I know this has been asked a lot, I’ve read most of the posts. I bought the 8700ub with a 1.1 gain screen. I set it up and was very disappointed. Old setup, a 7 year old 720 Epson (Home Cinema 400) with a Winter Mt. painted screen. Room is light controlled, ceiling mount 11’6” from screen, seating 10’. I tried many setup calibrations, my own and many posted here. The BluRay image was flat, the blacks looked good in the upper and lower bars but the detail in the shadows was HORRIBLE. While playing PS3 games you couldn’t read the names on jerseys etc. Viewing is 65 percent BluRay or Vudu, 20 Directv, 15 games. Did I get a dud or would the 5010 perform better for shadows and PS3? I sent the 8700 back and have the option of another 8700 or another projector. If not the 5010 what might be better. It would have to have lens shift, no DLP, doesn’t have to be 3D, under $2100 and I like my blacks with detail.