must know the detailed info about it...
so i will ask some questions..
1)Can i watch 3D Movies or play 3D Games while using PC (VGA) as source?Can i do it by using NVIDIA 3D and NVIDIA 120HZ glasses? And can i watch 3rd while in 1080p?
2)Is it true that i must buy 144hz glasses while watching 3d or play 3d via PS3 as a source?
3)Can i watch 1080p movie or game while source is not 1080p compatible but hdmi compatible 720p (lets say it will be a cheap notebook) or a phone...
4)What i must know before buying it ?
5)What is the best screen to use?

i will buy it for 939 euro ( found it on 4 shops , one have it for 1100 euro, other for 1009 third for 982 and last one for 939... ) so its a big money punch for me... so i must be not disappointed..
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and you thought my eyes would tolerate a VGA output on a 135" screen? wink.gif noooooo sir. smile.gif HDMI output was used.

Haha! Cool thanks!
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Anyhow here are my questions about the w1080st:

1) Can you hook up a PC to the w1080st via HDMI? I saw the PC Mag review earlier today and also saw it mentioned in this thread where the reviewer could not get his PC to work on the w1080st via HDMI and had to use VGA, yet HDMI did work on the w1070. Is this true or just a bad review? If I have to use VGA then I don't want the w1080st for sure!

2) If you can hook a PC up to the w1080st via HDMI, can it do 2D gaming in 120Hz? I don't care about 3D, I am referring to 2D. Also if so, can it do 2D gaming in 120Hz in 1080p? Or does it have to be in 720p to do 120Hz 2D gaming?

3) Is the picture quality of the w1080st the same as the w1070? I would think because short throw was put in, then there has to be some sort of disadvantage to the w1080st compared to the w1070.

4) Are there serious uneven brightness and uneven focus problems with the w1080st? I had uneven focus on the GT750 and it was one of the main reasons I returned it. I saw some people saying that if you don't use zoom then the focus is fine throughout the whole screen.

5) Now about input lag. I have heard this has about 20-35ms of input lag. Do any of you do any FPS gaming with a mouse and keyboard? If so, have you noticed that weird "floaty" feeling when you have input lag?

I don't have (YET!) the Benq w1080st but I'm using an Optoma GT720. However in my opinion:

1) It's a bad review. The HDMI with the PC should work perfectly.

2) I checked the manual and I think that the max resolution @120hz is 720p (1280x720). 1920x1080 should be @60hz

3) should be about the same.

4) I had a lot focus issue with the GT720 (same of GT750).. but after hours of test I discovered that the real problem was the position. with the short throw if the geometry is not absolutely perfect the focus can't be uniform too. A few millimeters of VPR shift really changes the image. However I understood that is better don't use the VPR zoom with the W1080st....

5) check the lag of the 1070.. is the same: http://www.projectorreviews.com/game-projector-blog/review-benq-w1070.html
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Hello guys (First my say sry for my english *__- )
so i always wanted to buy an projector... few days ago i find out about BenQ W1080ST and i wish to buy it.. but first must know the detailed info about it...
so i will ask some questions..
1)Can i watch 3D Movies or play 3D Games while using PC (VGA) as source?Can i do it by using NVIDIA 3D and NVIDIA 120HZ glasses? And can i watch 3rd while in 1080p?
2)Is it true that i must buy 144hz glasses while watching 3d or play 3d via PS3 as a source?
3)Can i watch 1080p movie or game while source is not hd compatible (lets say it will be a cheap notebook)
1) the manual says yes, 1280x720 is supported with the frame sequential @120hz.witht he PC input.
2) good question!!! In theory yes, 144hz are mandatory... but I'm curious to try with the 120hz glasses with the PC as source with frame sequential.
3) the manual says that you have to use the HDMI to use it at 1080p. So your PC must have in this case at least a DVI output to use the full resolution. However you can watch and use 1080P HD material with the 1280x720 resolution. Have in mind that a Blu-ray disc or a H264 video file require a good hardware to play it properly and fluid!!
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djufuk87,
I actually plan to use my PC as the source ( i7-2600,GTX560,4GBRAM) +NVIDIA glasses/emmiter/BENQ XL2410T monitor.
So can i use my NVIDIA Glasses for 3rd? or i must buy 144hz glasses?
Also at first i wont have the screen for it, will it look rly bad if it will project on the light blue wall?
+ What are the difference between 1070 and 1080st ?
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I can answer a couple of those wink.gif
The 1070 is almost identical, but does not have the "short throw" lens. This makes it possible to position the projector much closer to the screen surface, but costs more and also means you lose the "lens shift" capabilities of the 1070, so you basically have to get the physical positioning of the projector and screen just right.
Projecting on even a white wall isn't great, as you'll get a darker image than projecting on an actual screen.
On a blue wall, you will get messed up colors and it probably will just not look good at all.
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Benq says that this VPR is just NVidia 3D TVplay compatible.. so I think that you have to use the BENQ 144hz glasses.
I bought cheap Sainsonic 144hz 3d glasses and are not very good (i tested them with my optoma GT720 @120hz) but I will use them to perform more tests.

You can use the wall instead the screen.... but not a blu wall!!!! Must be white!! With a blu wall you will loose the color fidelity.

The W1070 and W1080st are the same VPR.. but the w1080 is i Short Throw (big image with short distance).

I want to buy this VPR in these days... but I have only one dubt.. The black level!!!
I'm worried about these photos:







I know that for 1000 bucks I can't have a very good blacks.... and I know that this is the only FULL-HD Short Throw VPR on the market..
But these image are depressing! I know that they are the worse photo of this VPR.. but they exist! biggrin.gif

@W1080st owners: How is really the black level?? Is a dark gray or can be defined black? Because I want to change the Optoma GT720 for this reason... Actually if I watch a dark film like batman or Resident Evil the result is terrible!!
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Benq says that this VPR is just NVidia 3D TVplay compatible.. so I think that you have to use the BENQ 144hz glasses.
I bought cheap Sainsonic 144hz 3d glasses and are not very good (i tested them with my optoma GT720 @120hz) but I will use them to perform more tests.

You can use the wall instead the screen.... but not a blu wall!!!! Must be white!! With a blu wall you will loose the color fidelity.

The W1070 and W1080st are the same VPR.. but the w1080 is i Short Throw (big image with short distance).

I want to buy this VPR in these days... but I have only one dubt.. The black level!!!
I'm worried about these photos.......

I know that for 1000 bucks I can't have a very good blacks.... and I know that this is the only FULL-HD Short Throw VPR on the market..
But these image are depressing! I know that they are the worse photo of this VPR.. but they exist! biggrin.gif

@W1080st owners: How is really the black level?? Is a dark gray or can be defined black? Because I want to change the Optoma GT720 for this reason... Actually if I watch a dark film like batman or Resident Evil the result is terrible!!

Black level is decent, you might even say good, but not great. But better than the Epson 3020 from what I read. And considering the 3020 claims more lumens, according to projectorreviews.com the calibrated lumens are much, much lower than that of the Benq 1080st. I was initially going to get a 3020 for more 3D brightness, and I'm so glad I didn't since that's not actually true in all practicality

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And finaly what is better to take ? 1070 or 1080st ?
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It depend just by two things:

1) Your screen dimension
2) the distance between the VPR and the screen

In my case I have a 146" screen and the VPR can be maximum at 2.5m of distance... so I have to buy the W1080ST. If your room is big enough you can buy also the W1070.
Check what VPR is the best for you here:

http://www.projectorcentral.com/projection-calculator-pro.cfm

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ps: the Benq W1080st is the only VPR FULL HD and short throw on the market... so if you need the short throw you don't have choice (like me). However the dubt is... is better to wait the Optoma (and other brands) solution or buy the W1080st now??
We don't know at the moment WHEN optoma and all the others will have a FULL HD short throw VPR.. but someone say "soon". Soon probably is 2014 for them... But if the optoma VPR can have a better black level and the 3D compatible @120hz maybe is better to wait. But nobody know these informations!!
Actually I have just two 3D dlp glasses @120hz... so buy two BENQ 3D glasses @144hz is not a big expense. The black level on this W1080st is good. it's not great but at least is good.. (however much better on my GT720).
I think that I will buy the BENQ W1080st tomorrow... and my next VPR will be 4K.. maybe in the 2015-2016 (I say it but I changed 3 VPR in two years!!! biggrin.gif )
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Thanks for help guys, will also buy 1080ST On monday smile.gif
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Anyone brave enough to update with the 1.03 firmware (RLBURNSIDE posted earlier?
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Well I just pulled the trigger on a new w1080st!

I ended up paying a total of $1070 USD for it, including the expedited shipping and state sales tax.

It is suppose to arrive on Tuesday or Wednesday and I have 60 days to return it for a full refund if there are any problems. Fingers crossed that I like this better than the Optoma GT750 that I just returned. smile.gif

I will keep everyone posted and maybe post some pics of it in action.
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I may try it out, since I'm already going to have to be courageous when cleaning out my unit later today
What is actually involved in flashing firmware on this device? I'm assuming I'll have to hook it up via USB to my computer, sort out drivers for it, run use some weird BenQ software to flash?
And this is a "you flash it, your warranty is done" type of thing as well?
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There are precise instructions in the w1070 thread. I upgraded mine a couple nights ago, worked fine.

The only real things you need to have are a) the firmware, b) the DLP software to install it, c) a USB to mini B (male) cable, and d) a spare LCD monitor as the projector has to be turned off and back on while doing the update

Basically you install the software, then copy a .txt file into its install dir, tell is where your firmware file is, change a couple checkboxes (see the instructions) then you click Flash and in settings load the USB driver (it doesn't actually pop up in the bottom right, but it will show some acknowledgement of being connected)

Then once your USB driver is loaded, you turn off the PJ, leaving the USB cable in, and turn it back on while holding down the power and auto buttons simultaneously until it starts in Red light mode (not flashing), and not Orange mode. I had to try a couple times to get it to stick and have the Red light stay on. Then you click Reset Bus in the firmware update tool on your pc, then download button, then after it finishes and ends up with the Orange light on (5 minutes later), you just restart it, go into the menu, reset the settings in one of the menu options, then restart it again

Simple, eh? hehe. once you do it once you'll find it no trouble, but it was a little sketchy at first. I didn't bother writing down my old settings, didn't care to.
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Any deets on what specific stuff is added? All I have heard about it is "more 3D modes", but I don't know what (if any) real benefit that is to me. I'm assuming the projector will still only do 3D on 1080i & 720P signals, and not on 1080P? I'm all for updates and stuff but I dunno if its worth the effort. Pretty much all my 3D stuff is HSBS format, which works at the lower resolutions. I DO have an Nvidia card, but I haven't done any 3D stuff with it, mostly cuz I don't wanna pay for their BS extra software.
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Why is this new firmware not available anywhere on the BenQ website?

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The major improvement on the 1.06 firmware for the 1070 is more 3D modes and improved and faster HDMI hand shake. And yes it now supports both SBS and OU in 1080p/60. You no longer need to switch screen refresh rate or suffer from the inferior 720p. It is 1080p/60hz all the way. These 2 are pretty decent enhancement and it worth every bit to void the warrranty, well, to me at least smile.gif

And I feel the fan is now marginally quieter, maybe just placebo effect.

I presume the 1.03 on 1080 would provide the same improvement.

I consider myself brave, but not brave enough to be the first guinea pig. But fortunately there are braver people over there in the 1070 camp. So I'm quite comfortable to be the 3rd or 4th guinea pig.

But be warned, I almost had a heart attack after I've done something silly and feared I might have bricked it... Did it again, prayed for the whole 10 minutes, no problems. So this sort of thing is not for the faint hearted...
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Well, my attempt to clean my projector resulted in it not working anymore frown.gif
Its booting up to a blinking red Lamp indicator, with the fans blowing as hard as possible.
Also it won't turn on anymore frown.gif
If I could do 1080P SBS I would be soooooooooooooooooooo down, so I would have flashed that firmware in a heartbeat frown.gif
Gonna talk to BenQ about servicing my unit, but its really exciting to know the W1080ST and W1070 have actual "full 3D HD" capabilities now!
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Guys how i can connect it to DVI if there is no DVI Input ?
http://www.benq.com/images/hq/products/product_features/pjt/hdmi2_w1080st.jpg
atleast i dont see it ?
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Yes, but you have to use a DVI -> Hdmi adapter and an HDMI cable.
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Hi To all.... I'm officialy into the club from now!! I bought the Benq W1080st at 928€ and I should receive it the next week.. probably wednesday...

I'm an idiot because yesterday I found this VPR online at 840€ and I preferred to wait today... and this morning was not available anymore and the price is changed to 900€.
So I bought it to 928€ from the only shop (that sell it under 1000€...) that have it in stock ready for shipment.
I really feel like an idiot for having thrown in the toilet 90€... I just hope to be happy with this VPR.
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djufuk87 , glad for you smile.gif
I have GTX 560 It has MINI-Hdmi can i somehow use it? becouse dont want to buy adapter....
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Does anyone know if it's possible to have Benq perform the firmware upgrade? I'm not that far away from their US HQ...

And for those doing it yourself, can anyone confirm a successful 1.03 flash (and from what version) using the instructions in the W1070 thread (does the device parameters file need to be altered for the W1080ST?)
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