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I am VERY close to pulling the trigger on an Optoma ML500 LED projector. From the reviews, it's pretty good and handles 720p relatively okay. It will mainly be used for xbox/ps3 gaming, netflix, and internet browsing/youtube. I guess 720p is good enough for me but would love for a 1080p projector.

I will be a first-timer in the arena of projectors and I really don't know what to look for. However, do know one thing, it needs to be LED! I love the fact that you will never have to replace bulbs which cost on average $300 every few years.

As for sound, my basic stereo receiver with two large tower speakers is fine for me.

This will be for my basement (dark room) and will not be moved. I am planning for at least a 110" diagonal white cloth screen.

Also, I really don't care for 3d.

My concern is, are there any anticipated releases for budget 1080p LED projectors for 2013? I would really feel like crap buying the 720p Optoma ML500 only for a 1080p model to release soon after. I don't plan on going over $1000 either. I don't need anything extravagant or high professional. As long as it projects good picture, I will be happy.

An aside, it's crazy how much of a price difference there is between a 720p LED vs a 1080p LED! The Optoma LED ML500 I can find all-day for $500. The next step up from there would be the Viewsonic Pro9000 1080p LED project at a whopping $3000! I don't get it.


If you know of any news, please post it here. I would like to setup my basement theater hopefully soon.

Thanks. I hope my first post isn't too alienating.
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I'm not that happy with LG PA70G ( PC gaming ) on 90"
but movies are acceptable !!

I mean you will not get the gaming experience with 720p .. and i was about to pull the trigger on W1070 !!

all i know on the way Optima HD91 - 1080p LED coming out this September
with Image interpolation which is really useful for gaming and some facts lagging and RBE and. .. etc to be concerned
nothing talks about the price yet .... and i'm keeping an eye on it, unless something better comes out that time !!
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I'm not that happy with LG PA70G ( PC gaming ) on 90"
but movies are acceptable !!

I mean you will not get the gaming experience with 720p .. and i was about to pull the trigger on W1070 !!

all i know on the way Optima HD91 - 1080p LED coming out this September
with Image interpolation which is really useful for gaming and some facts lagging and RBE and. .. etc to be concerned
nothing talks about the price yet .... and i'm keeping an eye on it, unless something better comes out that time !!
Image interpolation is the opposite of useful for gaming.
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Image interpolation is the opposite of useful for gaming.
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Theoretically frame interpolation should enchance the impression of movies or video games,
practically we would recommend to experience this in reallity before making a decision.

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It will be years before you see a 1080p led projector for under $1000. If your looking for 1000+ than check these out.

Heck, I was at xyz store the other day and saw a 70" vizio for $1400, thats crazy. But for projectors I don't see anything cheap anytime soon, that LG laser hecto projector is said to go for 8-10k.
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An aside, it's crazy how much of a price difference there is between a 720p LED vs a 1080p LED! The Optoma LED ML500 I can find all-day for $500. The next step up from there would be the Viewsonic Pro9000 1080p LED project at a whopping $3000! I don't get it.

Another 1080p LED is the Acer K750. It is priced anywhere from $1599 to $1799 over at newegg. Info on the unit is scarce - heck the K750 doesn't even appear on Acer's US website!

I'm hoping projectorreviews.com or another US site will review it and make a comparison to the Viewsonic. (or even the LG PA70g)

There is a dedicated AVS thread here - Acer K750 LED/Laser.

Oddly enough, the Viewsonic Pro9000 thread also has some good info on the Acer, particular on contrast measurements.
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you can look for Kraine reviews on both K750 and pro9000
and most reviewers ( google ) stated the price vs quality is not a deal
sharpness
no 3D
....etc

I mean alot of features are missing with the high price tag on both at their released date !!
now k750 going down to $1600 range .. but still its not worth it ( IMO )

and here Kraine impression about HD91
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Jasperdisplay has a 1080p LED LCOS projector solution out out now...It's just a matter of time now until we see it hit the market...the big question is at what price and when? I suspect the price will be at least one thousand and up..It will likely be affordable...
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any updates on 1080p LED's???
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I've got an Acer K330, similar to the ML500. We should have been at 1080P at least 2 years ago but still don't hold your breath. They want to give 720P another coupla years, I think. Anyway, the 720P--12 by 8, actually-- will make you happy, even maybe give up on 1080P. The smaller 300 lumen versions are likely an even better deal. I have a k11--8 by 6-- that I use for my film club down south in the winter. It's a great success, pixels are so tight there's no SDE.What's mainly noticeable is that faces way in the background are less sharp than with the K330 but I'm the only one who notices.
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I don't know much about it, and it's wxga but it looks interesting anyway: http://www.visionhd.ca/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=35&products_id=150

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If anyone who knows anything about this subject matter can please chime in. I currently have an Optoma 720p DLP projector that's life is coming to an end soon. I have been waiting for a 1080p, decent lumen, decent short throw, LED projector that is sub $1000 for years! I'd be willing to pay $1500 at this point. I don't know how this isn't out yet. I caved in a few years ago and bought an LG (almost) 720p with 300 lumens and was very disappointed and returned it. Is LED still the "wave of the future" with projectors?
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It took a few years for decent bulb dlp/lcd pj to reach the $1k price range, I suspect 3-4 years for an equivalent led that is nice to watch, as the led hybrids are just starting to come out now.
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You said less sharp than with the K330 ? is this comparing it with 1080P or with the Optoma ML500 ?
So what your are saying is that 1280 X 800 is good enough and some people would be happy with it ?
I currently have the LG HX300 with 1024 x 768 so that would be a upgrade from that and it's about 2000:1 contrast with only 300 Lumens.
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It took a few years for decent bulb dlp/lcd pj to reach the $1k price range, I suspect 3-4 years for an equivalent led that is nice to watch, as the led hybrids are just starting to come out now.

agree. the lampless projectors being made right now all seem to be business projectors. I suspect it'll be a few years before they reduce black levels to an acceptable level for theatre use.

and in all honesty, I still don't think dlp/lcd pj under a grand are THAT good. you will have to make some compromise at that price point

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Unless LG wows us this year we might not see any 1080P resolution LED this year other than the Acer K750 or Viewsonic Pro9000 and Panasonic PT RZ470.
The only one out of that that is 1080P and that can do 3-D is the Panasonic.
Now if 3-D is not for you then the Acer K750 on Newegg is around $ 900 and I have seen the Viewsonic Pro9000 I think on Amazon for around $ 1,800.
Those are the 3 that are LED Hybred.
No new 1080P LED projectors this year that can also do 3-D are a affordible price.
Now what is coming out this year in a few weeks are the Acer K335 at 1000 Lumens 15,000:1 contrast, 3-D with no external conversion box.
It is rumored that the Vivitek Qumi 7 might have a glass lens, and it's confirmed that it has a zoom lens.
The Qumi 7 is 800 Lumens.
But all those 720P or at least most of those 720P pipco projectors have the what you call diamond shaped pixel.
They had to turn the DMD micro mirrors in those pipco projectors to slim them down and at the same time be able to angle the light for them to work at a 45 % angle.
The problems with those diamond shaped pixels are not the DMDs micro mirrors but with the mathmatical algorithm convertiing it from square pixel source material to the 45 % angle pixels.
The resolution with these diamond shaped pixels is just as good at the square shaped pixels but the problems are in the transition from square shaped pixel source materal to the diamond shaped pixels.
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I'm just curious. Are LED models like the Optoma ML500 or Acer K750 fine for watching sports like football? I have a nice, affordable Optoma HD66 (720P) that I usually only use during the fall for some of the games. I might watch even more football on the projector if I weren't so cheap and concerned about the life of the bulb:)
On a more related topic I too have been waiting to see when an affordable and well reviewed 1080p LED model shows up.
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I'm just curious. Are LED models like the Optoma ML500 or Acer K750 fine for watching sports like football? I have a nice, affordable Optoma HD66 (720P) that I usually only use during the fall for some of the games. I might watch even more football on the projector if I weren't so cheap and concerned about the life of the bulb:)
On a more related topic I too have been waiting to see when an affordable and well reviewed 1080p LED model shows up.

I have used my LG LA70G LED Projector to watch sports (mainly basketball so far) and it has been great in a light controlled room. Really impressed with it smile.gif
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Has anyone seen the new Optoma ML550? Its WXGA 1280x800 native, and 500 Lumens. http://www.optomausa.com/products/detail/ML550
I was looking at the pico projectors earlier this year and after calling optoma decided to wait for the new line of LEDs coming in June. I've yet to find a review on it or even anyone whos had any experience with it yet. Plan on using it mainly for Movies with my laptop and maybe some gaming.
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I have used my LG LA70G LED Projector to watch sports (mainly basketball so far) and it has been great in a light controlled room. Really impressed with it smile.gif

Thanks for the info. I have a high gain screen that might make up for some of the difference in brightness between and LED and the Optoma. In my situation, even with my best efforts there will always be some light in the room.
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Elite Screens are making led projectors, can't really find any reviews. Also came across this 3M MP300 LCOS led Projector, also can't find much info. ML1000 LED from Optoma says 1000 lumens and the Boxi MP-350 is new.
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I have the ML500 in my basement. It will do 1080p. I have mine set for it and it works just fine. Am I getting a 5000 dollar image out of it? No but I paid 500 so why would I. I am running my xbox, PS3, Wii with HDMI adapter and HTPC through it. Everything runs through my Onkyo SR608 for HDMI switching and one cord out to the projector. I can leave a light on downstairs to see my way around and it is still very watchable. Everyone in the family loves watching movies on it and I enjoy playing Xbox on it alot as well. I am shooting it on to a 125" motorized screen I got from amazon. it is an Elite Screens Max White 1.1 gain. In a pitch black room it is pretty amazing and I have no complaints with it.

I would look at the new ML550 as well but for 500 bucks you can't beat the enjoyment without breaking the bank. Also Not having to worry about bulbs going kaput. I have had it for over a year now and it has performed flawlessly. I have even taken it with me on trips and used it with my laptop in hotel rooms. Hey if you have to be there why not enjoy an 80 inch screen to pass the time away before going back to work in the morning. If you have anymore questions let me know. I am not a huge audiofile or videophile. But I am a bit picky and I do enjoy using it without much issue.

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ML500 is only 720p native display........not full hd
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Some people (especially ebay sellers) think if the PJ can accept 1080p signal and display the image, then it is a 1080p PJ. I have even seen 640x480 PJ advertised as 1080p. For not too long you will see a 640x480 advertised as 4k PJ!
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yes I know it is native 720. But it will accept 1080p settings. I don't pretend to understand it I just know when I switched it I did bet more visible "real estate" on the HTPC and xbox. Probably "crushes" it down. But it is watchable and I am happy with it until a sub 1k 1080p led projector comes out.

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yes I know it is native 720. But it will accept 1080p settings. I don't pretend to understand it I just know when I switched it I did bet more visible "real estate" on the HTPC and xbox. Probably "crushes" it down. But it is watchable and I am happy with it until a sub 1k 1080p led projector comes out.

it won't be for everybody, but I can say for my own setup, there would be an advantage for a 720p projector to accept 1080p. for a few years I've had a 720p projector and 1080p plasma in the same room. with hdmi, I had to set everything to 720p or else nothing would work with the projector. I wasn't about to make that change on every source everytime, so I had to settle for a 720p signal going into my 1080p plasma for a long time before I finally upgraded to a 1080p projector.

at this point in time, i'd like an LED projector to run alongside my traditional projector. use the LED for casual viewing(TV, PC, some gaming, etc) and use the traditional projector like I do now, just for movies. so I could still enjoy a 720p LED projector and not care that it isn't 1080p as long as I could keep all more sources at 1080p for the 1080p projector. especially if it saves me hundreds on the LED projector!

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Anyone know where to grab an Acer K750? I can't find it anywhere, newegg shows it discontinued etc. as well. Or if not, any comparable 1080p LED projectors in that price range, either already released or coming soon?
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Anyone know where to grab an Acer K750? I can't find it anywhere, newegg shows it discontinued etc. as well. Or if not, any comparable 1080p LED projectors in that price range, either already released or coming soon?
wait for cedia - 1 month to go

read about Optoma HD91
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1455132/optoma-hd91-full-led-dlp-full-hd-2d-3d-ready-september-2013
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read about Optoma HD91
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1455132/optoma-hd91-full-led-dlp-full-hd-2d-3d-ready-september-2013

Nice... I'm guessing it will be rather expensive though, no? I.E. it won't be under $2k?
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Anybody heard any news on the Mits NF32u, was supposed to be released in July but cant get any solid info on it including price range.
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