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Is there a formula or info somewhere to get the exact/ or close throw range of the 1500?

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Found a review of it.


http://www.trustedreviews.com/benq-w1500_Projector_review


I can't believe that this reviewer did not realize that the problem with 3D was caused by glasses that do not support 144kz. The picture shown in the review are of the old discontinued glasses that do not support 144kz. It is amazing that this was not understood and caught before the review was published. If the reviewer missed this it becomes "An Untrusted Review." The reviewer also has no understanding of the reason for the fan noise change. The projector was switching to 3DFP and high lamp mode. He also never heard of the fact that 144kz used red flash which will be blocked by using the correct glasses. The funny thing is that in the review it is stated that the projector comes with a pair of 144kz glasses and wireless HDMI which was not tested. I am guessing that Benq did not ship the new glasses with the review projector.
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Surprised there's still so little info on this W1500 and despite the release dates that I've been reading about, apparently it's still not available!

kraine, can you please tell me what this has that the W1070 doesn't, besides Frame Interpolation (FI) and Wireless HD?

How do the black levels/shadow detail compare to the W1070 and how does the fan noise compare?

If I understood your previous answer correctly, I believe you said that the W1500 is even brighter than the W1070? Pretty impressive considering how bright the W1070 is.

Any other features that make the additional cost worth it?

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I am interested in the fan noise comparison also. The 1070 was borderline for me, with fan noise probably the worst feature... Hopefully the 1500 does better given the larger case, and maybe better light control (some people were complaining of light leakage on the 1070).

I just don't get it. Charge me another $100, make the case bigger and use some 120mm fans. Whisper quiet, with plenty or air flow, minimum difference in cost. I understand the need to keep it compact for business projectors, but these are HT skewed, so no one cares...

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So is this projector showing up any time soon?

I'm assuming it has DC3. But I'd love to know how it compares to the W7000

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So is this projector showing up any time soon?

I'm assuming it has DC3. But I'd love to know how it compares to the W7000

Should be available very soon in the USA. Projected image should be very similar to the W1070 but the W1500 has additional features. I would expect the new W7500 (due out in 2 to 3 months) to be a step up in such areas as contrast ratio (with dynamic iris) from the W1500.

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^ Thanks for the heads-up, Ron. That's just the information I've been waiting for. I have been wanting the W1070, but I need negative lens shift (projector is ceiling mounted slightly lower than the top of the screen) -- and the W7000 is still the only model with that capability. I will be anxiously awaiting additional information on what the W7500 is going to include.
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^ Thanks for the heads-up, Ron. That's just the information I've been waiting for. I have been wanting the W1070, but I need negative lens shift (projector is ceiling mounted slightly lower than the top of the screen) -- and the W7000 is still the only model with that capability. I will be anxiously awaiting additional information on what the W7500 is going to include.

Have you considered the Sharp XV-Z30000 (Review) that is now selling (street price) for about $2K. It has fully motorized lens zoom, focus and lens shift along with lens memory? It can be located below the top of the screen (where you say you need to locate it).

We may not get any more info on the upcoming BenQ W7500 for a couple of months.

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True. Zombie reminded me that the Sharp is the other DLP unit currently available for under 2k that allows for negative lens shift. I just wasn't as wowed by the Sharp as the BenQ units. I would suppose the Sharp is pretty close to EOL at this point, too.

I'm in no hurry, but the problems with the DI and the poor bulb life of the W7000 were the only drawbacks to that unit (from my perspective). The W1070 seemed to address both of those issues, so I'm hoping BenQ will incorporate some of that technology into the W7500.
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I'm in no hurry, but the problems with the DI and the poor bulb life of the W7000 were the only drawbacks to that unit (from my perspective).

What is DI roknrol?
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*** bump ***

So.... is this the most-delayed projector release of recent times, or what?

I'm going to speculate that BenQ is too busy making W1070s right now and is delaying this release until demand for the W1070 starts to wane. Just a guess. Or....

....could there be design issues? FI software? Or, maybe the optics need some more work (this thing is promoted with a larger throw ratio than the W1070)...????
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*** bump ***

So.... is this the most-delayed projector release of recent times, or what?

I'm going to speculate that BenQ is too busy making W1070s right now and is delaying this release until demand for the W1070 starts to wane. Just a guess. Or....

....could there be design issues? FI software? Or, maybe the optics need some more work (this thing is promoted with a larger throw ratio than the W1070)...????
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I saw a couple of unboxing's on youtube. None in English at the moment.
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/07/benq-ships-w1500-projector-with-wireless-3d/

BenQ ships W1500 projector with wireless 3D video

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Anyone know how the input lag is using the wireless HDMI?
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I'm trying to make sure I have this straight...If I want a 110" diagonal image I need to have have a throw distance between 109.6" and 142.5", correct? Seems like a relatively small zoom range compared to my current and previous projectors. My current Panny can throw a 100" image from 10'-20'. The W1500 appears to be limited to 100-130 INCHES! Or am I misreading the chart?

http://www.projectorcentral.com/pdf/projector_spec_7623.pdf

Anyone else have a W1500 yet? Hoping to see some screenshots and get some feedback from owners soon.
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Anyone know how the input lag is using the wireless HDMI?

Projector Central has its review up. Looks like input lag kills it for me if I really want to use a projector for gaming:

BenQ W1500 Home Theater Projector Review

"Input lag. Gamers concerned with quick response times need projectors with fast input lag numbers, which indicate that the image from the source reaches the screen as quickly as possible. The most demanding gamers want projectors with input lag of 33 milliseconds (2 frames) or below.

Unfortunately, the W1500 measured an average 66ms (4 frames) of input lag when fed a 2D 1080p input signal over HDMI. This is slower than several of its competitors and makes it a tough sell for gamers sensitive to input delay. WHDI increases this delay to 118ms (7 frames) on our test sample, so gamers who do opt for the W1500 will want to stick to wired transmission. Using features like frame interpolation will further delay processing, so it is wise to leave these features turned off when playing games. "
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Projector Central has its review up. Looks like input lag kills it for me if I really want to use a projector for gaming:

BenQ W1500 Home Theater Projector Review

"Input lag. Gamers concerned with quick response times need projectors with fast input lag numbers, which indicate that the image from the source reaches the screen as quickly as possible. The most demanding gamers want projectors with input lag of 33 milliseconds (2 frames) or below.

Unfortunately, the W1500 measured an average 66ms (4 frames) of input lag when fed a 2D 1080p input signal over HDMI. This is slower than several of its competitors and makes it a tough sell for gamers sensitive to input delay. WHDI increases this delay to 118ms (7 frames) on our test sample, so gamers who do opt for the W1500 will want to stick to wired transmission. Using features like frame interpolation will further delay processing, so it is wise to leave these features turned off when playing games. "

What a bummer. I was really excited about finally finding my next projector. But terrible input lag and a quirky wireless HD (with artifacts and macroblocking) sadly look to be a deal killer. frown.gif
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Is input lag something that can be addressed or improved via firmware?

Other than input lag, the review seemed to be mostly positive although I would like the review to have some opinion as to how it compares to other projectors. I'm quite interested in this projector but I'd like to get some sense as to how it compares as other than FI and WHDMI, there doesn't seem to be much else to justify the price difference

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Wow, looks like W1500 exceeds 1070 in almost every aspect (I'm not a gamer so input lag does not bother me).

Hope to see an image comaprison between the 2, but from Art's review it has better black. Wireless HDMI, FI, quiet fans, bigger zoom are all very welcome features. The lens also appear to be better quality. Focusing issue and loud fan is my biggest complaint on the 1070.

Although I only had my 1070 for a few month and quite like it, I already feel the itch to upgrade!
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I'm trying to make sure I have this straight...If I want a 110" diagonal image I need to have have a throw distance between 109.6" and 142.5", correct? Seems like a relatively small zoom range compared to my current and previous projectors. My current Panny can throw a 100" image from 10'-20'. The W1500 appears to be limited to 100-130 INCHES!

Or am I misreading the chart?
Yes, I believe you missed something.

Click over to the BenQ site and futz with their Projector Calculator. I did this (specifying the W1500), clicked in "110 inches diagonal" and got a Throw Range of 103" (min) to 164" (max). You have to reset the diagonal size to 110" when you drag the Throw slider from 1.0 to 1.6.

This flexibility in throw distance is important to me as I have two alternating placement setups for summer and winter. The W1070 can almost handle it, but the W1500 does it no problem.

Call me silly, but I love the SOE on my mom's LG LCD. Makes Bogart look like he's on the eleven o'clock news instead of being dead for fifty years. So I'd like to have FI, which puts me with either the Acer 9500 or this BenQ W1500.
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Is input lag something that can be addressed or improved via firmware?

Other than input lag, the review seemed to be mostly positive although I would like the review to have some opinion as to how it compares to other projectors. I'm quite interested in this projector but I'd like to get some sense as to how it compares as other than FI and WHDMI, there doesn't seem to be much else to justify the price difference

Good point. I'm interested.. but would absolutely use this to play COD and other console based games for around a 1000hours annually.

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Wow, looks like W1500 exceeds 1070 in almost every aspect (I'm not a gamer so input lag does not bother me).

Hope to see an image comaprison between the 2, but from Art's review it has better black. Wireless HDMI, FI, quiet fans, bigger zoom are all very welcome features. The lens also appear to be better quality. Focusing issue and loud fan is my biggest complaint on the 1070.

Although I only had my 1070 for a few month and quite like it, I already feel the itch to upgrade!

I'm in the exact opposite boat. While the 1500 betters the 1070 in every aspect but lag.. its something I cant get past.

And its a big enough negative, that it would be a deal breaker for me. frown.gif

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Everyone has their priorities I suppose, but for $600 I would like an improvement in picture quality over my W1070.
If the W1500 had improved contrast alone I would still hand BenQ money for the upgrade.

Considering, both the W1070 and W1500 have a contrast ratio of 10,000:1, any particular reason you are optimistic there will be a significant improvement in terms of contrast ratio? Other than FI, I wouldn't expect there to be much difference in the overall PQ but what we really need is for someone to do a comparison or shoot out, which for whatever reason wasn't done by the reviewer.

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In an ideal world, the 1500 should be 10% worse off in black levels, because, on paper, they have the same contrast ratio yet has 2200lumens.

But in real life after calibration you never get 10000:1, and many other factors will impact it. A side to side comparison is desirable.

Just out of interest, both use 240W lamp and DC3 chip, yet 1500 has 10% more lumens. So either they used a better lamp, or the lighting engine is improved (which hopefully can also improve blacks).
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I would be surprised if the "black levels" are very different. I'll take the extra lumens -- you can always dial them down.

The wireless feature is intriguing. Wonder how well it works through windows.

I have to marvel at the casual inclusion of Frame Interpolation these days. People were forking over thousands of dollars for Faroudja processors ten years ago to do stuff like this. The fringy video mags thought that the effect was cool back when you had to pay through the nose for it. Now that it's almost a throw-in commodity, it has devolved into the pejorative "Soap Opera Effect" -- or, even funnier, the perception that it makes movies look "too realistic." I'd expect that most of next year's projectors will offer it too.
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I have to marvel at the casual inclusion of Frame Interpolation these days. People were forking over thousands of dollars for Faroudja processors ten years ago to do stuff like this. The fringy video mags thought that the effect was cool back when you had to pay through the nose for it. Now that it's almost a throw-in commodity, it has devolved into the pejorative "Soap Opera Effect" -- or, even funnier, the perception that it makes movies look "too realistic." I'd expect that most of next year's projectors will offer it too.

This is the same way of thinking of the Darbee. It is basically an image sharpening and saturation tool, and in digital cameras, every single one has it, yet the better DSLRs apply less processing. Novice users prefer the image out of the digicams because they are more pop.

Of course I don't discount the value of Darbee. They have done an excellent job in video enhancement processing, and probably more than just simple sharpening and saturation. But is it worth the price? Not in my books. You're basically buying a software package. If a manufacturer bulk buy their license it should be as cheap as including the FI.
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So... Software should be free? Like Napster?

In any case, I suspect that many FI implementations do require an additional dedicated chip for processing.
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